rachamim18
Bluelighter
Well...
Ever see "Trainspotting?" Your method will not work very well for most.
Ever see "Trainspotting?" Your method will not work very well for most.
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How do you limit yourself to the sweet ambrosia?(opiates)
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fastandbulbous
Bluelight Crew
5 mins of digging in the dirt is nothing when you're looking at 4 days of sweating anxiety and retches that last 20 seconds. The only way that would work would be to buy a floor safe with a time lock (which most people with a drug habit would be loathed to shell out money on)
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
^^^ Good points 
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In fact, I assure you - when you are truly addicted, both your mind and your body will not allow you to make the drug inaccessable. Matter over mind, I guess![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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.In fact, I assure you - when you are truly addicted, both your mind and your body will not allow you to make the drug inaccessable. Matter over mind, I guess
. jacky
Bluelighter
In the past ten years of pretty much consistent opioid consumption the closest I have gotten to a beneficial opiate regimine is when taking several opioid agonists and or antagonists together. I consume poppy seeds, tramadol, kratom and other lesser known agonists/antagonist herbals on a ever changing regimine.
I am under the impression that I may have a sort of endogenous opioid deficiency, considering the positive effects that I started feeling when taking opiates, the stimulating, focusing antideppressant type effects. I have experienced plenty of dysphoric and dangerous symptoms of chronic addiction, witnessed a score of deaths close to me in a couple of years.....it is no joke, opiate dependence can be a personal hell. I am convinced that proper management of dosage, titration, changing opioid agonists from time to time, and proper diet and use of medicinal herbs in conjunction with informed opiate use can be a beneficial experience. Once I got off of heroin and even oxycodone , and started using other milder opiate agonists, my life started becoming manageable.
A personal choice that I wouldnt wish any person HAD to commit to.....opiate dependance. We are all depenedent on morphine and other endogenous peptides and alkaloid opioid agonists , " opioidopamine " motivational drive consiousness supporting compounds. there is a sort of "pre-trans fallacy" at play in some people considerations and actions towards opiates. Opioids occur in milk, gluten, wheat, and a growing number of researched herbals. I looked at this situation I was in and decided to start researching and trying as many different things as I could find the time and money for.
The longest I have been "clean" of exogenous opiates is 3 months in the last ten years. I like the support of an alternative to methadone and buprenorphine, both of which I have been maintained on. I like buprenorphine for a few weeks at a time, but methadone is something I only really like to take for a few days.
I know my experience is nothing to brag about, if a person wants to truly control their endogenous and exogenous reactions to opiates they probably should do them no more than 2 days in a row every ten days, with at least 5 days in between. opiophile.org has some discussions about these issues.
I look at my opioid consumption as a basic hormonal supplementation.
I am under the impression that I may have a sort of endogenous opioid deficiency, considering the positive effects that I started feeling when taking opiates, the stimulating, focusing antideppressant type effects. I have experienced plenty of dysphoric and dangerous symptoms of chronic addiction, witnessed a score of deaths close to me in a couple of years.....it is no joke, opiate dependence can be a personal hell. I am convinced that proper management of dosage, titration, changing opioid agonists from time to time, and proper diet and use of medicinal herbs in conjunction with informed opiate use can be a beneficial experience. Once I got off of heroin and even oxycodone , and started using other milder opiate agonists, my life started becoming manageable.
A personal choice that I wouldnt wish any person HAD to commit to.....opiate dependance. We are all depenedent on morphine and other endogenous peptides and alkaloid opioid agonists , " opioidopamine " motivational drive consiousness supporting compounds. there is a sort of "pre-trans fallacy" at play in some people considerations and actions towards opiates. Opioids occur in milk, gluten, wheat, and a growing number of researched herbals. I looked at this situation I was in and decided to start researching and trying as many different things as I could find the time and money for.
The longest I have been "clean" of exogenous opiates is 3 months in the last ten years. I like the support of an alternative to methadone and buprenorphine, both of which I have been maintained on. I like buprenorphine for a few weeks at a time, but methadone is something I only really like to take for a few days.
I know my experience is nothing to brag about, if a person wants to truly control their endogenous and exogenous reactions to opiates they probably should do them no more than 2 days in a row every ten days, with at least 5 days in between. opiophile.org has some discussions about these issues.
I look at my opioid consumption as a basic hormonal supplementation.
soundphaRm
Bluelighter
jacky said:
I feel exactly the same way. Although I use opiate/oids mostly for my back pain (when I can get them), I also feel much more "normal" (lack of anxiety/ excellent AD effects, etc...) when on exogenous opiate/oids.
Exactly...
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
Ah, the tragedy of being.
Once one realizes that life = pain, then it is only logical that opiates are even more important than Vitamin-C
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Once one realizes that life = pain, then it is only logical that opiates are even more important than Vitamin-C
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Morrison's Lament
Bluelighter
What dooms a lot of people in the end is finding a good, cheap connection. Thankfully my connection is a complete headcase that I don't like to associate with, makes me wait and wait in stupid places, and rips me off.
I owe him my life, lol
--- G.
I owe him my life, lol
--- G.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Well...
So I will be ruining my life...I can't wait.
