High dose 25C-NBOMe

[twelvesevndi]

Well the scene is still here, I'm alive, I learned, and I LOVE YOU ALL
eheheh

Read the erowid reports of those shoving larger doses than I did through their noses!

you mean the negative reports with titles like
"Too Much too Fast"
"Miscalculation Time Loop of Destruction"
"Trip To Hell"
????

come on...

 

[zaggy]

you mean the negative reports with titles like
"Too Much too Fast"
"Miscalculation Time Loop of Destruction"
"Trip To Hell"
????

come on...

I forget the exact name of the report, but spoke of his friends loving it at 1,000 mics up the nose (with "face-melting visuals"). I'm not trying to excuse or justify my actions. What's done is done!

 

[slo mo]

Who here has taken strong doses of it? What would you say to 1200-1400ug? Worthwhile territory? I have the intention of embarking upon a psychedelic journey in the comfort of my own room. Haven't really been able to find much commentary on this chemical.

Edit and note to those curious: Keep it at 800ugs top

It depends on your tolerance , sensitivity to 25C and the quality of the 25C. I recommend trying lower doses and work your way up, and may 800ug will be your place. Never just dive into NBOMe's at high doses, don't even think of it seriously. Besides the tripping , there could be other issues such as the rapid onset as well as vasoconstriction. Just play it safe, learn your dose and don't become a statistic.

 

[slo mo]

^ In the name of harm reductive principle, thank you sir. I wasn't aware of the vasoconstriction or the steep dose response curve. In the reports I've read, people have seemed to enjoy large doses with minimal effects.

Definitely no allergies. What dose would you recommend to produce the strongest experience without undesired side effects?

we also forgot to ask how you are measuring and dosing this as well as ROA.

Get a good mg scale
weigh out 10mg after scale has been calibrated
add 10mg (min) of dH2o to sterilized vial
wait until totally dissolved, perhaps add some heat but it shouldn't be required if solution sits for a while
use insulin syringe for measuring dose

I don't know your history, but I decided to cover this in the name of harm reduction. What good is all the other info if you are going to eyeball a dose?8(

 

[zaggy]

All true! Thankfully, these were laid on 400ug/unit blotters. I would never even think of buying this in powder form.

 

[slo mo]

Well the scene is still here, I'm alive, I learned, and I LOVE YOU ALL
eheheh

Read the erowid reports of those shoving larger doses than I did through their noses!

the problem is, quality/potency will vary as well as tolerance and the individual. If people can't respect compounds, that is a potential problem. The other issue is bioavailability, how does this become consistent from trip report to trip report? Always play it safe, don't make a mistake dosing too high, especially if you don't have meds to bail you out or a sitter. The idea of a sitter is only so good anyways, so just start low. Maybe you will learn the hard way but lets hope not.

 

[zaggy]

the problem is, quality/potency will vary as well as tolerance and the individual. If people can't respect compounds, that is a potential problem. The other issue is bioavailability, how does this become consistent from trip report to trip report? Always play it safe, don't make a mistake dosing too high, especially if you don't have meds to bail you out or a sitter. The idea of a sitter is only so good anyways, so just start low. Maybe you will learn the hard way but lets hope not.

This was hard enough, and I have learned to refine my respect and responsibility with the chemicals. I was reckless, and I now realize how potentially dangerous that could have been if the circumstances were any different. I finally got to sleep. Just a wee bit of vasoconstriction remaining. Just gonna eat healthily and take care of myself.

 

[klondike_bar]

trip report, or at least a brief synopsis?

 

[zaggy]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/637354-(25C-NBOMe-1-4mg)-Unexperienced-My-Apologies

 

[JuicyJay]

I've taken 1000ug liquid nasally. It was absolutely stunning. The first 30 minutes were extremely intense. My lady and I were tripping in the dark, with just a computer screen playing music visuals. I couldn't look at the screen, nor did I want to keep my eyes shut because of the depth of visuals. I wasn't prepared to trip that hard that quickly. When my mind eased, I enjoyed every bit of it, as did the lady. Colors colors colorsssss everywhere. I thought 2c-b was colorful....but wow this blows that out of the water. Everything was just radiating rainbow in almost complete darkness.

