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how do you deal with misnformed people?

Someone more knowledgable in this area might wanna clue me in, but I remember reading the results of a study that stated that about 0.1% (or one in 1,000) people who used LSD suffered psychosis. Most people recovering fully within two weeks, and those who did suffer psychosis perhaps having some inclination towards mental illness anyway.

Perhaps the 'flashback' thing is related to HPPD?
 
^ I thought flashbacks were distinct from HPPD, as in HPPD is the term for continuing visual effects (such as static, distortions, etc...) and flashbacks being more like experiencing a greater amount of the effects from the drug.

A search on statistics didn't turn up anything on psychosis from LSD; weirdly enough a link talking about treating psychosis with LSD came up. I've used LSD and various other psychs a whole lot, and I'm currently being treated as possibly schizophrenic or some other psychotic illness and I've never had a psychotic episode yet from LSD, if I'm experiencing delusions when I take acid though it tends to exacerbate those symptoms though sometimes it takes me out of the delusions.
 
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I thought flashbacks were more like, you just start having an episode when you are sober. My friends flashback was only small, but he said he got it months after doing LSD and happened to be driving his car at the time, and immediately pulled over and started tripping out really hard.

He considers it one of the scariest moments of his life because he didn't know wtf was happening

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^ This, is one fine post.

To add on to what jordan said, i've know several people who think that LSD and acid are two separate things, and they're the ones that will go forward spreading ridiculous propaganda.
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When I was started learning about drugs, and reading into them. I thought LSD and Acid were different things. LSD I had heard was meant to be like an intense mushroom and Acid was meant to just "fuck you up".

But like heroin, LSD is still one of those drugs that I've always considerred more dangerous then others, I hate the idea of having flashbacks And I loathe what I've seen it do to other people. I should also mention that my Best mate tried LSD for the first time about 12 months ago, did it a few times over the next month, and couldn't stop clenching his jaw up until recently. All the time he would find himself clenching his jaw. Although admitably he said his time on LSD was well worth it.

We're all familiar with jaw clenching from MDMA or Meth, but normally it subsides within a couple of days at the worst of times. The idea that LSD can change me psychologically permanently is something that frightens me.
 
^^ travelling man; Flashbacks are separate from HPPD... it's unknown what causes them and it's a very weird feeling. From my experience I think it's more psychological that anything... something reminds you of your trip and you 'find yourself in it'. Kind of how certain smells remind you of certain times. Anyhow, back on topic, normally if I try to explain to people what certain drugs actually do, they won't believe scientific evidence. For many, the phrase 'drugs are bad' has just been drilled into their minds so hard that they can't see things any other way. It's bizarre, but that's how it is. Our society seems to like to breed this culture of ignorance around substances which leads to serious safety issues to those using, and those unaware.
 
I just find it ironic that in a free democratic country, we can have our freedoms taken away and be so brainwashed.
 
From wikipedia:

Cohen (1960) estimated 0.8 per 1,000 volunteers (the single case among approximately 1250 study volunteers was the identical twin of a schizophrenic and he recovered within 5 days) and 1.8 per 1,000 psychiatric patients (7 cases among approximately 3850 patients, of which 2 cases were "preschizophrenic" or had previous hallucinatory experience, 1 case had unknown outcome, 1 case had incomplete recovery, and 5 cases recovered within up to 6 months).[59]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Psychosis

It sounds like this could be where that story came from.
 
Mr Blonde - When you said Six Feet Under, I thought you meant the band. When I realised you didn't, I was most disappointed. Just thought I'd mention it.

I find the best method is to counter their anecdotes with my own, when this inevitably doesn't work, I send them to compelling evidence. 9 times out of 10 this doesn't work, so I take one of 2 options. If I don't particularly like the person (most common) I beat my head on the nearest object while informing them of their lack of intellect. If I do like the person, I tend to change the topic before they say something they can't take back.

A lot of people simply don't want to admit that they're wrong or that they've been lied to. Alternatively, if it's online, I spam them with links to skinhead punk to demonstrate my low opinion of them.
 
^Skinheads rock... lmao..

I have a swastika tattoed on my leg (not for any reason other than i was drunk enough to let me brother do it.. i'm not actually a neo nazi or inherantly racist, other than my basic bias against large racial groups)
 
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^Skinheads rock... lmao..