Jacky: What I find interesting about your post is the fact that you do less potent substances and still obtain a positive effect. Once I progrssed to heroin so many years ago, I could never go back to the lesser ones. Hats off, I am jealous.
So I will be ruining my life...I can't wait.
Jacky: What I find interesting about your post is the fact that you do less potent substances and still obtain a positive effect. Once I progrssed to heroin so many years ago, I could never go back to the lesser ones. Hats off, I am jealous.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Actually...
Actually I am currently on 80 and about to drop to 70 [every 3 days, 10 mgs.]. I am talking about my active usage of course, not current circumstances. i have been on methadone for well over a decade. On a related note, I am just about to drop to below "Optimum Dosing" so that i could, if I so desired, feel other opioids or opiates once again. I will wit though until I am down to 20, or out of the country, which ever happens first.
Actually I am currently on 80 and about to drop to 70 [every 3 days, 10 mgs.]. I am talking about my active usage of course, not current circumstances. i have been on methadone for well over a decade. On a related note, I am just about to drop to below "Optimum Dosing" so that i could, if I so desired, feel other opioids or opiates once again. I will wit though until I am down to 20, or out of the country, which ever happens first.
ktx49
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ok i was just pointing out, that its not really the "norm" to find milder opiates worthless after you begin to shoot H...its more about how much your taking and for how long, aka tolerance!
thats why i brought up the fact that you were on 200mg of methadone at one point!!
thats why i brought up the fact that you were on 200mg of methadone at one point!!
rachamim18
Bluelighter
But...
Except that I have found that EVERY long time user i have ever met or talked to has said the same. you will not see a 20 year junkie getting a high off T3s or Ultram. It just does not happen. I am sure however that some yokel from Minnesota ot Manitoba wioll argue differently but never - the - less, this has been my subjective experience. From a scinetific point of view there has been alot of conflicting info on that subject but it is certainly something I wish were not true. I have jars of that light weight stuff and don't even know why I bother to hold onto it.
Except that I have found that EVERY long time user i have ever met or talked to has said the same. you will not see a 20 year junkie getting a high off T3s or Ultram. It just does not happen. I am sure however that some yokel from Minnesota ot Manitoba wioll argue differently but never - the - less, this has been my subjective experience. From a scinetific point of view there has been alot of conflicting info on that subject but it is certainly something I wish were not true. I have jars of that light weight stuff and don't even know why I bother to hold onto it.
snowlife
Greenlighter
Thank you all for your opinions and comments I really appreciate hearing from all of you - occasional users and junkies alike. gloggawogga I think that your advice is spot on, especially as it pertains to finding a life outside of opiates that is more fulfilling and gratifying even if not as immediate.
Two thoughts. rachamim18 mentioned opiate substitutes. In his case he was talking about another opiate i.e. methadone, but I was thinking about replacing daily use with another intoxicant that I'm not nearly as fond of and therefore am not likely to get addicted to (alcohol and cannabis come to mind, although I've thought about benzos too) I don't particularly like any of these drugs, and so I was thinking about switching out days of opiate usage with use of one of these drugs. I understand the possibility and gravity of benzo addiction, but that aside, has anyone been able to do "the juggle" successfully i.e. in helping manage your opiate dependency?
Second, fastandbulbous mentioned, albeit facetiously, the idea of using a time lock safe to manage dispensing your drugs - in essence taking out the middle man i.e. SO from the equation. I have actually thought seriously about something that could actually do this. I seem to be highly motivated to get my drugs, and would love to develop a reward system as it were that would only dispense my drugs if I completed all of my goals/objectives for the day. I know it's sort of the idea of protecting yourself from yourself, but still I think that it could be incredibly effective if there was a way to actually implement it. Any thought?
gloggawogga I think that your advice is spot on, especially as it pertains to finding a life outside of opiates that is more fulfilling and gratifying even if not as immediate. Two thoughts. rachamim18 mentioned opiate substitutes. In his case he was talking about another opiate i.e. methadone, but I was thinking about replacing daily use with another intoxicant that I'm not nearly as fond of and therefore am not likely to get addicted to (alcohol and cannabis come to mind, although I've thought about benzos too) I don't particularly like any of these drugs, and so I was thinking about switching out days of opiate usage with use of one of these drugs. I understand the possibility and gravity of benzo addiction, but that aside, has anyone been able to do "the juggle" successfully i.e. in helping manage your opiate dependency?
Second, fastandbulbous mentioned, albeit facetiously, the idea of using a time lock safe to manage dispensing your drugs - in essence taking out the middle man i.e. SO from the equation. I have actually thought seriously about something that could actually do this. I seem to be highly motivated to get my drugs, and would love to develop a reward system as it were that would only dispense my drugs if I completed all of my goals/objectives for the day. I know it's sort of the idea of protecting yourself from yourself, but still I think that it could be incredibly effective if there was a way to actually implement it. Any thought?
fastandbulbous
Bluelight Crew
Eh? I was being deadly ernest when I said that. I know of at least a couple of people who have safes to keep their drugs in (one for safety reasons, the other for security reasons) and I wouldn't imagine that getting the same thing with a time lock would be that difficult, just expensive.