We felt no ill effects whatsoever. Felt very clean and safe. I definitely won't push it more than 1mg though. No thanks!

 

[zaggy]

Sounds great! I didn't find the visuals too impressive myself. They were everywhere, but not as intricate and vivid as LSD, psilocybin, or even mescaline. Music was incredible though— it was enhanced a great deal. This would be a great to rave on or to compose and explore one's instrument in the right dosages (except singing because of the constriction).

1.4mg was honestly almost too much for my body to handle. The vasoconstriction in my shoulder, throat, neck, and arms was really disconcerting. It lingered for a couple days before disappearing. I saw an osteopath (for unrelated reasons) and she could feel it. She helped clear it up. Overdosing on this drug would be an absolutely agonizing and painful death.

They do say that wisdom is the reward for surviving your own stupidity! I'd like to explore this chem in the future having learned my lesson. While not my favorite, it is quite the peculiar molecule.

 

[zaggy]

zaggy it doesn't really help that you have NOW learned your lesson (although I am happy you are okay). You still had to gamble before you would. The real issue is that there's loads more people like you, who will start threads and be adviced against their plans, and then STILL do it. It's such a let down every time. Why do people need to repeat the mistakes of others to learn for themselves? It only has to go wrong once, and you will be left with regret, loathing yourself for being greedy and reckless.

Not 100% of those that responded said that it would be dangerous or unpleasant. Although it would have been wiser to trust the majority, a minority of answers telling tales of 1-2.5mg didn't exactly steer me away.

Yes, I know it was completely unnecessary, but this thread can now solidify (even more) the boundaries between what is a sensible dose and what is not.

I am human, I make mistakes and I can be reckless. But I learn too, which is a good thing.

 

[zaggy]

Yes, 800ug tops because I experienced severe vasoconstriction! I actually ended up taking the total of 1.4mg. Strangely enough, the constriction didn't occur until the psychedelic effects were decreasing in intensity.

The vasoconstriction made me aware of vascular paths in my body I was never previously conscious of! — namely through the left side of my throat and my left upper back and shoulders. It hurt! Serendipity had it that I happened to possess essential oil of lavender, which is a vasodilator! It helped a good deal, but did not cure it. I was a flowery-smelling mess by the end of the night. The trip was great though

And no offense taken, coolzsmoker! We're all human here! I don't exclude the people who get pissed at me from my heart!
I probably sound like such an etard over the net... I'm not, lol!

 

[zaggy]

Edited!
And yaay love love love
And where's that acid right about now? I'll gladly eat 1.4mg of that hehehe

 

[zn13bt]

Not 100% of those that responded said that it would be dangerous or unpleasant. Although it would have been wiser to trust the majority, a minority of answers telling tales of 1-2.5mg didn't exactly steer me away.

There are a lot of posters at BL who are pretty reckless with their dosing. And some people are just insensitive to psychedelics in general and need higher doses than everyone else.

 

[boxednirvana]

Over a year ago I plugged 900 ugs after orally dosing piracetam and let me tell you...IT WAS INTENSE.

I've done high doses of mescaline, LSD and psilocybin and this was more intense than all of them. People that were orally dosing were saying it was a 'toy' so I figured I'd experiment with ROA along with piracetam. What really scared me was the come-up. I knew from oral dosing that 25C plateaus extremely fast and stays there for a long time. When I plugged it I forgot that and after 30 minutes I nearly freaked thinking it was going to keep rising in intensity. After I realized it wasn't going to get stronger, I really enjoyed it. Music was greatly enhanced. Worked on some paintings and the colors were vibrating like crazy. Emotions were rich. Time slowed down to a crawl. Seconds became centuries (and sentrys)

 

[daytryptr]

Over a year ago I plugged 900 ugs after orally dosing piracetam and let me tell you...IT WAS INTENSE.

