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Holding in the smoke-- higher?

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For me holding it in for ridiculous lengths of time opposed to just the standard 3 - 5 seconds doesn't make much differance at all, not noticably anyway.

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This thread is filled with so much misinformation im surprised nobody has called for this thread to be closed, lol. Holding in your hit more then a few seconds is not going to be beneficial, it's simply going to deprive you of oxygen... which will make you feel more high, but thats not really increasing the cannabis high.
 
Chainer said:
This thread is filled with so much misinformation im surprised nobody has called for this thread to be closed, lol. Holding in your hit more then a few seconds is not going to be beneficial, it's simply going to deprive you of oxygen... which will make you feel more high, but thats not really increasing the cannabis high.
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Well, do you have a source to back up that claim?

Because with some substances it is beneficial, like DMT... Salvia... etc.
 
Those substances do not work on CBD/Ns and THC, they are completely different drugs. The rate at which those drugs absorb into your lungs and thus into your blood stream are highly different. You're comparing inhaling DMT to cannabis, which might as well be crack cocaine to cannabis - they are completely different in chemical make up and in how they effect the brain - the rate it release from the post synapse and is picked up from dendrites to axon terminals to your brain's hyppocampus' CB receptors is totally different. I'm not going to go searching for a source, but if you use the search engine, there are plenty of threads very similar to this one here, which is why I'm surprised it's still open. I left it open because it seems to be getting active posts and that alone is reason enough to leave it on, unless i see more rampant misinformation - this is a HR forum afterall.
 
No, I'm not comparing DMT to cannabis. I'm asking, if X is true for DMT, what is true for cannabis? Not saying X is true for DMT, X is true for cannabis. Doesn't have to be DMT, that was just an example.
 
You're comparing inhaling DMT to cannabis, which might as well be crack cocaine to cannabis - they are completely different in chemical make up and in how they effect the brain - the rate it release from the post synapse and is picked up from dendrites to axon terminals to your brain's hyppocampus' CB receptors is totally different.
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I don't think the pharmacology of the drug is really that relevant here, all that we're interested in is what happens to the drug between inhalation and exhalation. Its pharmacological and metabolic fate once it's made it into the blood is of little importance. The reason I've left it open is that I'm hoping that, from somewhere deep in all the "yeah bro it takes 4 seconds for real", some detailed data from a reliable source will spring forth.
 
^ agreed.

Some here, including Red Rum (post #14) and myself, have had experiences of sharing smoke with a second person, and the second person gets high.

I think that, in lieu of the type of evidence that Vader has described, it makes sense to organize ourselves and test this idea.

My proposal is this:
All you bluelighters interested in this question, do the following test, and report the results here.

2 partipants minimum
First person smokes as usual (through a pipe, bong, etc.), holding in the smoke for 5 seconds.
After holding it for 5 seconds, s/he blows it into the mouth of the second person (possibly via a tube of some sort, such as a paper towel roll), who inhales and holds in the smoke for at least 5 seconds.
Continue until the first person is completely blazed. =D
It might be necessary to wait a few more minutes, for the second person to clearly ascertain the extent of their high.
Then write down this information:

- Total number of hits taken
- Strength of weed used (especially relevant is a comparison with the weed the participants typically smoke)
- Tolerance of second person (how much s/he is used to smoking to get high)
- How high the second person got
- If the second person's high was a typical high, or atypical (and if atypical, a description of how). (In this way, we might be able to hazard a guess as to which chemicals, if any, are still present in the smoke in sufficient quantities.)

By doing it in this way, we can collect some interesting data that, while not quite the same as knowing plasma levels of THC etc., should help us find out if cannabis smoke retains reasonable levels of the chemicals we enjoy after 5 seconds in someone's lungs.

I chose 5 seconds because it is longer than many people here claim is necessary, but not so long that there is little hope of seeing any result.
(I also chose this because, when I tried this with a girlfriend, I held the smoke in for about 5 seconds, and she got very high, so I believe that, unless our circumstances were special, we have hope of seeing some consciousness alteration in the second person).

