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How do we bring MDMA to the masses?

Legalization....

Sorry to burst your bubble y'all, but mdma isn't gonna be legalized in your lifetime. At least not in the U.S.A. the US just blew a ton o' cash on anti-marijuana commercials. Pot's there bad guy, there gateway drug. They won't give it up, even though its the weakest drug I've ever done. Oh...and don't even think they would legalize pot b 4 a methamphetamine.

I mean I've been around the block, and while i don't use anymore, I've done my share. Oh and your share, and her share, and your buddy who's looking over your shoulder while your reading this's share. Not only do I know the obvious benefits of mdma but, I also know of the downside of using x on a regular basis...its bad. Kinda like an emotional crash....it will turn macho men into cowards, hardasses into someone who's clinging to his girls leg...begging her not to go. It can be good, on occasion....like 2 or 3 times a year, w/ some peeps ya love. Ya gots ta remember tho, it IS a methamphetamine....just like dirty ass crank. (brake fluid and battery acid, and anhydrousamonia (sp?)anyone?) Sorry, y'all but I'm from Iowa and i've seen meth run down the best of my friends.

As a past user of both...any kind of meth is scary shit. Very Addictive!...both physically and mentally. With X ya kinda fall in love w/ IT. To end off...I would never give someone their 1st hit again...I did it 2x and they both took off on it so fast that it scared me. One of which is now a crank whore....and thats the way she wants it...(scary huh). Not only that, but everybody body's react differantly...druggies like us...have bodies that don't go crazy from one use...but others might not. No one drug is perfect for everybody...remember that....and be carefulll to those of you who continue the eXperiement.
 
oh...and shopping

ummm yeah gone shopping on x, and to a strip club....my advice, DON'T DO IT!!! YOU WILL BE BROKE!!! I MEAN $10 a hit x 3 plus some for your shopping mates or girlfriend? thats at least sixty dollars before you buy anything...maybe your loaded but i'm broke. (possable $120 at a price of $20 a hit [edit)

edit - please do not refer to drug transactions involving others... law enforcement watches this board. PM me if you're not sure what I mean by this. -V
 
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i agree in theory, definitly.
the world would be a MUCH different place if everyone experienced a good roll.

however, with the general view on drugs in the states (and everywhere, pretty much) its unfortunately NOT going to happen anytime soon.
damn, i'm shore we all know people OUR age who are anti-drug, buying all the gov;t propoganda... how can we honestly believe that that can be changed so easily?
*sigh*
 
Brian Oblivion said:
You're argument holds no water.
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Sure it does- they're not going to make them full strength and far too many side effects would be incurred, just as they are today. Such a product would be watered down, otherwise we'd be able to nip into the pharmacies and buy painkillers tha would floor a gorilla.

They'd be watered down, I can assure you ;)
 
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just a side note, have you heard about the activity regarding testing mdma as a theraputic tool? i don't know too much about it so i can't comment 100%, but i don't think those regulated pills only have 10mg in them, hehe.
 
djfusion777 said:
Sure it does- they're not going to make them full strength and far too many side effects would be incurred, just as they are today. Such a product would be watered down, otherwise we'd be able to nip into the pharmacies and buy painkillers tha would floor a gorilla.

They'd be watered down, I can assure you ;)
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I dont think you understand the market. Things which are sold legally simply cannot logically cost more/unit of weight or volume than things which are sold on the black market.
 
snakjaw said:
I dont think you understand the market. Things which are sold legally simply cannot logically cost more/unit of weight or volume than things which are sold on the black market.
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Aye, but that's before the fat cat's profit margin's are taken into account. Such an in demand product isn't going to be dirt cheap, if they can hike the price they will.
 
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I have a couple of questions.

1) "Such an in demand product isn't going to be dirt cheap" - Why?

2) Who exactly is "they." (And "you know, them, those fat cats" is not a reasonable answer.)

3) So why isn't sugar super expensive?
 
