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Heroin #?

rachamim said:
#1: Morphine
#2:Heroin freebase or acetate
#3:Heroin with an admixture of at least 40% caffeine hcl., specifically manufactured for smoking
#4: Heroin hcl., specifically made for injection.

Wouldn't #2 be soluble without citric acid if it was acetate? What we get here (Europe) is allmost allways brown and alkaline. Citric acid or vinegar (acetic acid) needs to be added with cooking to get an IVable solution.
 
Huh?

Zubi420 said:
same in nyc.:)
Ive never had brown heroin and how does it compare to the white stuff.. I get in toronto. . Ill be in nyc in a couple days and was interested in knowing the difference if any.. thanks..

I never knew people had to add citric acid to make the shit dissolve.. I only add a bit of heat.. and it turns into a nice light golden colour..
 
Phrozen: When I left Tampa in 97 all the heroin on the street had been sold in tin foil wraps , very tiny. Scrath that, I do remember a couple of guy slinging capsules at the end .

Living: You usually get freebase if you live n Western Europe including the UK. The difference between acetate and base is this: When you acetylate morphine you create heroin acetate. If you then add water and calcium carboate solution it becomes heroin freebase. Water/calcvium carbonate is used by knowledgeable folks because it helps to eliminate any unreacted GAA (can also be done by slightly heating as is .

When you ask about solubility in citric acid do you mean an acidic solution? Have to admit, and it might be my English, I do not understand the question realy.

The reason you have to add acid when injecting is because of the pH differential.


Jamie: The difference? Well the only real difference is overall purity. Heroin needs to be purified (in this case with activated carbon) in order to become white. You can get purer brown (purer than white) because people can adulterate any form of heroin rather easily.

There is still a good amount of white heroin in NYC. It is funny really because back when I was young brown heroin could not sell itself. It was Mexican Mud and we called it by the Puerto Rican slang "Chocofine." Colombians usually produce brown heroin (and it gets lighter as it is adulterated with white dilutents and adulterants) mainly because they are bad buisness people. It is not that much of a chore to decolorise a powder, maybe an hour tops on a moderate amount. You simply heat and filter amidst the presence of carbon, repeat several times.

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So we're using #4 in Melbourne, Australia but it changes colours (Beige rock, yellowish powder, white rock). What the hell am I really usin? We haven't had acetate ( we call it alkiline coz we mix it with citric acid to "Boost" its strength <crap with water>) in years and there ain't no tar in oz.
 
Zubi420 said:
i thought tar was made for smoking? I thought tar was heroin base too?
Tar smokes good, but good tar is for shooting. In my expierence tar can be 20-89% pure
 
Valium: All heroin at one time or another is acetate because of the GAA. Acetic Anhydride is the best GAA for this purpose because of time, ease, and it being less corrosive but any will do although other than AA, Acetyl Chloride is the only commerically used alternative.

Phrozen: In Asia, in Thailand, the best street heroin comes in little glass vials with colored tops. Most though are packaged in plastic srinking straws that have been melted on both ends.

In Cambodia it is sold in plastic corners, as in baggies that have been melted and/or twisted and knotted. I have not seen it packaged any other way there.

In India it is sold in paper folds in Mumbai but cannot say elsewhere because I do not know.

in Indonesia it is sold in plastic corners but I have heard of others saying they found it in straws as in Thailand.

In Europe I have bought it in Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands and in each of those nations it was in plastic baggies, corners of baggies, and in Amsterdam in foil wraps, as in cigarette foil not tinfoil.

You know, I had not thought of it until now but perhaps the branding of heroin in NYC was coopted from SE Asian producers. Since the late 60s they have been branding their wholesale products. If you buy a Unit or more (unit being 700 grams, halves are available at 350 grams but I have not heard of them being branded) you find it almost always tamped with intricate logos. I have read, but not seen, that in Afghanistan they now brand theirs as well. Difference being that in SE Asia it is double bagged in heat sealed plastic befoire getting the final wrapper with the logo and SW Asia only having 1 sloppy bag and a paper wrapper.


In Pakistan the same as India and those are the only nations I have bought it in.
 
In Turkey, Istanbul and Bodrum both had freebase heroin 2 it was top notch shit and I had to buy a fucking shit load of it, but mannnnnnn.
 
Yeah, in Israel we go to Turkey ALOT but I have never bought anything worthwhile there, just Rx stuff and whatnot. However, most heroin in Israel actually comes from Kurdi in Turkey so of course they most have great stuff.

In my country it is 40 US a gram so I would also imagine it is very inexpensive there to boot (no pun intended).
 
rachamim said:
Valium: All heroin at one time or another is acetate because of the GAA. Acetic Anhydride is the best GAA for this purpose because of time, ease, and it being less corrosive but any will do although other than AA, Acetyl Chloride is the only commerically used alternative.

Phrozen: In Asia, in Thailand, the best street heroin comes in little glass vials with colored tops. Most though are packaged in plastic srinking straws that have been melted on both ends.

In Cambodia it is sold in plastic corners, as in baggies that have been melted and/or twisted and knotted. I have not seen it packaged any other way there.

In India it is sold in paper folds in Mumbai but cannot say elsewhere because I do not know.

in Indonesia it is sold in plastic corners but I have heard of others saying they found it in straws as in Thailand.

In Europe I have bought it in Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands and in each of those nations it was in plastic baggies, corners of baggies, and in Amsterdam in foil wraps, as in cigarette foil not tinfoil.

You know, I had not thought of it until now but perhaps the branding of heroin in NYC was coopted from SE Asian producers. Since the late 60s they have been branding their wholesale products. If you buy a Unit or more (unit being 700 grams, halves are available at 350 grams but I have not heard of them being branded) you find it almost always tamped with intricate logos. I have read, but not seen, that in Afghanistan they now brand theirs as well. Difference being that in SE Asia it is double bagged in heat sealed plastic befoire getting the final wrapper with the logo and SW Asia only having 1 sloppy bag and a paper wrapper.


In Pakistan the same as India and those are the only nations I have bought it in.

Thanks for sharing.


Good point about the heroin branding in SEA. It makes sense that Lucas first noticed the branding when he went over there to get a source. Then he came back and applied that to his operation in NYC.
 
Nice deal, goes for $80-100 for a gram in the Northwest US.

rachamim said:
Yeah, in Israel we go to Turkey ALOT but I have never bought anything worthwhile there, just Rx stuff and whatnot. However, most heroin in Israel actually comes from Kurdi in Turkey so of course they most have great stuff.

In my country it is 40 US a gram so I would also imagine it is very inexpensive there to boot (no pun intended).
 
phrozen said:
What's the most common packaging in Europe? What about Asia? The middle east?

Just curious. Thanks.
It's usually wrapped in aluminium foil in the Netherlands, if it's sold as chunks. When it's sold as powder, it's sold in those small envelopes coke is sold in as well. Though powder usually means it's more cut, chunks are usually purer. Average price is €40-60 per gram of heroine, of good to extremely high quality. If you live in the big cities, and you have good connections, it can be very pure, and very cheap.
 
When you ask about solubility in citric acid do you mean an acidic solution? Have to admit, and it might be my English, I do not understand the question realy.

The reason you have to add acid when injecting is because of the pH differential

Where I live it doesn't dissolve in water so adding citric acid and boiling it must yield heroin citrate.
 
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