I've done high doses of mescaline, LSD and psilocybin and this was more intense than all of them. People that were orally dosing were saying it was a 'toy' so I figured I'd experiment with ROA along with piracetam. What really scared me was the come-up. I knew from oral dosing that 25C plateaus extremely fast and stays there for a long time. When I plugged it I forgot that and after 30 minutes I nearly freaked thinking it was going to keep rising in intensity. After I realized it wasn't going to get stronger, I really enjoyed it. Music was greatly enhanced. Worked on some paintings and the colors were vibrating like crazy. Emotions were rich. Time slowed down to a crawl. Seconds became centuries (and sentrys)

Yes... plugged nbomes are pretty intense. I like it because my nose always feels funny after spraying a dose (~600ug) w/hpbcd in it in my nostril. 25b @600ug rectally was one of my favorite nbome expirences, and its significantly more potent than a similar amount dosed nasally ime. I'd say equipotent to about 750-800ug delivered nasally. Definitely want to experiment with 25c via this roa if/when i get my hands on some pure powder. It is kind of weird how they come on so fast, and once your up its pretty much going to stay that way for the whole trip. Less jarring in some ways than other chems that take a while to peak, at least once the initial ride up is over.

 

[Survived Abortion]

zaggy, it's nothing personal, really. I don't like being a negative grump. I was just trying to make a point, and I will always speak up when I see people flying in the face of reason just to get higher. This is because I'm talking from experience, having cut close to the bone on a couple of occasions myself. If you've ever experienced severe vasoconstriction, it's damn scary. It feels - and looks - like you are going to lose your limbs and you feel like a complete fool for doing it to yourself just for a buzz. And of course, if you've read over some of the NBOMe high-dose horror stories involving seizures, rhobdomyolysis, and other nasties (including deaths), you'll get the picture. I'm just trying to help save some asses here, seriously.

All that said though, props to you for providing the trip report, and I'm glad your trip turned out successful overall. 25C was pretty astounding visually for me, and it permanently opened my mind to an ability to creatively visualize things in spacial memory with extraordinary detail. But like you, I prefer to stick to the more worn and comfy terrain of "2Cs, acid, and mushrooms".

And FYI, I haven't read any trip reports of doses in the 1mg range of 25c-nbome causing deaths or OD disasters, as far as I can tell that's pretty much been contained to 25i (and maybe 25b).

Well good. And I'm trying to do my part to help keep it that way, by encouraging people to start off responsibly and learn how their bodies react to safe doses before pushing the envelope. If we didn't say anything it wouldn't be much of a harm reduction forum.

 

[bluedolphin]

Certainly the most reckless example of my own drug use in recent years was my insufflation of ~2mg 25i-nbome. I say about 2mg because I eyeballed this amount out of a 20mg pile. I think I planned on doing 1mg or maybe even less, but it took a bit longer than I expected to kick in and I thought my insufflation technique was a fail so I sniffed the rest.

I don't remember vasoconstriction being an issue. But a nearly 3 day long trip where I was so spun I didn't realize I was even tripping a lot of the time, and couldn't remember I had taken any drugs ... with surreal elements of a high dose antichlorigenic experience mixed in... all kinds of delusions based on a surreal and fantasy non-reality which I couldn't distinguish from reality... yeah, that wasn't what I was going for.

I will never touch an nbome again. Even though I dosed recklessly, IMO they are too powerful and dangerous, with little to none of the insight and benefit of traditional or otherwise respected psychedelics.

Also, I am a person who is supposed to know better and I dosed like that. Imagine what a large number of relatively inexperienced drug users are doing with these nbome chemicals. The ones who aren't even being sold it as "acid".

I don't support the banning of substances, but this stuff should never have been released to the masses.

 

[zaggy]

@Survived Abortion - I appreciate the fact that you were trying to save some asses including mine! Keep it up— your experience and caution is valuable to the community even if it doesn't get through everybody's skull! And it's interesting how it helped you with visual-spatial memory— I experienced this one on a feeling level more than visual or intellectual. Acid has offered immense benefits for me in terms of visual-spatial capacity, as it is one of my weak areas of cognition. I am not a naturally very visually oriented person. It's pretty incredible how differently people react to certain substances.

You're 100% right about the vasoconstriction— I took a moment to reevaluate and assess my decision and decided that it downright tragic (understatement) to my friends and family if it had actually turned out to be fatal. It was painful.