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How do you limit yourself to the sweet ambrosia?(opiates)

The only opiate I've ever done is codeine. A mere 4 doses so far, with about 2-4 week break in between, and I'm already quite disturbed by how 'deep' opiate cravings feel. Even cravings so piss-weak as these, nonetheless seem far more worrying than any other drug I've done (apart from nicotene, which was first synthesise in the depths of hell).

So my point is, if you want to have a regular opiate habit, just be DAMN sure that you have the self-discipline to keep it 'just a habit.' I sure as hell wouldn't trust myself to take something like opium tea regularly and maintain control over my life.

I'm genuinely impressed by those bluelighters who IV heroin regularly and still keep it so well together.

Think I'll stick to psychedelics (which were first synthesised on the fluffiest cloud in heaven). :)
 
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Yeah, I haven't done codeine that much - but the thing that scared the shit out of me was a three day stint on morphine after a knee reconstruction.

Fucking hell, after being shot up with morphine every four hours and dosed with codeine some other shit (could have been oxy? can't remember, i was pretty out of it he he he) I thought I was sitting pretty.

The day I got home from hospital, I was grumpy, shitty, constipated and felt like I was getting the flu. I thought I might have got a blood infection from the operation, so I rang up my doctor and he just told me I was having a minor withdrawal from the painkillers!!

If three days of use can do that to a person, my heart bleeds for those trying to kick the stuff.

I'm sorta grateful for this experience because I've been given a glimpse of the nastiness without having to work my way up there.


I'd say if you're getting withdrawals, you're doing too much. That's not me being judgemental....

Respect and peace
 
Tropic...

Don't worry , you have not "disparaged" me. However, threads are not confined to one person or even to a strict topic. In fact, this paticular thread WAS directed towards "experienced" opiate/opioid users, ergo addicts.

Itchy: Yep, it happens all too often. I cannot even begin to relate all the Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde stories I have expereinced over the years.

Sound: I am sure you know how common it really is to be a medical provier and to use illicitly. I admire your restraint in working with those substances. I can only imagine what would happen if I were in that position. When doing my graduate work I was privyh to some interesting compounds and did appreciate the legal opportunity to indulge in alot of them but in my case it is expected that one will do so. My maternal grandfather was a pahrmacist and owned a pharmacy for many years. While I never indulged from his stock I did avail myself to all the various substances he brought home. then, his wife [my grandmother] has a genetic disease that enables her to have an unlimited supply of paregoric. Needless to say that I enjoyed visiting "Nana."

Jamshyd: I admire your restraint as well. However, I think that self discipline does not have alot to do with it. Some are going to become addicted regardless. I agree with your contention that the only true prevention is to never start.

UC531: You are right, the psychological factor is real problem.

BlackOctagon: Very wise choice.

Bludda: You are correct.
 
Better yet...

"N.O.T.D.L.", "Nurses On The Down Low" although it might be confused with the other "Down Low," and the acronym is not too easy on the tongue.
 
Rachamin18 writes:

In fact, this paticular thread WAS directed towards "experienced" opiate/opioid users, ergo addicts.
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The original poster wrote:

So my long-winded question is simply how have you occassional opiate users i.e. simply those that aren't using on a daily basis...
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Of course...

Just another day at the office. It is meaningless blather, but that's is why they call it a "community." Right? I really do understand why various mods have bailed after a while. Accuracy is the highest priority. I would never argue that point. However, if it is over such a mundane issue as this...
 
In fact...

Glow and Tropic ARE correct in that the author DID ask for "occaisonal users' " opinions/advice. However, such users do not need tp limit their use [as I see the issue] so that it is a senselss subject if looked at it from that perspective. I mean, occasional use suggests that someone has complete control of their usage, right? Talk about splitting hairs...I need to get on that plane quickly...
 
