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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

How do raves get away with this?

what about at raves with "strict searches"

like the ones that are very big and have huge promotion and yet somehow drugs are snuck in.

do they use the word strict just to scare you? or is it something to tell people that want to catch them that they are safe?
 
OP this thread will probably lead to busts now that the online collective has been made aware. Two Words: Drug Ring
 
hey guys be very carefull I do security at raves and trust me there are under cover cops in all of them, its rare they bust ppl with or two but if your moving numbers they will get you

cops are people too, yea

they dont give a fuck, but if ur being an obvious then yeah they're gonna DO THEIR JOBS.
 
I always get people coming up to me trying to sell various drugs though they never had badges on, thats a bit suss... but I have a rule anyway that I NEVER buy drugs at a rave or club, firstly because you never know if its an undercover...once aponn a time I was naive enough to think I could point out all plain clotes cops but now im smarter than that after being done for non-drug related things by plain clothes cops that didnt look like cops. The other reason I dont buy off people dont know is because the pills or whatever could be fake, shit or PMA or something just as bad, I simply dont trust most people and im not about to go buy a pill tester and bring it everywhere I go...hmmm that makes me think, I wonder if they'd let you in with a pill tester? I doubt it.
 
This Reminds me of Ontario Hempfest.There are raves there too.
Any ways,you can get whatever you want.There was a Camper Trailer there with a huge sign with the words:

Marijuana
Mushrooms
Acid
XTC

Coke and H and other opiates were on the downlow for some reason,you had to ask for them.

I Suspect the same reason these raids might get away with this may be the same theory behind Ontario Hempfest.

The Police Cant go in (hempfest) Because It's on Private Property,and They have their own Hired Security
 
I live in Ohio and we haven't had good raves in years, security got so bad at afro-core events that everyone started selling fake pills and ripping people off, and if you did have good pills and get caught they would arrest you. THats selling or buying, this was about 8 years ago, that's the last time i went to a rave. We used to have kickass raves where you didn't have to hide anything, people would hold jars a pills above there head and a few would give samples away, because they knew you would be back to buy, but you had to be in the doors right when the rave started, but that was 12 -14 years ago, it don't happen like that now.

Me and most of my fellow raver freinds have all settled down now and only go to outdoor fests now, less cops per sq. ft. and easier to sell and buy, but even the fests changed alot
from years ago, to many young kids selling pipes and bullshit and dox as acid the scene has went to shit. PLUR
 
Theyre just a bunch of ppl that dance and takes ecstasy. Maybe the cops just dont care and have better things to do :-).
It' s not like those people are criminal and are a threat to society.
 
A festival i went to had a cop sneak in through the gate one night in an unmarked car....

people throwing the event looked around, found the guy, and kicked him out....

The scene around here is pretty small, its easy to spot all of the familiar faces....

and odds are if your talking to someone whos pupils are so large that they have no color to them at all, the guy isn't a cop because its unlikely a cop would be rolling balls at a rave trying to bust people. Really the only reason an undercover can take drugs is if they feel in danger of their life...
 
in the maritimes the rave scene ain't huge but it gets around the city. all the ones i have been to the cops have useually been hanging around at some point in the night but they rairly get in. there was one time an undercover busted some guy rite at the begining of the night, probly just after most people were starting to feel it, and the whole thing got shut down. so we just moved all the dj's and people to someones house and it turned into a sick house party lol. would have been pissed if that was the end of the night before it even began
 
This is how companies like "Triad Dragons" and stuff have been doing it for ages..
Whoever rents the venue picks the security. Lame ? yes
 
I've thought this over a lot.

I think it just comes down to promoters being unbelievably people-smart. Seriously, I think this career requires more in the way of street smarts than even most business jobs, because you have to be polite and well spoken enough to impress the local authorities and land/business-owners, hard enough to not get fucked with by a largely outside-the-law clientele, and business savvy enough to deal smoothly with head-swelled entertainers who lie about how sellable they are.

You can bet that any promoter who has any chance of surviving has 'reached an understanding' ;) with the local police. I don't count any promoters as friends, but I've met a few in passing. These are people who are not in the least way scared or able to be intimidated, even walking into the private offices of people who very much do not approve of what they do or who they serve, and have the power to take them down.

Many promoters I've met claim to never use drugs (anymore). Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, because the point is it's a politically smart thing to claim, for the sake of the scene's survival at the mercy of the authorities.

I think most of the cops you see at medium to large sized raves are there on a quid pro quo agreement with the promoter(s). We won't shut down your party, and won't dig deeper than the obvious when picking off criminals, as long as you allow us to maintain a visible presence there, and your party doesn't damage any property or disturb anyone outside.

Another way to look at it is this: Law enforcement, on some level, knows that they cannot ever get rid of a drug-using subset of the population. So the best they can do is corral them all together and let them do their thing under supervision. Any LE spokesperson would be hard pressed to admit this, though.
 
^ Very well said. I agree 100%. What kind of scares me though is sometimes I see what appears to be a disconnect in the chain of "understanding". Like I can see all the cops in the briefing room and the chief saying something along the lines of

"OK. For some fucking reason this thing has been approved and this is what we are here to do. These are our main objectives blah blah blah blha but don't be afraid to go a little tough on these punks. We know why they are here and what they are doing. I don't care what (person above me in rank) said let's get these fuckers."

I've noticed that this is also kind of a geographical thing. Surprisingly I've never seen anything like this in Los Angeles but some places like San Bernardino you can tell that the cops are not happy about what is going on in their neighborhood.

Like you said MDAO it's all a very fine balance of PR, money and "understanding".
 
same question i asked myself.
but whatever, im sure cops would know.
i think as long as they don't see money and drugs transfer over.
 
i have seen dealers taken down by undercover cops in LA....in happens very quick....tackled and handcuffed in seconds and led out of the rave into a squad car.
 
Thats stupid because ppl can get really hurt if they get a meth bomb or something else. They should be arresting THOSE people!
 
Thats stupid because ppl can get really hurt if they get a meth bomb or something else. They should be arresting THOSE people!

Which people?

You're right that no one should sell meth bombs.

I highly doubt that pills get confiscated by security and sold back to the public. Those pills could contain anything. Security would only want to sell good E since they are affiliated with the rave.
 
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