VelocideX said:
In relation to the terrorism point, I still think its amusing that all the top world bodies admit that the drug trade funds terrorism to a significant extent... (and organised crime more generally)

You've got two options. Legalise it, and eliminate all profit, or try and ban it, and spend shitloads on enforcement and still not suceed.

Which option would you take? Which do they take? :)
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From what they've told us, where illegal drug production appears to be funding terrorism is in the opiate market. I doubt that MDMA production is tied to it at all because it isn't a major blackmarket export product in the middle east.


But, yeah, almost all illegal drugs fund some kind of organised crime (including terrorist groups). And removing the "illegal" status would put 100% of them out of business.

They could get rid of major crime with the stroke of a pen. But, rather than doing that, they hang onto their Drug War like the Roman Catholic church holding on to the earthcentric universe in the 14th century. 8(


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That's fair (although, you can get a sugar rush :) )

How about liquor? You can get high on liquor, and that isn't expensive. (Some liquors cost more than others, but over all it is a fairly cheap high.)
 
"It can be good, on occasion....like 2 or 3 times a year, w/ some peeps ya love. "

You mean it was good for YOU this way, the usage and dosage patterns for others will and should be different...

"Ya gots ta remember tho, it IS a methamphetamine....just like dirty ass crank."

It's an amphetamine, not methamphetamine...Methamphetamine is a select class of amphetamine, just like MDMA...I know it might seem strange, but a slight change (and the difference between speed and MDMA isn't even that slight) in the the chemical structure for different substances reacts in far different effects and side effects...

As to the main question, legality of MDMA would definitely improve certain people's lives who have never tried it as well as many of those who already use...I won't try and discuss the time period when this could actually happen, as Brian has already done a fine job of this...I will say that I think there are many people in the masses who don't need to try or use MDMA, but the very illegal status of the chemical already draws many ignorant, immature and crowd followers to it, a change in the legal status might even further deter the young and too-trendy...
 
Orpheus420 said:
but the very illegal status of the chemical already draws many ignorant, immature and crowd followers to it, a change in the legal status might even further deter the young and too-trendy...
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I totally agree with you. The drug laws actually fuels usage of the substances they are designed to regulate. And results in a market (i.e., a law enforcement market, and an illicit drug market) which is self perpetuating simply due to the laws that are in place.

Before drugs like cocaine and heroin were regulated, there wasn't a great deal of abuse. They were even promoted in newspapers (heroin was promoted as a "non-addictive" cough medication 8( - and Freud proclaimed that cocaine was the wonder cure for neurosis 8) ).

Then, after the drug prohibition laws came into effect, we start to see a "drug problem" emerging. And law enforcement agencies benefit because they receive increased budgets to enforce these laws. It ends up becoming a triangle, with law enforcement on one side, the blackmarket on the other, and the citizen in the middle.


Cigarette smoking is a good example of how education and treatment (verses legislation) has led to successful social change. There are no laws regulating cigarette sales and use (except in terms of age and area restrictions), yet there are a great many people who do not smoke today. They didn't (and could not have here in the states due to the tobacco lobbies) legislate use, but took on a program of education and treatment. It worked!

For the life of me, I can not understand why the bozos in Washington (or Berlin, Canberra, Copenhagen, Dublin, London, Madrid, Ottawa, Paris, Rome, Tokyo, Wellington, etc.) can not understand and realize this. 8(

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Alright longe term plans to do this. First we need 1 republican and 1 democrat from each state on bluelight to run for senate. In your speeches so I will help the economy like a bluelight special helps Kmart. (thus we know you) Second hopefully you have sucesfully gotten into the senate start voting on the bills to pass legalization. Have shrinks help lobby. Third we need some lawyer types to make it to the supreme courts justice. President can and might veto it just pass the bill again. Having justices on our side will help prevent the supreme court from stopping this all dead in the water. More to come later. (never work but just a long winded thought.);) ;) ;)
 
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