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Misc How has OD helped you?

I found this forum through the Pain Management thread. Other than my teenage years, I had never been a big drug user, but now for the past year have been on a daily regimen of Oxycontin and Neurontin after trying other opiates (percocet worked for a while), benzos and muscle relaxers.

I am so appreciative of all the posters here. There is *no one* in my circle of friends who takes any of these drugs (most don't even know) and a lot of the questions I have had I really did not want to ask my doctor as it has taken me a very long time to find a good one. The doctors I have seen in the past all treated me like a drug seeker and I have horror stories of being in severe pain and being given lectures or not being able to walk and handed a prescription for a 500 vicodin.

Thanks to a lot of my questions being answered in total anonymity, I have been able to avoid dangerous combos, keep my tolerance down by using different potentiating methods and have learned by reading the experience of others how easy it is to go down a road that is very difficult to reverse.

Now that I am in the process of getting a surgery date (there have been many complications), I see somewhat of a light at the end of this dark tunnel and from all of the tapering/withdrawal threads have hope that I can someday be off my current opiate regimen.

It has gotten complicated because even though I may not be the typical poster/reader it certainly does not mean that I have not sometimes really enjoyed the effects of all these meds and reading through the threads has made this experience a lot less isolating. It has also given me the strength and motivation to walk a line between accepting *some* pain in exchange for keeping what is now basically a daily opiate habit in check.

So, thank you OD posters and mods!!!
 
Captain.Heroin said:
If you are used to snorting heroin, and don't know its bioavailability, what number do you compare to 100 for shooting? If you wanted to try shooting, and overestimated how potent snorting it was, you could very easily shoot too much.

Furthermore, the BA/HL mega thread isn't necessarily promoting IV use; I only commonly use it when I'm about to try a new drug, and I'd like to see if the oral/sublingual BA is higher than the other. The last time I used it, I wanted to see the most effective way to use triazolam. I used it sublingually, and got 9% more BA that way.

It's known the IV BA of all drugs is 100, we don't need the BA thread for that, it's listed a lot of places in Other Drugs.



Well said, Bollweevil.
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It's a difference of perspective IMO. As someone that doesn't IV it's really a best bang for the buck thread. I can't argue that having the information going to IV would be valuable. I was just making the point that the most efficient ROA is often less healthy and not always from making the jump to IV.

Even in your example CH how is learning how to get more out of your triazolam HR? If not for recreation wouldn't the proper HR advice be to take as directed? Sounds like a bang for the buck thread to me in that example.
 
I've learned a lot from OD, and it's helped me make much better decisions regarding my drug use and has probably saved me from overdosing and IV complications - and of course, there's always people calling to ask if they really need to use a filter, and the surprisingly common, 'can I shoot up in my dick?' text. 8)

The IV info has been extremely helpful, especially considering what passes for safe injection with most of the junkies I know. I have tiny, girl veins, and the tips I've found have saved me from shooting up in my neck or femoral. I also nicked my artery once. :! I searched and found out what to do (after some serious panicking), and my hand was basically back to normal in an hour.

I've gotten through a lot of withdrawals with the help of BL members - I'm currently tapering off subs; without OD, I would've jumped off at 2mg and gone right back on - thanks CH. :D Before I joined BL, I was taking benzos for anxiety, and couldn't figure out why they stopped working. I tapered and had a surprisingly easy withdrawal and now use them only when absolutely needed.

I also found Suboxone through OD, and although the side effects are forcing me to quit, it helped me return to a normal lide. And in the past six months, my relationship to opiates has changed a lot. Now, I can use them occasionally without going on a binge and waking up in a shooting gallery - at least so far. %)

One of the most important things I learned on OD was what to do when someone overdoses - it saved my best friend's life multiple times and saved us both a lot of jail time.

OD is also a great source of reliable information on drug interactions, ROA's, BA's, dosing, etc and has taught me about drugs/supplements, I might not have found otherwise, like Kratom and Kava.

I've gotten a lot of support and made a lot of friends on OD (and all over BL); it's a great community. <3
 
Here's my take on BL:

There are a lot of good people here that help with harm redux. That's really cool.

There's a hell of a lot of good info that can be searched and found--yet some questions come up over and over again (some are patiently answered, some peeps are told to UTFSE). I think it's funny how some silly repetitive questions are answered, while some aren't tolerated. Personally, I am tired of people asking what the best way to slam (X) is...but I digress...

