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Hey guys I’m back whew

I have taken the Kratom leaf

I think the extract is the pure form


I can't take the Kratom because it is leaf form and it strongly disagrees with me.

So I can't 🙁💜


Sorry for no help at all.

However !!!!!! We cannot get ' hooked ' on these things. It's okay though. It's what will happen.

I will try some anyway.

Be cautious. Prayers.


🙏🙏


So sorry, please stay well. Use with err of caution indeed !!! Much caution. Everyone else seems to say .... Bad !!!!!
Thanks when I enquired before from another bluelighter I was told its the "last thing you fucking need" .but I past the dependent side 17 years ago so that side wouldn't worry me if I was to try kratom again 😅
 
They are very powdery and soft. It is difficult to see through the ..... packaging. they call blister.
I hope they work out for you stay safe as always, I'm a firm believer in Kratom, there's worst things to be hooked on but can't comment on these pills maybe they are bad news
 
Bad news is Good news. 🤪

It really is in this case.

Now we all have to taper.


Less and less and less of more.


Prayers. 🙏


We all want to be as safe as possible now. <3

k Thanx 🌻:)
 
Let's start a new. Prayers everybody and we have to stay safe.

Have a plan. A good plan. A safe one.



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Oh I wish I could be like the guy next door or up the street with the perfect family ,lights out at 10pm up on the school run early doors.no alcohol during the week ,no drugs lol,family outings ,picnics and the like.i used to be like that 20 years ago or at least kind of close to it.every morning I wake up not wanting to ,but I force myself out of bed and once the days half through I feel better about myself but that's only because of the reward waighting when I get home .sorry im ranting .prayers for everyone especially the pain some people go through everyday.
 
Oh I wish I could be like the guy next door or up the street with the perfect family ,lights out at 10pm up on the school run early doors.no alcohol during the week ,no drugs lol,family outings ,picnics and the like.i used to be like that 20 years ago or at least kind of close to it.every morning I wake up not wanting to ,but I force myself out of bed and once the days half through I feel better about myself but that's only because of the reward waighting when I get home .sorry im ranting .prayers for everyone especially the pain some people go through everyday.

🙏

We understand too. <3


Keep going. 💜👍
 
Those 7-Tabs are indeed a variety of what I'm talking about. There's a 15 or 20mg 7OH version, but I preferred the 10mg/10mg 7OH/pseudo split.
A year ago, 1 would last 4 hours. Now? I'd start with 3.
My lowest effective dose is 30mg, but "effective" is borderline.
When I break out in sweats and I have to be around anyone who would notice and that would be a problem, I prefer to go w/about 60mg. That lasts about 2½-3 hours max.
The best quality 7OH and/or Pseudo is at least as strong as oxy IR mg to mg, probably stronger. It's destroyed the effectiveness of oxy and morphine, even after being off kratom alkaloid tabs for a week or more.
I suggest avoiding it altogether.
If I would have known what I know now, I would have still taken them when I first ran out of my Rx meds on vacation, but I would have never taken them again for any length of time again.
Having been BURNED trying to get SR-17018 to find an off-ramp, the only hopeful thing I've heard that may help is injectable sublocade, but I may still go through hell if I try that.
 
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FWIW I bought a 45 capsule bottle of Red Meng Da kratom powder to see if that would help, about 6 months ago.
I had to take so many my burps smelled like I ate my yard and I went through all 45 in 24 hours.
Kratom alkaloid tabs are no joke, the stronger they are the higher your tolerance goes.
If you have to slide down or God forbid jump off from the mountain of kratom, doing it from 10 feet up vs a mile high is much much better I'm sure.
I can't take the time off or lose my ability to function, so jumping off is something I can't do, don't want to do, and possibly wouldn't survive.
My only chance is to taper, and even that terrifies me.
 
