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trainboy55

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watching the peter jennings 'ecstasy rising' special really made me believe that it is possible to turn more mainstream people on to a substance i consider powerfully beneficial when used responsibly.

reading the 'how ecstasy changed my life' thread really got me thinking. i think this world would be a better place if everyone tried MDMA. i really do.

could we @ bluelight be the beginning of a responsible use campaign? i made some stickers that say "MDMA: in MoDeration, it's MAgic", and have begun putting them up in the L.A. area. also, i've tried to show the peter jennings thing to everyone i know, and have already gotten some converts. baby steps, but if we can start convincing people that the positives outweigh the negatives, we can make this world a better place.

any thoughts?
 
Sounds good to me, but my theory is that the government just doesn't care. It's a conspiracy to keep Americans depressed. Depressed people spend more money so why would they want everyone being insanely happy.
 
I belive Maps is a very good beginning. As some of you may know Maps (www.maps.org) recently got a permit to test mdma in psychotherapy. Since I belive this would give some wonderful results in therapy , this will hopefully let people know that there are plenty of positive sides to mdma not just a drug that causes holes in our crazy brains.

As for everyone, I`m not quite sure. Since I too belive that everyone would benefit greatly from trying mdma at least once. But a lot of people don`t have the self control to use mdma without going on to abuse.

But I`m not saying no or yes, just I don`t know.
 
unicorngoddess said:
Sounds good to me, but my theory is that the government just doesn't care. It's a conspiracy to keep Americans depressed. Depressed people spend more money so why would they want everyone being insanely happy.
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Nice theory but have you ever gone shopping while on E? I swear if they legalize it I am taking stock in every toy store and spencers store I can.;)
 
No stores with any fun toys or gadgets? Man that would suck I feel like a kid walking in toys R us for the first time while on E. Only difference now is I have money. All the glowy and vibrating toys now. I have some neat light up balls cosmic balls or something 3 of em on a string and god the things I can do with em. Only problem is I floor myself when doing tricks with em. :D
 
^^^ We just got those last week too and they are pretty freakin' cool.

I've never been shopping on E, but I can only imagine what would happen if I walked into a Spencers while I was rolling. Umm...I think now I should probably hide my credit cards before I roll ;)
 
Just be very careful "preaching" about the joys of MDMA... There are laws in many countries about inciting/encouraging criminal activity -- you may attract the penalty of one of them if you go too far and wide.
 
VelocideX said:
Just be very careful "preaching" about the joys of MDMA... There are laws in many countries about inciting/encouraging criminal activity -- you may attract the penalty of one of them if you go too far and wide.
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This is exactly the problem. You'd need to totally re-engineer governments and society to achieve tolerance of these substances, never mind everyone experiencing the positive effects of them.

Mardy gits :(
 
I don't honestly know if you should go around bringing MDMA to the masses.. I was helped very much by it, but probably won't introduce my younger sister to it. She's already well-adapted socially and doesn't need it.

I say introduce it to your depressed friends, have a talk with them while on it, and leave the happy people alone. After all, recent studies have shed new doubt on our knowledge of its neurotoxicity.
 
Here's my guess:

Some time within the next 20 to 50 years recreational drug use will not be illegal, and will be regulated in much the same way that alcohol is today. This will result first due to the financial strain that drug enforcement places on government budgets (this has already begun to occur in the Russian Federation).

After that, there will (to some degree) be less and less stigma placed on it, and initially small startups with begin supplying the chemical drug market. Eventually the major pharmaceutical companies will begin looking into recreational drug use as a viable commercial market (this also is occurring with "recreational" pharmaceuticals such as Viagra). And they will pore more research money into identifying and exploiting the pleasure centers of the brain.

This will lead to whole new classes of recreational drugs, designed to straddle both pleasure enhancement and health safety. One avenue which I believe will be followed is neuro-receptor specific affinities, so that only highly specific receptors are activated (or suppressed). And doing this with drug mixtures to invoke a specific pleasure response (or collection of specific pleasure responses in concert).

This could even begin to happen within the next 5 years, as the environment "seems" ripe for it (both financially and culturally). But, if not, I feel certain within the next 20 to 50 years (unless some major social calamity occurs and redefines our societies).

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Brian Oblivion said:
Here's my guess:

Some time within the next 20 to 50 years recreational drug use will not be illegal, and will be regulated in much the same way that alcohol is today. This will result first due to the financial strain that drug enforcement places on government budgets (this has already begun to occur in the Russian Federation).

After that, there will (to some degree) be less and less stigma placed on it, and initially small startups with begin supplying the chemical drug market. Eventually the major pharmaceutical companies will begin looking into recreational drug use as a viable commercial market (this also is occurring with "recreational" pharmaceuticals such as Viagra). And they will pore more research money into identifying and exploiting the pleasure centers of the brain.

This will lead to whole new classes of recreational drugs, designed to straddle both pleasure enhancement and health safety. One avenue which I believe will be followed is neuro-receptor specific affinities, so that only highly specific receptors are activated (or suppressed). And doing this with drug mixtures to invoke a specific pleasure response (or collection of specific pleasure responses in concert).

