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How High Are You? v. On a scale of 1 to Charlie Murphy

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4meSM said:
^It seems you have taken plenty of different kinds of alcohols, I'm just curious about how would you compare the high of said, isopropanol, to good ol' ethanol.
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Of the small-chained alcohols, I've taken ethanol (too many to count), isopropanol (>20 times), and tert-butanol (5 times). Isopropanol is shit. It has none of the euphoric or other rewarding effects of ethanol, and I really cannot tell why. It does get me sedated, somewhat more dreamy, but no near the level of happiness (or intoxication) ethanol does. For reference, I usually don't take more than 30 ml of isopropanol in an evening to avoid the horrid acetone-induced headache (beats the ethanol hangover easily). Even at that dose, you can smell acetone on your own breath from one hour onwards for at least 15 hours, which can be somewhat annoying. Other than that, there's no hangover associated with that kind of dose for me.

As for tert-butanol, well, that one was alright. I only did it like 5 times, but at doses exceeding 10 ml it did produce some euphoria, giddiness, sedation, comparable to benzos more than ethanol. It was cleaner than ethanol, I'll tell you that much. Well, for the first few hours anyway. One night I went overboard, and ingested something like 25 ml. That was fun, but led to a hangover similar (and pretty severe) to ethanol's, lasted the whole next day, and it was more debilitating than an ethanol hangover. After that, I've only done it once (8 ml), because it's a bitch to ingest. Worst of the three easily, even if you account for its lower-needed-amount-to-feel-effects. I might do more experimenting with it later, I just have to go get some more from the lab because I've run out. Another reason I haven't really done it after, is because I want to try 2-methyl-butan-2-ol instead, which is said to be even better (and lower amounts needed, easier to ingest), but we don't have it at the lab, so I'd have to order and that's a hassle.

Hope this answers your question. Tl;dr isopropanol is a waste of time IMO, tert-butanol has something going for it, needs further experimentation.

1,4-butanediol is a different game because it's a prodrug and isn't really active itself at used doses. Therefore, it has significantly different effects and kinetics. I haven't tried any other alcohols, although I've done plenty of other solvents (like THF).
 
SirTophamHat said:
Do you use a capping machine or do you cap by hand, 4brah? If you do it by hand, how many capsules does it take to fill a gram? How long would that take?

I think capping is the only option for kratom I could possibly have left. After toss and washing led to multiple pukes, I tried making it in a tea the last few times. Even though I was able to strain almost all of the sediment out, it still gave me a TON of nausea, more than other opiates at similar strength doses. Perhaps it's my imagination and my tolerance was just super low, though it really cast doubt on my ability to enjoy kratom anymore at all.

Kind of a shame since it seems to be the forum's favorite drug. Everyone's using it in lieu of stronger drugs (which is awesome IMO) or just does it because it's plentiful and cheap and feels great. Never tried extracts since from the beginning I heard they weren't worth it.

Why do you have to be so absolutely disgusting to ingest, kratom? Everything else about ya is great.

I am still feelin' the valium from last night. Today I went clothes/food shopping, repaired my boots, fixed a few other things around the house, in general was productive. A normal day for me consists mostly of staring at my walls.

Smoked pot too, cracked a pint of ice cold Surge, I'm all set.
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I don't know why you have so hard of a time taking kratom. How much were you taking? I used the toss&wash when I used it (before I found out it's illegal here *sigh*), and I took about 5 g max at a time (no tolerance) without any problems. Yeah it's kind of bitter and "dry-ish", but not really anything compared to other things I've taken by mouth. If you can cap it, then that'd be even more bueno.

Congrats on being productive. The day is just starting for me (7:50 AM), but I imagine it's not going to be very productive, but then again it's Sunday. Might wash my clothes (I do it manually these days, hell yeah bitch), and clean the apartment a little, but it's clean anyway so might as well not do it. I've always lived a minimalistic lifestyle, but ever since I started using codeine the way I do, I actually ran out of money to buy other stuff. I mean, I even save food money for codeine at times. It's sad, because I always used to have at least a thousand euro buffer money. Bleh.
 
