How do we bring MDMA to the masses?

[VelocideX]

^^ the problem is recreational drug use can be seen as a rebellion against authority... the fact that it shows you possibilities other than what you've been told means that the government's authority is diminished....

 

[duneonthemoon]

On another note...

(correct me if i'm wrong)

Why don't bluelight organise some gatherings for like minded ecstascy appreciating folk? Organise dance parties with distinctive messages of what we are doing, promoting safe and responsible drug use.

hmm how do i put this in a positive way. Bluelight offers so much in the way of good information, feedback, understanding and ofcourse the promotion of safe drug use.

But bluelight could be oh so much more. I'm not entirely sure on the excact numbers, but im guessing there are quite a few members, and from many different countries.
Bluelight at the moment helps itself, it is a well structured community. But it is becoming obvious (in accordance to this thread) that we need more.

Hmm how to explain. Ok so we go out every weekend or every couple of months and have interested experiences all relating to safe recreational drug use, and come back here on the internet and tell anyone who wants to listen all our thoughts.

But it's only among us, like why can't we take bluelight out into society? Why do we have to hide ourselves away?
I'm guessing in capital cities its very different to my sheltered little life in canberra, but yeh.

Hmm what im trying to say is, that this community has so much to say about drugs and other stuff (especially thought and awareness) and we only keep it to ourselves. It seems from this thread that people wanna be out there and are sick of living in a society that doesnt accept there choices of a free-er mind.
We need a voice, maybe i'm wrong but i think bluelight could really become something to express that voice.

 

[VelocideX]

I'm not speaking on behalf of the bluelight administrators here

If bluelight starts to actively promote parties I believe it would lose its independence; it could be seen to be promoting drug use in some sense, and it wouldn't become a board for harm minimisation in and of itself -- it would have a vested interest in the scene.

Moreover -- where is the money going to come from? Dance parties are not cheap. And how would you split the money between countries? Between cities.

If you wish to raise this idea with the administrators, I suggest you contact them

 

[duneonthemoon]

Ok so the idea is a little out there.

But you gotta break it down a bit.

I just agree, mdma is something that shouldnt be hidden n shit.

sorry for ruining da thread.

 

[djfusion777]

sorry for ruining da thread.

You haven't ruined anything mate, I like your ideas.

If we want our substances to become more socially acceptable we've gotta do something about it, break the brainwashing cycle

 

[sourlemone]

As soon as our generation supercede the current lawmakers and start making our own laws. So, give it 30-50 years and we might see the beginnings of legalized/decriminalized/tolerated recreational drug (usage.) By then we'll be geriatrics but hey, it's all good on drugs.

My prediction is that we'll see REAL drug AWARENESS campaigns in schools as opposed to fear-orientated drug education within the next 10 years or so...then again the zero tolerance policy seems to be going strong and as long as our wonderful prime minister keeps on sucking bush's balls we probably won't see much of a change in drug policy over here until something changes...

 

[Brian Oblivion]

I think to make an effective statement it is necessary to go beyond the notion of a rave or mass social gathering. These already have been occurring, and the extreme right in the United States responded with the RAVE act.

I think that it is more effective to provide studies to the public demonstrating that the "harm" to society which the drug war is attempting to "save us from" is nothing more than a strawman (the exact same strawman that prohibition tried to save society from in the US during the 1930s). At the same time, it would be critical to address the real issues regarding drug use problems by proposing effective educational programs and treatment programs.

But to get this kind of information into the public eye is difficult. It takes non-threatening political activism. If anything should be done from a large scale group standpoint, it should be peaceful marches. Promoting something like a "Drug War Awareness Day." Highlighting the names of those who are in prison for being caught with one joint. Pointing to the overall social and fiscal harm that the Drug War produces. Revealing the falsified science that has been applied to justify the Drug War.

It needs to be shown that the Drug War is the problem, not that legislation can be fun.


I would love to see millions of people gather for a march on Washington to protest the 20th anniversary of the scheduling of MDMA (with smaller protests being organized on the local level). But, something like thing would take a lot of planning, and there are inherent dangers that could arise which would need to be planned for. Social activism can turn violent (no matter how ideal the spirit of march would be), and that would need to be avoided at all costs because it would serbe to do nothing but validate the far right's argument.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

sourlemone,

I wouldn't count on "this generation" saving the world from social conservatism. Although it may seem to be the case, I have already seen this fall to the way side with my generation.

In the 1960's people were far more politically active than they were today. Every time I think back to those times I hear in my head a crowd screaming "The Whole World is Watching! The Whole World is Watching!" There was the intense feeling all around that social change was in the air. That "we" had finally tipped the balance. This mindset was everywhere: on the college campus', in the streets, in almost all of the music of the time. I permeated every aspect of young society.

And it scared the loving hell out of what was then referred to as the "establishment."


But where are "they" today? How did we go from "my generation" protesting the war in Viet Nam, to this same generation voting for George W. Bush???

In a very real sense I am profoundly disappointed in "my generation." There has never been a more politically active group of American youth in the United States (and around the world for that matter) then there was in he 1960s. And they all "sociologically dissolved" into the conservative culture after that time.

 

[David]

^^^ Brian you forgot, that all it takes is one man/woman to start a revolution. I'm willing to follow, but is anyone willing to lead? If I help, will somemone start?

What I'm trying to get at is, that we're ready. It just takes someone to start it. I'm doing my part. Are you willing to do your's?













Yes, I'm crazy.

