Heroin success stories ... (title is an oxymoron -jc)

[Harumscxarum]

The only thing that stops you doing more & more heroin is death or a lack of resources, and you know what you don't care about the death bit, just the lack or resources.

^The tattoo up there is swell!

thanks :D

 

[baschoen]

But what if you were able to have more. If you were able to say OK i am going to live the rest of my life on opiates? That addiction wasn't a problem that had to be fixed, but just like having to eat everyday or we die? Liek having to take insulin

I always have big thoughts about how the world is going to change in the future, how will humans evolve to be something more than they are now. We all love sex (well most of us anyway) because it serves a fundamental purpose in furthering the human race: and love is perhaps a means of different pairs of genes selecting beneficial partnerships that deliver better offspring.

If heroin use is fundamentally so addictive, meaning our brain thinks it is good, could it perhaps deliver humans that are higher functioning than otherwise. Could it be something that is beneficial in the long run?

What if some of the world's greatest scientists were given the drug and the many years of work they have done culminates with a supreme nod that delivers a serious scientific breakthrough?

The scientist that came up with the structure of the benzene molecule had it come to him in a dream, that MAY have been an opiate dream.

The substance used correctly... is it still evil?

Interesting theory... I agree with evolution in all of its aspects but in this case I don't think it works that way. People evolve because of something that helps them survive. I could see how one may argue that opiates could prolong life but in the "nod" state you talk about does it make it easier to live? are people who don't have opiates goign to die? i think in more cases its the opposite

 

[memphis10]

No Way

No

 

[Tchort]

Thinking about using it regularly for 15 years (sorry, 'hypothetically') shows you already have the psychological machinery in place to let the metabolic, physical dependancy take hold completing a likely life long addiction.

Welcome to the party. Now you get to see the punchline to the big joke most people on here are 'in' on..

Has Heroin made my life better? Yes, in the sense that I was able to feel something more beautiful than anything on this planet. And no, that I'll never feel that way again until I shoot more dope. Which I can't sustain long.

Fuck.

 

[Dxmmonster]

Opiates... if addiction and tolorance was never an issue, they would be the perfect drugs.

Sadly, they do cause such problems, but IMO most of the problems caused by heroin/opiates are caused by the War on Drugs.
If drugs were legal, and people could get as much as they wantd for a reasonable price. I really do think the world will be a better place.

I dont do heroin but I do dabble in various opiates now and then, and to be honest, they have improved my life.

I'm currently WDing from tramadol, and I'm not having a good time(the insomnia is the worst)... My friend asked me yesterday "Was it worth it?" and I didnt even think about it and said YES!! They have improved my life in so many ways that these 3-4days of WDs and depression that will last for a few weeks all seem worth it..
Back when tramadol was OTC and cheap, I was taking around 250mgs a day(kept it that way for about 3 years). It improved my social life, the quality of sleep and also made me more productive(this is probably due to the SNRI effects of tramadol).

Ofcourse tramadol is nothing like heroin, so I really cant say whether it's pro's are greater than it's cons.

 

[frogman84]

No doubt i am psychologically already exhibiting that line of thinking where I rationalize things about my drug use and make them seem beneficial to my life, when ultimately they may not be. But is it possible they could be?

I have been treated for the OCD i have for about six months, and prior to that (when i didn't know what it was i had because i don't have any compulsions - like handwashing) i had begun using opiates (starting on codeine about 3-4 years ago) with the motivation being nothing more than to get high.

Amazingly, it was only this week that i decided to google OCD + opiates, and have found to my amazement that proper medical trials have shown that opiates are very very effective at relieving OCD symptoms.

So me just wanting to get 'high' on opiates, could reasonably now be looked at as self-medication. Opiates always relaxed me, and probably because they eased the daily terrors of my OCD i continued to pursue them.

OCD has previously fucked my relationship chances (continual self doubt), and has stopped me from getting as far in my job as I could have.

I am now thinking that Methadone treatment might just offer me an OCD free, or at least OCD reduced life. The only problem with this is that i would have to be a junkie before a doctor could get me on a methadone program.

Long term methadone users: what is life like on a prescribed long-acting opiate?

