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How do we bring MDMA to the masses?

There are enough masses on MDMA already.

For too many this drug becomes one of abuse and excess, and if the gateway drug theory is true, it applies to mdma more than any other I can think of (besides alcohol, cigarettes).

I don't see how the masses could benefit from mdma. Really what everybody needs is a Syd Barrett style dose of acid in their morning coffee.
 
In all honesty, with the views/brainwashing as potent as they are, the only real way to involve the masses is baby steps. Keep doing what you're doing...you know..talking about it to friends, bashing myths against the walls with scientific facts, ect...I'm hopeful that it will happen someday, and I'd like to be around to see it. =D
 
How about we make millions upon millions of ecstacy tabs and just give them away at festivals.

There is like a certain responsibility factor that disallows this.

I dunno it should able to be bought at the shops.

Ecstascy isnt like other drugs, it's like your very own slice of heaven.

Every person should be allowed to feel that good for just a while in there lives.
 
Better educate the entire nation. Everyone believes the bullshit they read or hear so they are to scared. Friends have been coming to me lately and asking me the effects of E. I one educate them on the good and the bad effects. The difference between mdma and a doctered up pill. The importance of a test kit and oh yeah I give em this site to go to. A month later I find out they tried it and loved it. Most everyone is curious about it. I find there is just too much negative hype from the media wrongdul accusations assumming it was the drug E that caused this or that. I have never read anything in my area about an E dealer was taken down. I have heard of a pot/coke/crack/E dealer but never just an E dealer being taken down. One more thing we have to control the idiots who do the drug and give it a bad name.
 
I don't really care about bringing MDMA to the masses, as much as how people look at MDMA users. If MDMA were legal and still not many people did it, I'd be fine with that as long as people don't look down/differently at users.
 
Yeah I tend to agree with AznHangukBoi. I don't see the point in trying to get more people to use mdma. But it would be great if we could just go in to work on a monday morn and have a conversation like this:


Bazza: "So what did you do on the weekend?"
Me: "Oh a couple of pills and a few joints, you?"
Bazza: "Got blind drunk, didn't pick up, started a fight and dented me car on the way home"

Without it ending like this:

Boss: "Ah well bazz better luck next week. and You (me) your fired! We will not employ drug abusers!"

I will march proudly under a banner that stands for removing the social stigma of drug users. It would be a great achievment if we could re-educate the public with the truth about drugs and expose the anti drug propaganda for the bullshit that it is!
 
In my opinion, it would be a terrible idea to legalize MDMA due to how "beneficial" it is.

I believe it is pure bullshit and my reasoning is because in my point of view, yeah it may make you open up and help get shit out with a psychaitrist or psychologist, BUT as soon as the person comes down from the drug they will feel more depressed than they did originally (Ain't it the main reason that it is used theurpeutic purposes??) Or if it isn't depression, im sorry post traumatic stress disorder.

Plus when the individual doesn't have the drug, they wont feel safe talking and opening up unless they are under the influence of it at the time of the session. Guys it's the same principle as rolling your face off, and hooking up with a girl, The next morning you may regret it terribly because it could of been a female you Do not want to go that direction with).

Has anyone forgot about the addictive part? It technically is very closely related, if not IS meth-amphetamine, i'm sure majority of patients will be addicted to it , due to their history of PTSD, What about Tolerance too?

Just my opinion
 
opiatekrzy said:
In my opinion, it would be a terrible idea to legalize MDMA due to how "beneficial" it is.

I believe it is pure bullshit and my reasoning is because in my point of view, yeah it may make you open up and help get shit out with a psychaitrist or psychologist, BUT as soon as the person comes down from the drug they will feel more depressed than they did originally (Ain't it the main reason that it is used theurpeutic purposes??) Or if it isn't depression, im sorry post traumatic stress disorder.

Plus when the individual doesn't have the drug, they wont feel safe talking and opening up unless they are under the influence of it at the time of the session. Guys it's the same principle as rolling your face off, and hooking up with a girl, The next morning you may regret it terribly because it could of been a female you Do not want to go that direction with).

Has anyone forgot about the addictive part? It technically is very closely related, if not IS meth-amphetamine, i'm sure majority of patients will be addicted to it , due to their history of PTSD, What about Tolerance too?

Just my opinion
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I think what we should remember is that if MDMA becomes legal, it dosen't necessarily mean there will be a dramatic increase in the amount of people using. I would love to see MDMA legalised purely for the reasons of safety as well as price, but the majority of people that are anti-drug now will remain that way after legalisation. I've got no problem with that, as long as I don't get harassed because of my drug habits.

It's my body, and I should have the right to put whatever I want into it, and if the government says I can only ingest alcohol and tobacco (which rank at the top of the drug death statistics) then that's bullshit. (Source: http://www.csdp.org/ads/causes.htm )

I understand your concern for addiction and the comedown, but I don't believe it will become a major problem where the whole population are braindead and cracked-out zombies. I'm assuming that you use MDMA, and most likely are friends with a lot of people who use. The majority of people who use MDMA continue to live fulfilled and responsible lives, and although the comedown is a bummer, it is not a major problem if the user implements moderation. I think this example of responsible and moderated usage is perfectly epitomised in the BlueLight community.

This is a bit off-topic but I found this article a few years ago, and still think it's really helpful when talking about issues like this. Although it deals more with the legalistion of heroin and cocaine, it is still very applicable to MDMA:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,506559,00.html
 
opiatekrzy said:
In my opinion, it would be a terrible idea to legalize MDMA due to how "beneficial" it is.