I'm glad I always stuck to powder at least it still has some effect even if taken everyday.i used to dose in the morning and twice at night .the morning is when you really need it but after work was a must as well .Good luck with tapering ,I know how hard it is with normal powder .I tried the capsules once xnd your right if you swallowed 5 or 6 the gell cap would melt but you would still have dry kratom trying to escape.was nearly sick in a que for a roller coaster with a mouth full of sand lol
 
I always found white strains easier to taper from just because of the energy boost.it always seemed to give me a get up and go at least .I'm no expert on kratom so not sure how many strains there really are ,certinaly not as much as advertised
 
My very first kratom alkaloid experience was with Hydroxie pseudoindoxyl (RED tabs) when I was desperately in need, having run out of my Rx meds while in Hawaii despite trying to stretch them out.
3 days to go with lots to do, especially the LONG flights back..
That would have been horrible.
I had zero pain and an improved attitude flipping 100% from my Rx meds directly to the Hydroxie red tabs.
Since then I haven't had much luck with straight alleged pseudo, and it's supposed to be better for pain management than 7OH, and I've got it from sources I trust.
Having said that, I've also been told by a forum member who should know that that particular brand is the only real pseudo in the retail market, but they also said it had residual solvents and was "dirty".
I haven't noticed that to be the case but all I can go by is consumption experience.
About 7 months ago I had gotten 2 kinds and colors of unusually small tabs with "lab beaker" looking imprints from a USA based vendor that were on sale and extremely cheap, and unlike other vendors they took credit cards and had great tech/customer support via phone (shocking-I know!) and email, and I was SO hopeful. Both types of tabs were weak, tasted pretty plain and chalky/bitter which I wouldn't have minded, except they HAD TO have some nasty chemicals in them because they literally made my liver hurt.
Last note on pseudo, before my tolerance went sky high I always thought a commonly available 20mg tablet that claims to be 10mg of each 7OH and pseudo per tablet was more effective than 20-25mg straight 7OH tabs.
Here's my kratom alkaloid journey:
  • I tried just 7-OH at 1st (7ohmz brand mostly) and found it to be helpful for my chronic pain.
  • Then after a couple of months, I also tried the red Hydroxie pseudo tabs by themselves and found them to be VERY effective for pain- also having jumped right from my opiate Rx to just pseudo (out of necessity, not by choice lol) and experienced no w/d symptoms.
  • Recently, I've been taking a brand called Kama containing pseudo + 7-OH and they are also VERY effective!!
  • Yesterday, I tried VII which is 7-OH by itself and it helped w/ pain, but not quite as well as the pseudo. This has confirmed in my mind that PSEUDO is the way to go for me!

I legit think that I could probably come off of my Rx's and switch completely to pseudo alone or pseudo + 7-OH for pain relief. I am reluctant to call anything a "miracle drug," but this has been the closest thing to it for me, AND I have managed to keep my doses super low for about 4 mos. now! Am I dreaming all of this??...
 
Aw thank you too for your kindness. Yea it’s def tough what pain sufferers go through, especially in this day and age.

So yea I’ve tried pseudo by itself, it’s weird as I’ve gotten different results from different vendors honestly. It’s felt by itself for me more like a muscle relaxer. Then there’s a couple vendors that I barely felt it (by itself) or one I didn’t really like it. But from the vendor that I was getting (probably actual pseudo from) it felt more like a muscle relaxer than pain killer for sure. It did help with pain a little bit, but tolerance for that one builds crazy fast. Yea that one really screws with tolerance in my opinion.

We need more options in pharmacies if ya know what I’m saying. I wish weed worked better for me like it used to years ago. Of course back when it was illegal, that’s why laws seem silly. Now that it’s all legal, I all of a sudden started getting panic attacks from smoking. Maybe I should try cbd again or something.
Wish I could just grow a field of poppies lol.

Anyways, I really hope you can find a pain regimen that works for you too.
Big hug 💕💜
The 2 pseudo brands that have worked for me are Hydroxie and Kama. Though I do hate the taste of both of them lol... I honestly think I could completely switch from opiates to pseudo. Considering it!

*HUGS*
 
Is this the kratom pills I've been reading about on some posts .is it an extract of mitragyna speciosa .is it anything like powdered kratom .
It is a metabolite of mitragyna speciosa. It's much more potent on a mg for mg basis than purely powdered kratom. Most of what's available is synthetically made.
 