"occaisonal users' " opinions/advice. However, such users do not need to limit their use [as I see the issue] so that it is a senselss subject if looked at it from that perspective.
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Occasional users do not need to limit their use? Occasional users are already limiting their use, one way or another. The OP, as I understood it, was asking how do occasional users limit their use. That doesn't seem senseless at all to me. ;)
 
1) Have other things in your life that you live for other than opiates, i.e. good spousal and family relationships, friends, academic and career goals, hobbies, etc.
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This is basically what keeps me from going off the deep end with it. Knowledge that I have too much to lose now. Helps that I have also used in a none controlled manner in the past and have very real knowledge of where that leads.

Can't let it consume you. Having said that I do struggle at times with both physical and psychological addiction. Never seem to be able to stray to far and make that final break anymore. Had a period of 12 years sobriety at one time.

SoundphaRm- N.O.D. I love it.
 
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Black Octagon said:
I'm genuinely impressed by those bluelighters who IV heroin regularly and still keep it so well together.
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well.. honesty usually can't be validated on an internet message board.. and some people here are wealthy and can afford a serious habit... some don't have to work

I can usually use 3 days out of each week for about a month before I say 'fuck it' and become physically dependent... and it's been like that for about 4 years
 
Jamshyd said:
As has been mentioned before... self discipline only lasts for a while...

Not to flaunt, but I have unbelievably good self-disciplin. I had never been addicted to any drug (and I tried them all).

I had had many ego-humbling experiences with psychedelics, but there is absolutely nothing more humbling than the claws on Morpheus' fingers as he gives you that indescribable hug. They dig so deep into you, that it would cost you your life to pull them out.

Point in case, the only thing that ever broke through my self-discipline was opiates. Sure, cocaine can lead to self-readministration while it lasts, but I have total control on when I buy it. With opiates, even that is a bit different....

I also agree that giving your drugs to someone else can cause a LOT of tension.

The ONLY way to prevent opiate addiction, IMO, is to never, ever take opiates, Not even once. But who are we kidding...

(Btw, I am refering just to the psychological addiction. Physical dependence is the icing on this cake).
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After reading this I'm curious as to what your thought process is like when you "succumb" to opiates.

I consider myself very self-disciplined aswell and I would consider it a defeat if I told myself that I wouldn't do a drug and then just went on and did it anyway, the pleasure just wouldn't be as good because of this "guilt".

How do you deal with that when taking opiates? Does this "disappointment" with yourself just disappear or are you just lured into taking it anyway cause "it's not that bad" etc.?

I have always considered it possible to control ones drug use no matter which drug it is. But maby opiates are an exception...?
 
^^^ I don't think many people get into it thinking they will become addicts.

My experience is that it is subtle. Sneaks up on you. Start to rationalize why you can/should use more often. Then progress to "well, I shouldn't have done that for so many days" and have a bit of withdrawl, and then think..."well that didn't kill me and it won't happen again". Use again. Repeat thought process/cycle.
 
Redeemer: I tend to use the figure "morpheus" a lot when talking about opiates, or rather, the state of being provided by their effects. This is because that state feels like it is a sentient being that is far more powerful than any mere human ego's powers of control.

The allure of morpheus is so overwhelmingly overpowering that noticing this, and accepting your futility against it, is (to me) just as powerful an experience as, say, LSD-induced ego-death.

Yes, it is a "dissapointment." Ah, but there is a catch... once you are in the embraces of morpheus, nothing is dissapointing. Repeat cycle.

What thoughts go through my head? I guess it would be that I have finally found my achile's heal.

Love and light...
 
Ketamike...

Ketamike has raised a very good point in that people express what they choose to express. You really have no choice but to tkae their word for ir. Still, one CAN pick up a lot of good info from people's subjective experiences. Fast's tip is a good example.
 
I know its different for everyone; but here is what I do. There is a special spot under my shed, that is very difficult to access. You have to get on your stomach and get very dirty to access it. It takes maybe 5 minutes to get. If I throw something down there, I have to go through the symbolic 'getting dirty' as well as have an urge overpower me for the five minutes it takes to get it. I normally feel so guilty, I won't do it.
 
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