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Yeah I don't think that kratom tastes that bad, either...to me it tastes like "the woods", kind of like mushrooms. Earthy "organic" taste...most of the issue is how dry the substance is. Toss and wash is my preferred method, as well. Haven't had any kratom since the end of July, though.

Most drugs don't taste very good, I've found. My DOCs used to be crystal meth & black tar heroin, both of which taste absolutely repulsive IMO. I've taken more zolpidem than even those drugs, though, hundreds and hundreds of tablets of the stuff, and that doesn't exactly taste great either, LOL. My primary love (cannabis) tastes divine, though...I like that weed potent enough that it feels like your mouth goes a little numb as you take that long initial drag on a doobie, hehe ;)=D Absolutely love the varied, rich & multilayered flavors of differing marijuana strains
 
Burnt Offerings said:
Yeah I don't think that kratom tastes that bad, either...to me it tastes like "the woods", kind of like mushrooms. Earthy "organic" taste...most of the issue is how dry the substance is. Toss and wash is my preferred method, as well. Haven't had any kratom since the end of July, though.

Most drugs don't taste very good, I've found. My DOCs used to be crystal meth & black tar heroin, both of which taste absolutely repulsive IMO. I've taken more zolpidem than even those drugs, though, hundreds and hundreds of tablets of the stuff, and that doesn't exactly taste great either, LOL. My primary love (cannabis) tastes divine, though...I like that weed potent enough that it feels like your mouth goes a little numb as you take that long initial drag on a doobie, hehe ;)=D Absolutely love the varied, rich & multilayered flavors of differing marijuana strains
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"The woods", or "woody" is how I would describe it as well.

You should try chewing a zopiclone tablet. That shit will give you nightmares.

Burnt Offerings said:
Reserving money normally used to feed oneself for opiates? Don't think that's ever happened before...
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Yeah, yeah, I know... I just feel like I'm not the typical junkie, and my DOC is definitely mild (even though it's really not, the WDs are something else). And I look like a respectable citizen! From the outside anyway.
 
drunky: can't explain it myself. always thought it smelled kinda "off." 5-10g was roughly my dose. meh. more incentive to procure ghb heh heh.

Burnty: yeah it's more the texture and smell that get to me, got a weird smell. the taste is fine enough, a little bitter is all. the only things i've ever tasted that were straight up nasty were 2Cs. I gave a chick a capped dose once and told her I capped it because it tastes nasty, then she dumped it out under her tongue and proceeded to complain at me. sigh. didn't share RCs after that.

the weeds i've been smoking was a discount bag, only 10% THC compared to normally 18-25 for non-CBD dominant weeds. AK-47 derivative.

i actually wish it were a little bit stronger but it tastes fine and does the trick so no big complaints.

drank another pint of surge. ooooopsies.
 
Strong smell? Strange, I don't remember noticing a repulsive smell on kratom. If there was any at all, it was faint. But hey, maybe you're especially sensitive to some compounds in the smell... I know I'm very sensitive to something in paprika - I can't handle its frikken taste! That's unfortunate, though. Using kratom in lieu of other, stronger and more-ish opioids is always a good idea if you're looking to use opis. Well, I would recommend codeine too, but I guess it's not as easily available in the US as it is here (OTC with no questions asked if you buy 500 mg at a time somewhat infrequently, once a week or so).

Codeine is amazing actually, although I'm wondering if I'm over-sensitive to it, or am a good metabolizer or something, because I seem to be among the few who enjoy codeine this much. I mean, who really does codeine over 400 times a year, ~1 g each time? Not everyone, that's fo sho.

Oh, GHB might be a good idea, but be wary, GHB addiction is nasty. As nasty as alcohol addiction, probably.

OT: 800 mg codeine, 2.2 ml 1,4-butanediol. Wooh, this is nice. Although the BD makes it hard to write in English, I keep forgetting words. Going to eat some sandwiches and drink tea, hell yeah man. Been up since 5 AM, always great to get up early and get opiated.
 
