High dose 25C-NBOMe

[zaggy]

Who here has taken strong doses of it? What would you say to 1200-1400ug? Worthwhile territory? I have the intention of embarking upon a psychedelic journey in the comfort of my own room. Haven't really been able to find much commentary on this chemical.

Edit and note to those curious: Keep it at 800ugs top. I experienced severe vasoconstriction at 1.4mg

 

[freedstar]

I found 2.5mg of 25D to be very stimulating. I wanna say to the point of head aches. It felt like I could feel gears in my mind cranking out visuals, which I guess were fantastic. Don't expect anything super weird to happen to you like on high doses of LSD. It was mellow in the sense that I could control my thoughts and emotions easily.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Who here has taken strong doses of it? What would you say to 1200-1400ug? Worthwhile territory? I have the intention of embarking upon a psychedelic journey in the comfort of my own room. Haven't really been able to find much commentary on this chemical.

Have you tried this compound yet? It is exceptionally strong in both sensory and physical effects. 750μg is a strong dose for many.

 

[biffhenderson]

If you are well experienced with strong psychedelics you should have a good time with 1400µ. But, careful with that ax Eugene. Unlike acid you can OD on this stuff. At less than lethal doses you can have a seizure and wake up in the ER. Pay careful attention to your measuring techniques and try 600 or 800µ to see what that's like first, in my opinion.

 

[zaggy]

Have you tried this compound yet? It is exceptionally strong in both sensory and physical effects. 750μg is a strong dose for many.

I haven't tried it yet, but my identical twin has. He says he would have been good at around 800ug and no more. I'm finding myself to be a bit hard headed to psychedelics these days. Intense psychedelic states have gotten pretty comfortable for the most part.

 

[zaggy]

If you are well experienced with strong psychedelics you should have a good time with 1400µ. But, careful with that ax Eugene. Unlike acid you can OD on this stuff. At less than lethal doses you can have a seizure and wake up in the ER. Pay careful attention to your measuring techniques and try 600 or 800µ to see what that's like first, in my opinion.

As I said above, my twin took 400ug and reacted fine to it. They are on perforated blotters at 400ug each, purchased form only one man between the chemist. Would there be worry for adverse reactions at 1400ugs? I'm not prone or predisposed to epilepsy whatsoever.

 

[Survived Abortion]

There's a big difference between 400ug and 800ug. It's not just a case of "double the dose, double the visuals and euphoria". These drugs tend to have a very steep dose response curve, and twice the dose can be magnitudes greater, and more than you expected. Additionally, tolerance to body-load does not necessarily have the same curve as tolerance to mental effects. Even if you are hard-headed to the mental effects, large doses can still produce profound vasoconstriction.

So just because your twin has tried it at 400ug, and says he would be good at 800ug, in no way gives you any sort of justification to jump in to this compound at an insane dose of 1400ug on your maiden voyage. You should always approach every new compound with caution and start at reasonable dosages. To do otherwise would be stupendously reckless, especially with compounds as potent and potentially dangerous as the NBOMes. This is assuming you've tested for allergies first.

 

[zaggy]

^ In the name of harm reductive principle, thank you sir. I wasn't aware of the vasoconstriction or the steep dose response curve. In the reports I've read, people have seemed to enjoy large doses with minimal effects.

Definitely no allergies. What dose would you recommend to produce the strongest experience without undesired side effects?

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

Based off the previous input and your brothers exp...I'd go no higher than 800ug if I were you. You can always take more, there's no reason to overburden your mind, work your way up

*i don't know much of this chem though, basing it only on this input by other blers..I'm just trying to keep you safe!
Honestly it seems way reckless to go above 800 your first go, like was mentioned about the dose response curve...800 is likely much more than double the intensity of four hundred...and Jesus, 1400 is probably twenty times stronger qualitatively than the four hundred! Be safe

 

[daytryptr]

Without tolerance, i find ~750ug 25c to provide a good decently strong experience (bucally, complexed) without too much vasoconstriction. Its plenty visual and very euphoric at this dose for me. Any more than that and it tends to get into uncomfortable overstimulation and vasoconstrictive areas. The psychedelic affects are tolerable at higher doses, at least with 25c (1mg) and 25i (1mg), thats to say its not going to mindfuck you into a bad trip, but the side affects will make it something you won't want to repeat often, if at all ime.

25i at 1mg (250ug complexed nasally misted, 750ug bucally) was extremely visual and euphoric, i'd say as far visually as i've ever been on anything. Like 3 second tracers waving your hand around, and heavy digital/geometric overlay on everything. But the side affects are there, they are not fun and taking something to reduce them is not really safe imho. With 25c at that dosage it feels like the same amount of vasoconstriction/muscle tenseness with slightly less stimulation than 25i. Still to much to feel safe for me personally. 750ug is prob as high as i'll ever go with any of the nbomes in the future, even 25b at that dosage had enough side affects to make it my upper limit, perhaps i'd try it once or twice in my life at 1mg but it doesn't feel safe enough to repeat more than that. But to each his own, just don't ever use beta/alpha blockers with nbomes/phens in general to try and reduce the side affects.

Bear in mind i weigh 135lbs, and this is without a tolerance. If i've taken any kind of 25x a week before theres a tolerance, and any non-nbome psychedelic usually has a 3 day window in terms of tolerance ime. The side affects will still be there, that is to say theres no tolerance for the side affects, just the psychedelic affects which makes taking any nbome with any kind of tolerance kind of pointless imho.