I believe it is pure bullshit and my reasoning is because in my point of view, yeah it may make you open up and help get shit out with a psychaitrist or psychologist, BUT as soon as the person comes down from the drug they will feel more depressed than they did originally (Ain't it the main reason that it is used theurpeutic purposes??) Or if it isn't depression, im sorry post traumatic stress disorder.
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That isn't the point. The point is that you see how you CAN feel.

opiatekrzy said:
Plus when the individual doesn't have the drug, they wont feel safe talking and opening up unless they are under the influence of it at the time of the session.
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You know this how?

opiatekrzy said:
Guys it's the same principle as rolling your face off, and hooking up with a girl, The next morning you may regret it terribly because it could of been a female you Do not want to go that direction with).
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There are no "directions". How awful could someone be that you regret it "terribly"? Just have sex, or don't, whatever. We aren't children here.

opiatekrzy said:
Has anyone forgot about the addictive part? It technically is very closely related, if not IS meth-amphetamine, i'm sure majority of patients will be addicted to it , due to their history of PTSD, What about Tolerance too?

Just my opinion
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I forgot about the addictive part when I stopped listening to propaganda.
 
opiatekrzy said:
BUT as soon as the person comes down from the drug they will feel more depressed than they did originally
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When used under the supervision of a therapist, a subject wouldn't be using large recreational doses, nor at a high frequency, thus they wouldn't experience harsh comedowns. I don't experience a harsh comedown because I space out my usage enough, as do other here.
opiatekrzy said:
Plus when the individual doesn't have the drug, they wont feel safe talking and opening up unless they are under the influence of it at the time of the session. Guys it's the same principle as rolling your face off, and hooking up with a girl, The next morning you may regret it terribly because it could of been a female you Do not want to go that direction with).
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Alcohol is exactly the same though? I'm sure most of us have woken up next to "something" and thought "WTF did I drink last night to pull that?!!" :o Besides, a lot of people find the MDMA experience enables them to be more open when they are sober. From my experiences with MDMA and amphetamine (I talk a lot on speed too) I've found that I can talk to new people a lot more openly even when I'm sober now. I used to be a very shy person. True, I still am to a degree, it takes me a while to become comfortable with some people but its much quicker than it used to be.
opiatekrzy said:
Has anyone forgot about the addictive part? It technically is very closely related, if not IS meth-amphetamine, i'm sure majority of patients will be addicted to it , due to their history of PTSD, What about Tolerance too?
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If only available during therapy sessions it would reduce that risk. And what do you mean "is very closely related, if not IS meth-amphetamine"?? How can MDMA be methamphetamine. Its like me saying "Apples are like, infact ARE oranges!" 8(
 
AlphaNumeric said:
When used under the supervision of a therapist, a subject wouldn't be using large recreational doses, nor at a high frequency, thus they wouldn't experience harsh comedowns. I don't experience a harsh comedown because I space out my usage enough, as do other here.
Alcohol is exactly the same though? I'm sure most of us have woken up next to "something" and thought "WTF did I drink last night to pull that?!!" :o Besides, a lot of people find the MDMA experience enables them to be more open when they are sober. From my experiences with MDMA and amphetamine (I talk a lot on speed too) I've found that I can talk to new people a lot more openly even when I'm sober now. I used to be a very shy person. True, I still am to a degree, it takes me a while to become comfortable with some people but its much quicker than it used to be.
If only available during therapy sessions it would reduce that risk. And what do you mean "is very closely related, if not IS meth-amphetamine"?? How can MDMA be methamphetamine. Its like me saying "Apples are like, infact ARE oranges!" 8(
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That pretty much sums up my thoughts, better that I couldof done. Good job =D
 
Has anybody read the book "From Onions to Pearls" about Michael Clegg? Is it any good? Since we are talking about leadership here, let's not forget about people that have already brought MDMA to the masses. I heard mixed opinions of MC... One thing for sure he made a stack and some more making mdma. The fact that he was a priest I think is quite interesting, i am surprised there is no religous sect that claims MDMA was sent from God. Another proof is that mdma does NOT make people insane I guess.
 
I guess it's nice to think that all of these things have a chance at happening but I really doubt they will happen in my lifetime. It has been pounded into kids heads since they are 8 years old that drugs are bad and people that use drugs are bad people. There are also those type of people out there that are stupid to begin with and do stupid things on drugs only to get caught and make all the rest of us look bad. That and politicians are dirtbags and will never support drug tollerance.. I doubt they would get more votes than Nader
 
Now there is a thought a president running on the platform to better educate people on E. If done right that person would have my vote.%)
 
What if we could expand bluelight to other mediums?

I was thinking a community radio show perhaps? Even if it wasn't linked in any way to bluelight. I couldn't see any commercial radio stations taking it up. Cause they don't go for anything new or original and they are all a bunch of farkwads.

eg: A half our program once a week on Triple J (Aust) where a couple of experts on drugs talked about harm minimisation. And educate people on the real truth about drugs. Plus a talk back section for those who have questions. It couldn't be seen to be condoning drug use though. Or pointing the bone at the govt for putting out propaganda.

I know you wouldn't get through much in half an hour. But hopefully it might inspire some people to seek out more info from places such as this site.
Does any one else think it is possible to take harm minimisation to a broader audience?
 
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