Beautiful morning. Taking advantage of the low tolerance being locked up for a few months gives you.

1.25mg buprenorphine
Cup of coffee
Half a cigarette; wondering why I would bother starting again. Not smoking when I'm forced not to doesn't bother me unless opiates are in the picture

Gonna clean up this room I'm renting to make me feel a little more at home and hopefully get the job search cracking
 
Lots of cannabis
1mg etizolam
30-50mg 3-FPM

First time taking 3FPM, and I can say I do enjoy it. Not very strong like vyvanse but more natural feeling. No weird ups and downs. Almost like a very strong caffeine extended release. Just what I need.
 
Thanks belligerent drunk, its always interesting to read someone's firsthand experiences. I've never tried any alcohols aside ethanol but I may someday, because I have access to them at the lab (im a chemistry student).

SirTophamHat said:
Do you use a capping machine or do you cap by hand, 4brah? If you do it by hand, how many capsules does it take to fill a gram? How long would that take?
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I cap it by hand, it's kind of a hassle but it can be done, just make sure to put on gloves if you dont want your hands and everything you touch to become green. Doesn't take that long at all, maybe 5 minutes?

It depends on the consistency of your kratom powder but generally around 0.8g per capsule.

OT: I just woke up and took my morning dose of kratom. I going to go eat some breakfast soon
 
I usually mix my Kratom with tea or juice and just drink all of it. I won't deny it is nasty, but I've definitely gotten used to it. I drank it in water the other day and only gagged a few times lol.

Not very high right now but I most certainly will be later on a cocktail of downers and high quality buds.
 
I'm right there with SirTH, I'm too much of a puker to keep the kratom down via T&W. I agree it is very earthy/woodsy, it's funny cuz I love the bitter taste of heroin but this stuff is just sucking. I've tried with oj can get about 1-2 gulps then gag...tried mixing with pudding but it doesn't mix very well. Obviously the capsules are my best bet but the ones I've just got in the mail don't seem to be doing much,(I think I'm expecting it to be like a heroin high) as mentioned earlier they may be bunk, idk as I dumped out a cap and it looks and tastes like the powder I'd gotten last week but who knows....just frustrated with the whole situation....maybe I will try capping my own, just seems like quite the hassle...
OT: 12 caps kratom a couple cups coffee
 
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Thanks you for the info, 4brah!

Im making my coffee now. took 5mg valium last night :/ regret it even if it means today will be chill 8)
 
3 days into morphine w/d. Tomorrow I'll have the $ to go get my refills though. Phew. Been using some tramadol to tide me over, and I'm doubting if I should/could add in buprenorphine without getting PW's from the tramadol. I always read they synergize great, but I'm still a little scared to try it.

Oh well, it's too late now anyway to take sub. If I want to feel my morphine tomorrow that is.
 
did some errands, have decided to use the movie voucher i have to see sausage party tonight. i hope i have enough courage to smoke a spliff beforehand. im gonna take dxm too.

well that was funny. took 150mg dxm before and smoked a smal spliff. now that im back home time for 45mg booster and a fat spliff.

i walked into the theater precisely at the 2015 start time and still had to endure 20 minutes of advertisement (previews). fucking hate that. at least the movie was good. the scene right after barry makes it to the god's house had me in stitches.
 
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Not very, waiting for my 100mg MS Contin (chewed) to kick in. I rarely chew them, but since I was in moderate withdrawal I made an exception.
 
Where ur oxys ptc^?
I will hopefully get 3 b9xes of em tomo.
Now im on some fire dooe. Snorted. Pretty fucked u0 for a week day work day. But i was h7ngove4 from my bday drinks so i felt like i needed it - i was out of oxy so i needed it in any event.
 
Swapped em for MS Contin. Despite liking oxies more, these are IV-proof. And I really want to cut out that nasty habit of having to spike up multiple times a day just to stay well.

MS Contins are much more controllable for me, unfortunately not as fun/euphoric as oxy. But it's still nice.. :)
 
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