Also bear in mind, that blotters do not guarantee your getting what's advertised in ug, there could be patchy distribution and even if you know/trust the person who laid them tread with caution when dosing high. Its not like acid where that would just be an intense blotter, it could be very uncomfortable or life threatening. I only do high doses with blotters i laid individually myself, or nasally at a slightly reduced dosage measured volumetrically, and weighed out 50mg at a time to ensure theres only a max 50ug variance assuming the scale is off by up to 5mg.

High dose nbomes in general is sketchy territory imho. Work your way up slowly, with weeks in between to eliminate tolerance, and be very skeptical about advertised dosages on non self laid/prepared units.

 

[zaggy]

Thanks for the information, advice, and experience, everyone! This will most likely be my only encounter with this chemical for some time. I want to make it count! I now will definitely not be taking above 1mg.

 

[zaggy]

1.4mg.
1 hour 34 minutes in.
YEEEEEAAAAH
I AM GOOOOOOOOOOD

disclaimer to those reading: never take this much. i realize the stupidity of my actions and will report laughably about them come the morning

 

[Survived Abortion]

Idiot.

What's the point of starting a thread if you're not even going to listen to the advice given. It's people like you who ruin the scene through greedy recklessness.

 

[zaggy]

Oops, that was meant to be 1.2. Depth perception was utterly warped.
1200 mics.

Despite that, I listened to my body and I decided to swallow the rest. After thoroughly reading across many different reports, I knew I wouldn't be lethally dosing myself cutting it off at 1.4.

This thread helped put me in the right direction for where I wanted to go.

Anyways, sorry to rub you the wrong way over cyberspace! Pretty harsh generalizations, sir. Either way, I take full responsibility for my actions.

This is definitely a pretty peculiar chemical and I would have to say I dosed exactly what I wanted— the full experience without complications.~~

~~Edit: vasoconstriction!!

 

[laugh]

I haven't tried it yet, but my identical twin has.

please tell me his name is ziggy

 

[IamMe90]

Idiot.

What's the point of starting a thread if you're not even going to listen to the advice given. It's people like you who ruin the scene through greedy recklessness.

That's a little harsh man, I don't think anyone is going to hurt themselves or ruin the scene from doing 1.2 or 1.4mg of 25c. Strong dose, sure, but no stupider than doing 10 LSD blotters, probably less.

 

[Survived Abortion]

That's a little harsh man, I don't think anyone is going to hurt themselves or ruin the scene from doing 1.2 or 1.4mg of 25c. Strong dose, sure, but no stupider than doing 10 LSD blotters, probably less.

Are you fucking kidding me? There's a huge difference in safety and toxicology between a huge dose of LSD and a huge dose of any NBOMe. People have been taking such doses of LSD for decades without any reported problems. Yet in just a couple of years, with a relative drop in the bucket in terms of numbers of trials, people are already reporting worrisome and uncomfortable body effects at doses well within tolerable mental territory. There have already been deaths and OD disasters associated with these drugs. So no, it is not the same as taking 10 LSD blotters at all.

Everyone in this thread responded with a recommendation to stay well below the 1mg mark, at least for a first trial, with daytryptr writing an extensive post including lots of personal experience detailing the reasons why he believed anything above 750ug is pushing it in to the red line. Yet all our recommendations were ignored and he reported having dosed 1.4mg on his first time out - based solely on the flimsy assumption that because his twin had taken 400ug and had boasted that he could easily take 800ug, it should somehow be safe to immediately take 1400ug as a first-time dose. I had every right to respond how I did.

 

[zaggy]

^ He did have every right to respond how he did. I'm just hoping he doesn't compartmentalize me as a person for doing so, but what can ya do.

And just a note to the community: I am alive. The scene hasn't scene has not been ruined for everybody. Would I recommend anyone else does what I did? NO.

I was able to take care of myself with the side effects rather well with adequate hydration and natural vasodilators.

@Survived Abortion - I was reckless and stupid I'll give ya that. But it was also an incredibly profound trip that I won't be repeating. I've definitely learned my lesson. I think I'll be sticking to the classic 2C-X's, acid, and mushies.

I owe a report on how reckless I was and to reiterate to those like me that a dose like that is cutting it close.

 

[IamMe90]

Are you fucking kidding me? There's a huge difference in safety and toxicology between a huge dose of LSD and a huge dose of any NBOMe. People have been taking such doses of LSD for decades without any reported problems. Yet in just a couple of years, with a relative drop in the bucket in terms of numbers of trials, people are already reporting worrisome and uncomfortable body effects at doses well within tolerable mental territory. There have already been deaths and OD disasters associated with these drugs. So no, it is not the same as taking 10 LSD blotters at all.

Everyone in this thread responded with a recommendation to stay well below the 1mg mark, at least for a first trial, with daytryptr writing an extensive post including lots of personal experience detailing the reasons why he believed anything above 750ug is pushing it in to the red line. Yet all our recommendations were ignored and he reported having dosed 1.4mg on his first time out - based solely on the flimsy assumption that because his twin had taken 400ug and had boasted that he could easily take 800ug, it should somehow be safe to immediately take 1400ug as a first-time dose. I had every right to respond how I did.

Calm the "fuck" down, no need to get so angry. And FYI, I haven't read any trip reports of doses in the 1mg range of 25c-nbome causing deaths or OD disasters, as far as I can tell that's pretty much been contained to 25i (and maybe 25b). And I still think that most of these disaster cases are simply errors resulting from mishandling or measuring the materials... but whatever. It wasn't the best dose to start out with, but I just can't see 1.2mg of 25c causing someone to die, it just might be unpleasant.

 

[zaggy]

Well the scene is still here, I'm alive, I learned, and I LOVE YOU ALL
eheheh

Read the erowid reports of those shoving larger doses than I did through their noses!