For the practicing drug user (illegal or otherwise), this place is mecca.

If you can withstand the attitudes of some folk--the one upmanship, the I-took-more-than-you, the how-could-you-be-dumb-enough-to-ask-that type shit, you will probably learn a LOT about your substance of choice, ROA, etc. Maybe too much chest thumping sometimes.....

Basically, this place is GREAT, but we could all take a bit of humility and be a bit kinder to each other. If we're here to help each other and support each other, then a bit of patience would be cool. We're all in it together, right?

thanx.

jt


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JT
 
Gosh where to start this forum has saved my life countless times over.I learned how much apap i could safely take the correct way to cold water extract. When I got into IVing heroin I learned technique where to shoot where not to shoot all kinds of great things. Now that im on suboxone I learned I did not need 16mg a day of that crap I now take 2mg a day. Then there are my friends I get calls all the time how much of this can I take can I mix this and that so bluelight has effected the lives of people who are not even on the board. I also nwanna thank the mods I know its a thankless job but all of you do a great job.
I do miss the heavy handed war zone though ;)
 
Johnny blue said:
It's a difference of perspective IMO. As someone that doesn't IV it's really a best bang for the buck thread. I can't argue that having the information going to IV would be valuable. I was just making the point that the most efficient ROA is often less healthy and not always from making the jump to IV.

Even in your example CH how is learning how to get more out of your triazolam HR? If not for recreation wouldn't the proper HR advice be to take as directed? Sounds like a bang for the buck thread to me in that example.
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How many healthy ROAs do you really have? People are going to do more than just use orally... People are going to try the drug by different ROAs, and this thread tells people, "hey, don't snort your morphine... Eat it." Or, "Oxycodone has a very high oral bioavailability... Snorting provides more of a rish, but eating provides more absorption and less damage to your nose."

BL is all about helping people make informed choices, and that is what the bioavailability thread is all about...
 
The Case Studies thread in OD has helped educate me on the consequences of different ROA's. The images really make a deep impression.
 
Johnny blue said:
It's a difference of perspective IMO. As someone that doesn't IV it's really a best bang for the buck thread. I can't argue that having the information going to IV would be valuable. I was just making the point that the most efficient ROA is often less healthy and not always from making the jump to IV.

Even in your example CH how is learning how to get more out of your triazolam HR? If not for recreation wouldn't the proper HR advice be to take as directed? Sounds like a bang for the buck thread to me in that example.
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I gave an example of what I used the BA/HL MT for, so as to explain that the BA/HL MT is not strictly for the IV users.

Here's an example. Let's say someone is used to taking midazolam orally. They want to IV it. If the BA/HL MT wasn't there, they may not know that the oral BA of midazolam is really low; they may use too much, and may instantly fall over when the drug hits their system, possibly before they could take the needle out.

A Bluelighter told me a story where they first shot Dormicum (midazolam tablets), and they felt it coming on so quickly they only had time to pull out the needle and toss it out of the way before they instantly started nodding out, when they came to, they had to clean the hardened blood off the injection site.

It's better that people know how powerful/potent the IV route is with some drugs with lower oral/other ROA bioavailabilities. This can prevent overdoses, and unnecessary vein damage (passing out with a needle in your vein = not a good idea). Ketamine can also be that way by the way (some people have K holed before they could get the needle out, especially when using a larger volume of liquid).
To etaks2evil, oneswtwld, JoshuaV, newbie22, and HeroinGirl: Thanks for the compliments! %)

To everyone else: good job! I like the discussion thus far, keep up the good work. This has been a fun thread to read.
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All of us do a lot of good work for Bluelight, and when I say this I refer to the OD mods (6/7, Leftwing, and BollWeevil), Smods (6/7, RR, Shambles), and admin (Phrozen). Everyone of the OD Team have been awesome to work with.
thelung said:
The Case Studies thread in OD has helped educate me on the consequences of different ROA's. The images really make a deep impression.
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I agree, sometimes I see the pictures and it's very much so like 8o
 
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BollWeevil said:
How many healthy ROAs do you really have? People are going to do more than just use orally... People are going to try the drug by different ROAs, and this thread tells people, "hey, don't snort your morphine... Eat it." Or, "Oxycodone has a very high oral bioavailability... Snorting provides more of a rish, but eating provides more absorption and less damage to your nose."