This could even begin to happen within the next 5 years, as the environment "seems" ripe for it (both financially and culturally). But, if not, I feel certain within the next 20 to 50 years (unless some major social calamity occurs and redefines our societies).

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I look forward to it =D
 
^^ That is right on... I think eventually governments will realize how much strain and undue pressure the war against drugs is placing on the world economy. I'm not really hip on what's going on in many other countries, but at least in the U.S., that transformation will take a while, i.e., a few more presidents...

All we need is time kids... all we need is time. :)
~Decibel
 
Brian Oblivion said:
Here's my guess:

Some time within the next 20 to 50 years recreational drug use will not be illegal, and will be regulated in much the same way that alcohol is today. This will result first due to the financial strain that drug enforcement places on government budgets (this has already begun to occur in the Russian Federation).
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A fantastic idea, and one I've also thought about... Unfortunately the whole thing will stem around the US's attitude towards drugs. They're extremely hardline as it is, and it will take some very progressive politics to change that.

Moreover most of the "first world" will probably follow the US's lead.. the International Narcotics Control Board (UN) seems to possess many of the same views at the US does. Hell, the UN is often subject to overbearing US pressure anyway....

I don't feel that the UK, nor Australia (especially Australia) nor many European countries will make the move until the US does.
 
I whole heartedly agree. The US is the pivital factor in world drug policy change here.

But the good news (bad news for us here in the states) is that the US is going broke thanks to George Bush. The US national debt is at the highest it has ever been in US history (George has been acting like a little kid with daddy's charge card).

Assuming that George Bush isn't re-elected, the next president will be facing a huge deficit. And this will cause the more "reasonable" politicians to focus on bringing the deficit under control.

It is possible that over time, due to the huge deficit, politicians will place less importance on drug enforcement spending. Especially, if "we" keep pressing cheaper alternatives (such as legalization to drastically reduce crime and prison costs, and reasonable drug education and treatment policies).

These factors "could" (but not necessarily will) have an impact over the next 4 to 8 years. And result in a change in thinking about the "problem" in the political culture.

Plus, it is good that the Russian Federation has changed their laws (even if only out of self interest due to cost reductions), because it could potentially establish a model (lowered crime, reduced prison population, etc.). Let's hope that this solves all of Russia's financial problems (yeah, right :) ) so that other governments can ponder their success.


That's my take on the current state of possibilities. This could all swing in a lot of different directions. But, as I see it, due to the current budget deficit in the US, and the incredibly high cost of enforcement and prison maintenance, this could lead to an actual change in the drug/politic environment.

And once the US changes, it becomes a house of cards (hopefully, anyway).

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how do you do it?

You rave like you never have before! and you get all your friends, and there friends and there friends to rave!

Show them that all we wanna do is enjoy one of the most incredible and relatively (well you know..) safe drugs in an extremely controlled and awesome environment.

The reason these things are illegal is substance abuse. It's like proving to your parents your old enough to take there car out for the first time.

It's all about responsibility. You gotta filter out all of those people who take drugs for the wrong reasons.

The last time I took E, i was at this big rave and i'd never been to a big one before. The people there were just incredible, soo many people dedicated to have a good time responsibly.

"imagine the worlds leaders on pills... then imagine the morning after"

As soon as they do a massive study on the exact effects of MDMA that's when they'll decide to give it to masses or not.

Its so good that people are commited to this cause, and thats what we need, people determined to show the world the benefits of this magical drug.

I always find it funny though, how close we will come to the novel Brave New World. The first time i took ecstacy, within moments of coming up, i turned to a friend and said "this will be 'soma'" He just sorta stared at me with massive dinner plate eyes, eh it made sense to me lol.
 
Brian Oblivion said:
It is possible that over time, due to the huge deficit, politicians will place less importance on drug enforcement spending. Especially, if "we" keep pressing cheaper alternatives (such as legalization to drastically reduce crime and prison costs, and reasonable drug education and treatment policies).
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Legalisation brings a double benefit - reduced costs for drug enforcement, and extra income from taxation.
 
I don't think taking them to a rave is the best option -- many people simply don't like the music, nor the idea of thousands of people getting rather fucked up on drugs, some of them as young as 14.

I think that a small house party is the best way to introduce people :)
 
Yeah true true.

Well hmm. There's two ways you gotta look at it i guess.

There are people who want to enjoy simply for its affects, sit around with friends, having an awesome experience and being able to socialise on a different level.

For me, ecstacy at rave is perfect. The stimulation you recieve from lights, lasers and wicked music just makes the whole experience almost orgasmic.

Maybe thats the way to present the case to the governments. Show them how ecstacy is diverse. IT gives the youth a safe and controlled place to meet. It also works for what you were talking about.

Sometimes it makes me so angry that these governments are meant to be there for our benefit, yet sometimes i feel so controlled by these friendly people who are only looking out for my best interest.

Imagine going to a government funded event. You recieve your appropriate quota of ecstacy (to do with body weight and other such things) as you walk in the door. They provide all the facilities, from the music, lights, to the water and places you can chill out with your friends.
Grr we need people who can see ecstacy as an advantage.
See at these events they can sit everyone down on the come-up, and give them information relative to there lives i.e tax information, housing, money etc. GRRRR they could make life so much better for us, we get ripped off.
 
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