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Hi,I’m from China — that country u love n hate

streaM Freak said:
@sashazhao - thanks for your reply, I hope you are not too tired of us by now, and I also hope you can learn here at Bluelight as much as you share.

With the seeming hypocrisy of the government (we all know what that's like no matter the country) drug laws, is there much talk in Asia about the "golden triangle"?

And I'm also curious, how do they (the government, but citizens too im curious about) feel about the difference between amphetamines and methamphetamine?
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I wasn’t bothered at all, haha. Especially coming down from stimulants, I’m actually pretty happy to talk and share.


Even as someone who really dislikes the Communist Party, I have to admit that the government is extremely tough on traditional drugs. The laws may lag behind, but the punishments are heavy enough to be a real deterrent. Even corrupt officials won’t touch controlled substances.





You have to understand, drug cases here aren’t calculated by purity but by total weight. A friend of mine got eighteen years just for selling and possessing synthetic cannabinoid vape juice.


Six hundred grams of diluted liquid—if I remember right, it was ADBB diluted 100x—was legally counted as the equivalent of 300 grams of heroin.


Eighteen fucking years.





Anyway, I’m getting off topic, sorry.





In Asia, when people talk about the Golden Triangle, it’s mostly about telecom scams. The image of the region is already so overexposed through news and movies that people don’t really think about it anymore.


I can’t speak for other countries, but I’m very sure that non-professionals in China don’t even know the difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine—honestly, even some anti-drug cops don’t.


That’s the result of excessive anti-drug propaganda without proper education. Drug use rates have dropped a lot, but it’s created new problems—basically RC abuse is much higher here than in many other countries.”
 
Electrum1 said:
Do you live in North America?
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I’m in mainland China.


Because of visa issues, I’ve never even been to the US, haha.


For someone like me—no regular job and income that’s hard to explain—getting a US visa is pretty tough.


And honestly, I’m just too lazy anyway. A 17-hour flight? Yeah, no thanks.
 
neversickanymore said:
where do you believe it’s coming from now?
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I’m more inclined to think it’s pure smuggling, fully controlled by Mexico.


In China, there are plenty of businesses that make way more money than dealing drugs or fentanyl—like the distorted real estate market, or all those warped COVID spin-off industries.


Every company I know briefly pivoted to making nitazene-type substances, and then they got banned again.


Now a lot of them are just pumping out all kinds of sketchy cathinone replacements and other weird crap.
 
What are all the stories of missing Chinese people? Is it all bullshit or is the government hiding something.

The number of people is a big question that outsiders, can't really get an answer too.

Are hundreds of millions missing and if so why?
 
Jnowhere said:
What are all the stories of missing Chinese people? Is it all bullshit or is the government hiding something.

The number of people is a big question that outsiders, can't really get an answer too.

Are hundreds of millions missing and if so why?
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I believe that’s totally real.. according to radio lab the npr podcast they were able to identify the locations of the “reform or thought reform camps” by looking at Google Maps and identifying the hacked areas,, radio lab is super reliable.

@sashazhao your kinda getting your ass out in the wind here.. your a brave person.. i am too. Take care and respect.
 
They, do have spy's and hackers.lol
neversickanymore said:
I believe that’s totally real.. according to radio lab the npr podcast they were able to identify the locations of the “reform or thought reform camps” by looking at Google Maps and identifying the hacked areas,, radio lab is super reliable.

@sashazhao your kinda getting your ass out in the wind here.. your a brave person.. i am too. Take care and respect.
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neversickanymore said:
I believe that’s totally real.. according to radio lab the npr podcast they were able to identify the locations of the “reform or thought reform camps” by looking at Google Maps and identifying the hacked areas,, radio lab is super reliable.

@sashazhao your kinda getting your ass out in the wind here.. your a brave person.. i am too. Take care and respect.
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Are you talking about that place?


Yeah—partly true, at least.


I can’t really talk about it. It’s an extremely sensitive political topic. Honestly, the risk of getting arrested for discussing this on foreign forums is even higher than getting caught dealing drugs in China.





But aside from that, discussions about most political topics are surprisingly tolerated. This is the only absolute red line.


All I can say is: if you’re a well-educated Chinese person with independent thinking, even if you don’t take a political stance, you eventually understand one thing—there are no innocent people.


Yeah. None.
 
Jnowhere said:
What are all the stories of missing Chinese people? Is it all bullshit or is the government hiding something.

The number of people is a big question that outsiders, can't really get an answer too.