BL is all about helping people make informed choices, and that is what the bioavailability thread is all about...
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Captain.Heroin said:
I gave an example of what I used the BA/HL MT for, so as to explain that the BA/HL MT is not strictly for the IV users.

Here's an example. Let's say someone is used to taking midazolam orally. They want to IV it. If the BA/HL MT wasn't there, they may not know that the oral BA of midazolam is really low; they may use too much, and may instantly fall over when the drug hits their system, possibly before they could take the needle out.

A Bluelighter told me a story where they first shot Dormicum (midazolam tablets), and they felt it coming on so quickly they only had time to pull out the needle and toss it out of the way before they instantly started nodding out, when they came to, they had to clean the hardened blood off the injection site.

It's better that people know how powerful/potent the IV route is with some drugs with lower oral/other ROA bioavailabilities. This can prevent overdoses, and unnecessary vein damage (passing out with a needle in your vein = not a good idea). Ketamine can also be that way by the way (some people have K holed before they could get the needle out, especially when using a larger volume of liquid).
To etaks2evil, oneswtwld, JoshuaV, newbie22, and HeroinGirl: Thanks for the compliments! %)
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I understood your example CH. That's exactly how I use the thread and the whole basis of my original opinion. Like I said I can't argue that knowing the BA when jumping to IV use (in particular) is valuable info, even overshadowing the gray area the thread provides. Just calling attention to the fact that you use the thread to get more bang for your buck.

I see nothing wrong with a best bang for your buck thread anyways. Like I said from my experience the HR factor is lacking. I snort my suboxone based on info I learned in that thread. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the thread. It's just that being in a forum that restricts information on topics like smoking oxy to "don't" (for example) and then having a thread saying intranasal opana
is way better than oral seemed inconsistent. There's really no need to defend the HR value of the thread to me.

BL is all about helping people to make informed decisions... for the most part. Anyways I'm done with this. This isn't the place (though this thing could use a bump).
 
Johnny blue said:
I see nothing wrong with a best bang for your buck thread anyways. Like I said from my experience the HR factor is lacking. I snort my suboxone based on info I learned in that thread. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the thread. It's just that being in a forum that restricts information on topics like smoking oxy to "don't" (for example) and then having a thread saying intranasal opana
is way better than oral seemed inconsistent. There's really no need to defend the HR value of the thread to me.
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I just think that information in itself is essential to what Bluelight is all about. Not all threads in Bluelight are only/solely about harm reduction.

There is a disparity that you brought up, I agree. We've made a point to move a lot of threads to BDD or close them, depending on the nature of it. If you think there's a thread that doesn't belong in BDD, you can PM me if you think it needs to be moved/unapproved right away, and reporting them is always helpful.

BL is all about helping people to make informed decisions... for the most part. Anyways I'm done with this. This isn't the place (though this thing could use a bump).
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Well if you have some ideas about what would make this situation better, this would be a good place to offer insight.
 
^no, let's keep this on topic. if someone's got suggestions for the forum please post them in the support forum in the mean time or PM one of us mods, or one of our smods or admin.
 
Actually, we're discussing the possibility of bringing back the thread we did a while ago where we gave members a chance to complain about/critique OD and offer suggestions on how we can do things better or things that need to be changed.

Until that thread arrives - if we decide to do it again - either PM a Mod (CH, lefty, BW, or myself), Sr Mod (myself, Shambles, or Rogue Robot), or Admin (phrozen or tobala), or go ahead post in the Support forum.

This thread is for the positive side of things. If OD has helped you, tell us here. If you hate OD and want to watch us burn to the ground, then either sit tight and wait for the thread I just mentioned to show up, PM one of us, or post in Support.
 
^ after reading about the french revolution for the last 2 hours i see images of other drugs mods being guillotined. i kid i kid ;) you guys do a great job.
 
OD has helped me learn more about my addiction, and how to go about it. OD, and TDS are VERY helpful and so is this site much respect for everyone on here making a difference in my life.
 
I'm happy to hear OD and TDS have been able to help you.

Keep them coming! This thread is my main source of ego-strokeage, so don't leave me hanging.
 
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