(If anyone wants to improve or refine this methodology, please feel free to say how and why, and hopefully we can achieve some kind of consensus in order to maximize data points and minimize variability/ alternative possible explanations).
 
after years of daily smoking i've found holding my hits for 10 seconds the best. any longer than that is pointless
 
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I know with smoking you're not supposed to hold in your hits until the smoke is all absorbed.

I've seen people do what's called "ghosting" where they hold in the large amount of smoke so much that very little or none comes out.

What about with vapor? Are you supposed to hold that in as long as you can or not? On a vaporizing forum people frequently post about how if you vaporize it's best to hold the vapor in until it is all absorbed.
 
I've heard that 95% of the THC is absorbed after 6 seconds, so holding it in longer probably won't make a noticeable difference.
 
yes, for the most part the longer you hold it in, the higher youll get. but this doesnt mean you should try to hold it in for 10+ seconds, a good 5 second inhalation is good enough. another big factor is how strongly you inhale, try to suck air into your lungs somewhat vigorously. not as hard as you can, but a good burst of air into the lungs. i also tend to take 2-3 hits before i even exhale. doing this will increase your high, as opposed to how most people smoke.
 
^ Yeah, thats really the key factor to the original question here, and since no one has yet provided any (sources), the question remains unanswered.
 
kaywholed posted an abstract of a study, not as detailed as it might be but it's certainly a start.
 
^ Thanks, I hadn't noticed. I'll check it out.

EDIT: Huh - Interesting. I have a hard time believing that its just placebo, but you never know. I'd like to see a closer perspective of how that study went down. I'm a bit confused by the way they measured intake by Carbon Monoxide levels...
 
Vader said:
^I was under the impression that crack users usually held the smoke down for as long as they could, and I have also found this to be the most effective way to smoke DMT.
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It's very unnecessary. I have only had the unfortunate experience to use crack once, and I definitely felt it before I exhaled the smoke. I only took 1 or 2 seconds holding it in at the most.

I think what happens is people start fiending for a rush that starts getting depleted quickly, so in order to try to get every last bit of the experience they think they can possibly get out of it, a crack user might start holding the smoke in a long time.

I fail to see how this helps though. Methamphetamine is the same way. So is heroin.

As for DMT - there's nothing wrong with holding it in IMO, as it is awesome to feel the effects of this drug before you start exhaling. I don't remember using it recently so I couldn't say if it's "necessary"; my instinct is that it's not but I don't have enough DMT experience to say either way.

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I have read up on that since I am a big fan of conserving weed. 3 seconds is really the magic mark from what I have heard, after that you are mostly hurting your lungs and getting a little oxygen deprivation. What does work however is pushing that shit deep into your chest then exhaling as soon as it is all the way to the bottom, if you do it right you should exhale very little smoke. Bongs also get you higher since all the smoke goes from the bowl to deep in your lungs if you do it properly. The other thing that works is just lighting the bowl and not torching, if you torch it a lot less smoke is made for some reason. Not sure as to the exact reason, but I have tested it.

So basically if you want the best hit and the best conservation, buy a smooth hitting glass bong. Pack in like .2 hits, and one or two hit it. That gets me higher then a .3 bowl pack, or a .5 joint.
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The intense heat of a lighter will destroy the cannabinoids. You just want to light some of the plant material, and let the cherry slowly devour the pack/rolled paper product. :)

This is why I will typically put hash/kief in the middle of a pack and not on top.

Vader said:
I don't think the pharmacology of the drug is really that relevant here, all that we're interested in is what happens to the drug between inhalation and exhalation. Its pharmacological and metabolic fate once it's made it into the blood is of little importance. The reason I've left it open is that I'm hoping that, from somewhere deep in all the "yeah bro it takes 4 seconds for real", some detailed data from a reliable source will spring forth.
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I think the pharmacokinetics is very much so important here. :)
 
With Salvia, for example, if you blow the hit out under < 15 - 20 seconds, you are clearly wasting a lot of Salvinorin A. Anybody with experience using Salvia would likely agree.
 
When I lived in Miami I smoked quite a bit of crack and it always seemed to help to hold it in longer. With weed I could never really tell because you don't do things like get jello legs and fall out on weed, maybe that was from lack of oxygen due to my crackhead ass holding my breath for an ungodly long time though who knows. BTW don't smoke crack, it's horrible what it does to people.
 
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