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Hi,I’m from China — that country u love n hate

Do you know if China is creating compounds that other labs are not creating internationally? Like unique stimulants or other compounds?

I know my country for example (Sweden) is actually surprisingly involved in the RC market and we see benzodiazepines and stimulants that I have never heard discussed anywhere else. They are only talked about on a local swedish forum and these substances appear briefly before fading into obscurity.

We even had some standalone tryptamines and fentanyl analogs never talked about anywhere else appear for just a few months and never seen again.
Sorry, I don’t really understand much about compound development in international trade. From what little I know, compounds meant for export usually come from foreign clients, or from Chinese middlemen who provide the scale-up processes.

The “unique” compounds that become popular in mainland China are often complete garbage — no euphoria at all, just neurotoxic stuff, like tiletamine or etomidate.

As for Gen-Z kids who are into Japanese subculture and underground electronic music, a lot of them genuinely don’t care about their lives and have zero respect for drugs. They don’t have the money to buy real drugs, so many high school students or young people end up abusing things this way:
1,4-BDO (10 ml or more every day), pregabalin (2000 mg+ per day), dextromethorphan (around 1000 mg per dose), and uncountable amounts of benzos — which are ridiculously easy and cheap to get from hospitals in China.
 
Was it true that most vendors got there supplies from the same wholesaler in China who may or may not have Yakuza ties. Ummm just a rumor I heard.

MORE IMPORTANTLY -- Why the hell aren't benzo analogs shipping to the US (largely you can find places) when they are currently straight legal.

If I do order a package of something that is legal for strictly research purposes -- how are they allowed to take that at customs?? Why does it not eventually show up after they determine it isn't illegal.
I don’t really understand international trade, but early in my career I did source some well-established compounds that were clearly effective — like escaline, 6-APB, and metonitazene. Hell, I even lied about exporting just to get a 100-gram sample, and I was constantly worried that the package might break or leak and get someone killed.

I’m absolutely certain that a few large companies are producing huge quantities of similar compounds.

But there’s no such thing as the mafia in China. There is organized crime on the mainland, sure, but nothing like the Japanese or Italian mafia. Public security in China has been surprisingly good since the 2000s.
 
Hi @sashazhao !! 🍜

It sounds like you are doing really well in China.

I Can't Complain either. ;);)

Thank you for your posts !! And Welcome to BL. 💙
I didn’t make a lot of money, but I’m pretty satisfied with my life, haha.


If you ever get the chance, you’re welcome to come visit China :D
 
Which of the big RCs did you do and how often? Edit: please forgive my manners. Welcome to bluelight friend
I used to love going to underground electronic clubs, taking things like 2C-B-FLY, caline-type compounds, or 4-HO-MET once every week or two.
Everything kind of stopped there. I started dealing with thiophene amphetamines, tried smoking it once, and that quickly turned into at least 2 grams a day. Later I cut it down to about 0.5 grams a day, but I never really stopped.
The ironic part is, I’ve never even used meth.
 
I used to love going to underground electronic clubs, taking things like 2C-B-FLY, caline-type compounds, or 4-HO-MET once every week or two.
Everything kind of stopped there. I started dealing with thiophene amphetamines, tried smoking it once, and that quickly turned into at least 2 grams a day. Later I cut it down to about 0.5 grams a day, but I never really stopped.
The ironic part is, I’ve never even used meth.
Thank you for the reply! It’s really cool to get to talk to someone who was actually in the scene. Were the people in the lab competent enough to make any RC or was their limits to what they could make with their skill?
 
You guys need legal weed over there lol
If you’re talking about synthetic cannabinoids — they were an absolute disaster.

Before 2020, people who smoked weed looked down on them, calling them “chemical weed.” Nobody wanted them even if you gave them away for free. They were like 4–5 dollars a gram.

Whoever first put that stuff into vape juice was a fucking genius.

Legal, passes urine tests, 30–50 dollars per milliliter, and one milliliter could get a hundred people high at least once. Overnight, trendy young people were vaping it nonstop, day and night. If they couldn’t afford it, they’d sell just to support their own use.

Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu, Changsha… in every big city, every club night, you’d see young people — even high school kids — passed out on the sidewalk, vape pens still in their hands.
 
If you’re talking about synthetic cannabinoids — they were an absolute disaster.

Before 2020, people who smoked weed looked down on them, calling them “chemical weed.” Nobody wanted them even if you gave them away for free. They were like 4–5 dollars a gram.

Whoever first put that stuff into vape juice was a fucking genius.

Legal, passes urine tests, 30–50 dollars per milliliter, and one milliliter could get a hundred people high at least once. Overnight, trendy young people were vaping it nonstop, day and night. If they couldn’t afford it, they’d sell just to support their own use.

Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu, Changsha… in every big city, every club night, you’d see young people — even high school kids — passed out on the sidewalk, vape pens still in their hands.