Are hundreds of millions missing and if so why?
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As for the hidden truth, I can’t talk about that either.


But I swear on everything I have—this is absolutely not a story of one-sided persecution.
 
sashazhao said:
As for the hidden truth, I can’t talk about that either.


But I swear on everything I have—this is absolutely not a story of one-sided persecution.
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What about the collasing Chinese real-estate market? I understand that so much of the countries wealth is in real-estate.

The tariffs and tightening of our trade deficit makes me wonder, if a Chinese economic collapse is coming?

These, issues could affect the global economy, and it has some of us very worried: can these economic issues be overcome?

There is a crashing market real-estate market, because of poor build quality and over building. Also, less capital, from foreign investors?

Then the missing people are basically making real-estate a liability.

What can be done? So much of the nations "private" wealth is in Real Estate?

Also, do you think this will all drive China towards more synthetic drug manufacturering as long as it is imported?
 
Jnowhere said:
What about the collasing Chinese real-estate market? I understand that so much of the countries wealth is in real-estate.

The tariffs and tightening of our trade deficit makes me wonder, if a Chinese economic collapse is coming?

These, issues could affect the global economy, and it has some of us very worried: can these economic issues be overcome?

There is a crashing market real-estate market, because of poor build quality and over building. Also, less capital, from foreign investors?

Then the missing people are basically making real-estate a liability.

What can be done? So much of the nations "private" wealth is in Real Estate?

Also, do you think this will all drive China towards more synthetic drug manufacturering as long as it is imported?
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Local governments rely on land auctions for revenue, and real estate was treated as a financial asset rather than housing.


Credit was tilted that way for years, and households and companies took on huge leverage to keep it going.


The government also quietly pushed this idea that you have to own a home, even if it means carrying a 30-year mortgage.





The outcome was pretty blunt: there were never that many people or that much real demand to begin with. Add strict COVID controls and tariff wars, which crushed business and worker incomes—and boom, the bubble popped.





That said, China is a country that can almost sustain a full internal economic loop. The economy is sliding, but it’s not going to collapse.


And most of the country’s so-called ‘private wealth’ was already transferred to ordinary people long ago—in the form of mortgage debt.





As for synthetic drugs, the revenue they bring to the government is basically irrelevant. What actually drives things is chemical companies chasing export profits and ramping up production.
 
Wow, That's what I have read and heard.
I know that China is a powerhouse, economically.

I as a Westerner, have trouble understanding the ideas of Deng Xiaoping's policies that brought China To become such an international Economic powerhouse.

"Socialism is not poverty, To be rich is glorious" That mentality and the policies that opened up China and brought prosperity, seem to be, being reversed?
Is there a push for Communism, again?
Is this a big political thing you can't discuss?
 
sashazhao said:
Now a lot of them are just pumping out all kinds of sketchy cathinone replacements and other weird crap.
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Do you know if China is creating compounds that other labs are not creating internationally? Like unique stimulants or other compounds?

I know my country for example (Sweden) is actually surprisingly involved in the RC market and we see benzodiazepines and stimulants that I have never heard discussed anywhere else. They are only talked about on a local swedish forum and these substances appear briefly before fading into obscurity.

We even had some standalone tryptamines and fentanyl analogs never talked about anywhere else appear for just a few months and never seen again.
 
have you seen anyone growing papaver somniferum in china? would people recognize the plant? it has value as an ornamental and is used dried in flower arrangement.
 
sashazhao said:
I’m from China. I believe my experience allows me to answer most of your questions, and I’m also curious about how information bubbles differ between countries.


I previously worked with RCs in China. I briefly engaged in basic synthesis and abused a wide range of RCs. I’ve had direct contact with drug users as well as wholesalers. I made money, and I was also arrested, but avoided conviction (China’s regulation and enforcement around RCs is far more underdeveloped than you might imagine).


I think I can address most of the questions you may have, if you’re interested.
Clarifying misunderstandings is something I genuinely enjoy.


My English is not very good, so I used GPT to help translate this.
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Was it true that most vendors got there supplies from the same wholesaler in China who may or may not have Yakuza ties. Ummm just a rumor I heard.

MORE IMPORTANTLY -- Why the hell aren't benzo analogs shipping to the US (largely you can find places) when they are currently straight legal.

If I do order a package of something that is legal for strictly research purposes -- how are they allowed to take that at customs?? Why does it not eventually show up after they determine it isn't illegal.
 
Which of the big RCs did you do and how often? Edit: please forgive my manners. Welcome to bluelight friend
 
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