 

[snakjaw]

watching the peter jennings 'ecstasy rising' special really made me believe that it is possible to turn more mainstream people on to a substance i consider powerfully beneficial when used responsibly.

reading the 'how ecstasy changed my life' thread really got me thinking. i think this world would be a better place if everyone tried MDMA. i really do.

any thoughts?

The optimist in me agrees. The pessimist in me says that most people are too fucked up to know how to benefit E without a lot of one-on-one hand-holding.

I would consider the human/cultural factors that go into it. I doubt the drug is enough by itself.

 

[djfusion777]

^^^ Brian you forgot, that all it takes is one man/woman to start a revolution. I'm willing to follow, but is anyone willing to lead? If I help, will somemone start?

I'd imagine that most bluelighters are willing to follow, certainly a very large percentage anyway. Most of us would surely like our substances to be readily available risk free, right

I agree with the point about the 1960's though, how I'd love another revolution like that to take place %)

 

[duneonthemoon]

i swear.

We are a lazy generation.

"yeah lets start a revolution... you do it... and i'll join it... maybe"

I'm not paying anyone out, i'm excactly the same.

Revolutions mostly occur out of desperate need for change, not a few pill heads who just don't want to buy good pills wholesale. lol.

Sometimes i get so emotional about this kind of topic, but then we look at the world we live in, all the consumerism, all the big corporation with products lodged in your brain.
If they gave us ecstascy it wouldn't be giving us freedom.

I asked myself if it was the ecstascy i wanted, or the freedom from the machine.

If we whinge long enough, sign enough petitions, give them enough evidence they'll legalise ecstascy and lsd and anything you want.

I would give all the free and legal drugs in the world to be free of consumerism, to be free of the system, to not have my name in any electorol (?) roll.

eh kinda lost touch with the thread.

 

[sourlemone]

sourlemone,

I wouldn't count on "this generation" saving the world from social conservatism. Although it may seem to be the case, I have already seen this fall to the way side with my generation.

very true, conservatism comes with age. I'm too much of an idealist to see the bleaker picture though

 

[Brian Oblivion]

^^^ Brian you forgot, that all it takes is one man/woman to start a revolution. I'm willing to follow, but is anyone willing to lead? If I help, will somemone start?

What I'm trying to get at is, that we're ready. It just takes someone to start it. I'm doing my part. Are you willing to do your's?

I don't think that a revolution (in the classical sense, anyway) would have the desired effect. But maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "revolution."

What I think "revolution" Ken State comes to mind, riots, angry marches with people holding up clenched fists, civil disobedience (and arrests resulting from it). If that is kind of what you mean, I believe that it wouldn't be effective in changing drug laws. I suspect that it would have the opposite effect, and make everything even tighter. George "Orwell" Bush (and company) would invent the latest label: "Social Terrorism" (*social disagreement"=terrorism), and ever Tom, Dick and Harry on FoxNews would be rallying up the battle call (because they will rally up anything that Bush says, regardless of how stupid it is).

I think that something more along the lines of an informed, respectable, friendly political movement would be needed. It would need to focus on "out of control" government spending, and provide solutions that middle American would agree with.


There are already organizations fighting the good fight in this. But as far as I can see, none of them are taking this to middle America.

 

[VelocideX]

In relation to the terrorism point, I still think its amusing that all the top world bodies admit that the drug trade funds terrorism to a significant extent... (and organised crime more generally)

You've got two options. Legalise it, and eliminate all profit, or try and ban it, and spend shitloads on enforcement and still not suceed.

Which option would you take? Which do they take?

 

[Bad_Boy_Blue]

Think about one of the most basic tests they have for anti-depressants; they allow mice to self-administer the substance in question, and it is deemed to be addictive if the mice prefer the substance to a placaebo (e.g. water). To me this shows that the current thinking regarding drugs is fundamentally flawed. I mean think about it - if there were a drug that really made you feel wonderful, of course you would want to self-administer it (this isn't necessarily a bad thing). They wont allow people to legally take ecstacy because it works. If it works, they can't sell their other patented SSRI's etc.

 

[djfusion777]

Plus, legal ecstasy pills would contain around 10mg of mdma, but still cost as much as they are today illegally.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

^^^
Huh??? Think again.

In a competitive marketplace:

a) Company (1) sells a subsubstandard product.
b) Company (2) enters the market sells an improved product, but at the same price as "Company (1)."

Using easily understandable economics, which company will see an increase in sales (i.e., higher demand) and increased profits?


You're argument holds no water.

 

[VelocideX]

They wont allow people to legally take ecstacy because it works. If it works, they can't sell their other patented SSRI's etc.

It's OK to self-administer caffeine and alcohol because they've been ingrained into our society, apparently. But self-administration of anything else leads to addiction!

I, for one, know all about caffeine addictions. Hell people in my classes always make jokes about how they're addicted to caffeine and they're so tired etc etc... It's really interesting that people are willing to joke so freely about one type of addiction and condemn another.

 

[PassMeTheVicks]

watching the peter jennings 'ecstasy rising' special really made me believe that it is possible to turn more mainstream people on to a substance i consider powerfully beneficial when used responsibly.

reading the 'how ecstasy changed my life' thread really got me thinking. i think this world would be a better place if everyone tried MDMA. i really do.

could we @ bluelight be the beginning of a responsible use campaign? i made some stickers that say "MDMA: in MoDeration, it's MAgic", and have begun putting them up in the L.A. area. also, i've tried to show the peter jennings thing to everyone i know, and have already gotten some converts. baby steps, but if we can start convincing people that the positives outweigh the negatives, we can make this world a better place.

any thoughts?

LOL yea, dude youre my hero! Stickers, spreading, baby steps! That sounds so awesome. (Im being honest!)

Keep it up bro


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