I have a swastika tattoed on my leg (not for any reason other than i was drunk enough to let me brother do it.. i'm not actually a neo nazi or inherantly racist, other than my basic bias against large racial groups)
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I went to a Halloween party last year as Charles Manson with a swastika on my forehead, everyone thought I was trying to be a neo-Nazi or something. In fact that picture is still my facebook photo ha ha.
 
shibada, blue smurfs were a pretty strong MDMA pill i had back in 2003. theres been all kinds of bullshit rumours about 'smurf pills' and 'smurf trips' over the years.. apparantly you'll try to get under the lines painted on the road.
 
hey guys, I'm of Jewish origin. The Swastika offende me. jks :p

I've heard about the "smurf drug" too. From what I hear its like acid but it makes you think you are a smurf. I've heard stories of people talking in smurf and picking berries on the drug :/
 
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I love those drug legends where apparently there is a drug that has a very specific effect in everyone, making everyone who uses it believe they are some animal or cartoon character or whatever. Wow, I didn't know we all had the smurfs hardwired into our brains from birth.
 
That smurf drug is a load of shit, of all the people I have known who claimed to have had, been able to get or been around someone who was on it I have never had a single person able to say what was in them or obtain a sample for me to try.

I have heard the guy thinking he was an orange and peeling himself about both acid and ecstasy.

I usually try inform stupid people, 99% don't listen to a word and even the few who do still pretty much consider me a freak for knowing so much about drugs. I will help out mates with solid info and discourage anyone from doing something dangerous but generally I keep my knowledge to myself unless asked or it is obvious someone could derive a direct benefit from it.
 
It does suck though when your just trying to help people out and it goes through one ear and out the other.

Also, most of my mate's think I'm a pussy of some sort for caring so much about Harm Reduction...which is fucking bullshit..and yeah drug mentor, i also get the "freak for knowing a little about drug's" re-action too..

But when it come's down to Harm Reduction, people just laugh at it, My mum for example - the other day i was in the shower and i had left my laptop open so while i was in the shower, she had a look and saw the Bluelight forum's and then confronted me about what it was. I told her what Bluelight was and her reply was "Harm Reduction? Pfft No such thing when it come's to drug's."

So yea some people care, some don't.
 
Around a year ago, a friend of my younger brother did some acid at a festival. He was dancing with friends amongst a packed crowd and started to freak out. He left the festival, drove to a quiet, secluded place to collect himself. Once he'd regained his mojo he jumped in the car and started driving back to the festival. On the way back he crashed into one of those petrol price towers/signs out the front of servos.

Not sure what speed he was doing, but it was a significant impact and he suffered considerable emotional trauma. He's physically okay, but since that day his personality has changed for the worse. Like every time you speak to him, he always seems really spaced-out and can't concentrate on what people are saying. He can't keep up with conversations either, unless they are about simple shit like the weather or the footy scores.

I feel bad for the guy. He turns 21 this year and has heaps to look forward to so heres hoping he gets over that shit.
 
Sorry to hear that Cr1spy. His friends really should have been looking out for him, but I know from experience that it's hard to keep tabs (pun intended) on everyone at a festival, especially when you are enjoying yourself on the dance floor and a friend just runs off.

I get all socially retarded like that when I have been over doing psychs, but I come good after a term of abstinence.

Sadly, I know a few people that have been emotionally traumatized while tripping and their prognosis is not so good.

People really need to respect these powerful substances, they can go from being fun to being your worst nightmare in no time. A little forward planning goes a long way.

I always give my keys to one of the girls (<3 you responsible ladies) in our group when we doof, so I can't bail if I happen to lose my shit for a while. Freaking out on psychs kicks in your fight or flight mode and not having access to your car is a good thing!
 
Thanks for your concern dude. As far as I know, his mates weren't aware of the fact he'd left the festival and just assumed he'd gone walkabout. Something pretty common with the drug in question!

Thats a shame regarding those mates of yours. I've suffered something similar myself, where for a time I thought I had developed schizophrenia. The feeling lasted quite a while, around 7 or 8 hours and I know what you mean about becoming socially retarded! Was with a close-knit group of friends and found myself needing to be alone in a dark place and was hiding from them and shit, yelling at them to leave me alone. Kept thinking something horrific was going to happen and there was nothing I could do to prevent it. That experience kept me away from LSD for ages :(

Yeah, giving the keys to a sober friend is definitely the way to go :)
 
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