""""Is this the kratom pills I've been reading about on some posts .is it an extract of mitragyna speciosa .is it anything like powdered kratom ."""


^^^^^ I think it is. It is just a much stronger extraction of some type. I have some too but I am literally scared to take it because it is so strong.

And the main reason is that I am using benzo dosing instead. I take benzo recreationally ... and to get up off my arse. :rolleyes:💗
Start at a low dose, like 5-10 mg and see how it feels. Don't re-dose for at least 6 hrs. Definitely don't take it w/ benzos as both are CNS depressants which can suppress breathing on their own, let alone in combination.
 
Before last week I'd never heard of them .a few fresh leafs picked from a tree in thailand and eaten within 3 seconds is good enough for me .how do the pills make you feel is it like a strong opiate ,does it give you energy .sorry im just intreuged. Sorry tell me to shut up if you like I don't mean to bother you maybe other bluelighters will share their experience. I'm trying to Finnish the post with a nice Emoji but my phones shit and I can't. Sorry
It depends on if you're referring to 7-OH (7-hydroxymitragynine) or pseudo (pseudoindoxyl) or a combination of the 2. Many say 7-OH gives them energy, but I don't really experience it that way. It can really make you feel good, so you have to be careful not to escalate to very high doses and develop tolerance and/or addiction. Pseudo doesn't seem to produce as much of a euphoric feeling, but every body reacts to these alkaloids differently... I take both for pain relief, with pseudo being a bit more effective than 7-OH for me.
 
Oh no not at all


I still haven't taken the pill form. I am terrified.

But put an oxy or a Noco in front of me ..... and my life will be complete. Fulfilled.


I'm so sorry. I am trying to find more information. However, I suppose I will need them if I run into problems with the benzo.


I doubt it about the benzo though. I am just choosing them instead of the 7 oH for now. I'm terrified to mix .... for many reasons.


Starting with metabolizing them. I have never mixed them. I can't wait to try 7 oH to tell you the truth. But I'm a 🐔
Don't mix them!
 
Those 7-Tabs are indeed a variety of what I'm talking about. There's a 15 or 20mg 7OH version, but I preferred the 10mg/10mg 7OH/pseudo split.
A year ago, 1 would last 4 hours. Now? I'd start with 3.
My lowest effective dose is 30mg, but "effective" is borderline.
When I break out in sweats and I have to be around anyone who would notice and that would be a problem, I prefer to go w/about 60mg. That lasts about 2½-3 hours max.
The best quality 7OH and/or Pseudo is at least as strong as oxy IR mg to mg, probably stronger. It's destroyed the effectiveness of oxy and morphine, even after being off kratom alkaloid tabs for a week or more.
I suggest avoiding it altogether.
If I would have known what I know now, I would have still taken them when I first ran out of my Rx meds on vacation, but I would have never taken them again for any length of time again.
Having been BURNED trying to get SR-17018 to find an off-ramp, the only hopeful thing I've heard that may help is injectable sublocade, but I may still go through hell if I try that.
I've managed to stay between 5-10 mg, no more than 4 doses/day for pain relief. So, that's 40 mg/day max. Hoping I can keep it this way!
 
Start at a low dose, like 5-10 mg and see how it feels. Don't re-dose for at least 6 hrs. Definitely don't take it w/ benzos as both are CNS depressants which can suppress breathing on their own, let alone in combination.
Oh thank you.


7-OH is strong from what I have been gathering. I appreciate you.

Actually .... Um I really am afraid to take them. But have been considering them because of pain.

The benzo's actually help my pain, if you can believe it. But I try to help myself however I can.

They actually help me move more .... but not as much as a Norco would.

Anyway, thank you for helping me feel safe. And less terrified. Seriously for real.


Thanks so much for you post. Again. 💖

Very Nice of You.

from @kiely Take Care.


I can't wait to try them though. But for now the benzo's are getting me through. Help me out.

Oh ...... And I am glad that I have them ... but am a little worried that they were going to become illegal.


So far the source is stable though. hahaaa.


And thanks I definitely will start out at a low dose. <3👍
 
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