No i mean real Canabis like Canada has not synthetic
 
As for Gen-Z kids who are into Japanese subculture and underground electronic music, a lot of them genuinely don’t care about their lives and have zero respect for drugs. They don’t have the money to buy real drugs, so many high school students or young people end up abusing things this way:
1,4-BDO (10 ml or more every day), pregabalin (2000 mg+ per day), dextromethorphan (around 1000 mg per dose), and uncountable amounts of benzos — which are ridiculously easy and cheap to get from hospitals in China.
Wow thats crazy and a bit sad, none of those seem like drugs that fit with electronic music even. Is there no market at all for psychedelics there?
 
Thank you for the reply! It’s really cool to get to talk to someone who was actually in the scene. Were the people in the lab competent enough to make any RC or was their limits to what they could make with their skill?
Haha, that period really gave me a lot of good memories. When I was a kid, I loved playing GTA and watching crime movies. I never thought that one day I’d actually end up living something like that, at least to some extent.

Some labs are capable of making very high-difficulty compounds. More precisely, different factories each have their own specialties. China’s organic chemical industry is extremely well developed.

But psychedelics basically have no market in China. Their economic value is very low — they’re almost all for export.

As for producing or trafficking controlled drugs on a large scale inside China… that’s a world I don’t really understand. Anyone doing that is basically a suicidal maniac.
 
Haha, that period really gave me a lot of good memories. When I was a kid, I loved playing GTA and watching crime movies. I never thought that one day I’d actually end up living something like that, at least to some extent.

Some labs are capable of making very high-difficulty compounds. More precisely, different factories each have their own specialties. China’s organic chemical industry is extremely well developed.

But psychedelics basically have no market in China. Their economic value is very low — they’re almost all for export.

As for producing or trafficking controlled drugs on a large scale inside China… that’s a world I don’t really understand. Anyone doing that is basically a suicidal maniac.
Interesting. What is the RC scene like there for people that actually consume them in China? How do the cops react when they catch someone drugs up out of their mind on a technicality legal drug?
 
Wow thats crazy and a bit sad, none of those seem like drugs that fit with electronic music even. Is there no market at all for psychedelics there?
Ten years ago, Beijing and Shanghai had real electronic music and hip-hop clubs. You could get proper 2C-X, MDMA for twenty bucks, LSD, good weed, even cocaine — sure, it was a rich people’s game.

In Yunnan, there were psychedelic mushrooms all over the mountains and wild cannabis everywhere. At outdoor psytrance parties, village grandmas would dance with us.

Back then we were riding the boom of real estate and foreign trade. Remember? Every LV store in the world was packed with Chinese people.

And only now do we realize that might have been the last real party.

Young people today worship so-called subcultures. Pretty faces with ten piercings, dressed like the trendiest kids in Tokyo, listening to the most “Berlin” music, living like something out of Trainspotting or Enter the Void.

To escape being sober, pregabalin and dextromethorphan became their staples, with BDO as a side drink. Why not choose something else? Because this stuff can dodge random urine tests. But more importantly… instead of paying 30$ per gram for weed, or 60$ for LSD, they’d rather destroy their kidneys with cheap prescription drugs and industrial solvents.

Money. Money. Money. The bubble burst.

I honestly prefer to believe everyone just went insane.
 
Interesting. What is the RC scene like there for people that actually consume them in China? How do the cops react when they catch someone drugs up out of their mind on a technicality legal drug?
China has gone through waves of synthetic cannabinoids, O-PCE, 2F-DCK, substituted cathinones — all for one reason: dodging urine tests. Getting caught using drugs here is insanely costly.

And honestly, the police’s knowledge of drugs is basically zero. Powder equals ketamine, crystals equal meth.

A few years ago, the police found a few hundred grams of “suspicious powder” in my place. Everyone stared at it like it was war loot, greedily watching a tiletamine solution drip onto the urine test strip… and light up as ketamine-positive.

The evidence was sent off to a testing center for LC/MS. The cops were waiting for that ketamine report that was never going to exist.

I was starving, thinking about where to eat dinner. They laughed at me and said, “Get ready for prison.”

At 6 p.m., I walked out of the police station, passing those angry, confused, resentful glares.

Now, with information spreading faster, cops everywhere have figured it out: anyone they can easily catch won’t be carrying controlled drugs. No charges means they have to let you go before the end of their shift. They know there’s nothing they can do.
 
@sashazhao

dxm powder? i have found it hard to source online
Just regular tablets, about 30 mg per pill?i dont know. this kind of common cough medicine ended up being massively abused, so it was eventually reclassified and upgraded to a banned substance.
 
Just like in the USA, does China also have a CIA that recruits people whom have evolved due to their meth use?
 
Just like in the USA, does China also have a CIA that recruits people whom have evolved due to their meth use?
 
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