Something i want to find out more about.

 

[frogman84]

just wanted to thank Amberthefrog, Sixpartseven, Johaneschimpo, Harumscxarum Chinacat and Funkee for your replies. Whether or not you guys use Heroin, you replied to my questions with my well being in mind - and have given me good information on the topic.

For those that were enjoying the heroin as part of evolution part of this thread, i have been thinking some more and have this to add as some thought provoking fluff:

Here in Australia, our native inhabitants (aborigines) suffer much more greatly from the terrors of alcohol abuse than other anglo-saxon inhabitants of the country (me included).

Pound for pound, alcohol affects aboriginal people more easily than it does westerners. Because their society hadn't seen alcohol before about 200 years ago, their bodies have obviously got different and less effective ways of utilising alcohol. They will feel the effects of alcohol much more significantly, and can be intoxicated within just a few standard drinks. They also have much higher rates of alcoholism per capita but this may be because of their lower socio-economic placing and lack of social standing in the country.

But, through hundreds of years of alcohol use, anglo saxons have obviously evolved with their bodies tolerating alcohol with greater ease. It takes a lot more to intoxicate an average anglo-saxon than it does to intoxicate an aboriginal.

With heroin being such a new drug in the whole timeline of human existence, anyone using it is in the same boat as the aborigines and alcohol, in that it is extremely potent within their bodies.

The scary addictiveness of heroin may be because of just how much it intoxicates people at the moment. What if the children of heroin users might somehow start developing DNA that makes it easier on their bodies. Perhaps there may be a particular code of DNA that allows heroin use to be controlled with greater ease.

I know that there have been scientists that have located an 'alcoholic' gene in mice. These mice with a particular speck of DNA in some area, are significantly more susceptible to alcoholism than the mice without this particular part of the DNA.

If we can keep pursuing long term heroin use today, and for a few generations, the body might have a chance to develop DNA that allows greater positive use of the drug.

I think what opiates have done for me is to open up my subconscious mind a little more than what it used to. I have more lucid dreams, and subsequently think i am more creative. I have been reading about Astral Projection lately, and this is basically (i think) achieved by tuning into your subconscious part of your brain more.

What if our current standing in human evolution is that our subconscious and our conscious parts of the brain are quite disconnected.

What if the next-step in human evolution would be the greater melding of conscious and sub-conscious parts of our brain. Enter Heroin!! ha ha

What if things like telepathy, psychic abilities, and even things like synaesthesia could be more possible for humans as we merge the two distinct parts of our brains - so that rather than having a conscious and subconscious we start moving more towards just an integration of the two?

Also - if you believe in evolution then it is fairly likely, that whatever organisms we developed from had to have come across different times when the chemicals they ingested changed dramatically and led to development of the species. Because we came from simple organisms surviving on algae, to something more animal like that ingests greater amounts and more diverse chemicals (food) it has already been shown in history that living things have previously come across times when the chemicals the exist upon have ben added to with some new ones.

So, what if using drugs constantly was akin to those primitive organisms fisrt starting to eat protein? In that just as humans HAVE to eat food everyday, addicts now HAVE to have drugs everyday.

What if in 300 years, just as it is a given for a human to have to eat food everyday, why coudn't drugs be just another thing that we HAVE to do or else we die. We are just adding another particular chemical to our ingestion everyday because it offers something beneficial to us?

Anyone think this is at all valid? I am feeling tired and probably shhould have taken more time to write this out in a better fashion so it is easier to understand, but see what you think anyway.


The basic thing to keep in mind is that primitive organisms (that we came from) survived on simpler chemical intakes (food) than we currently do. So is it plausible that humans may evolve through the adding of greater amounts of chemicals being ingested.

 

[IVXLCDM]

Famous last words indeed.

I dunno about all the existentialist hypothesis'... but, I really do not believe there are many (if any at all), "success stories" emerging out of daily opiate use. Here I take "success" as meaning a person's own subjective view that their life, in retrospect, has been bettered by an everyday H habit. I truly don't think anyone can do it and say that sincerely. Those who've tread this path (a very young me, for one) realize the naivety of this question, mainly because we've all figured out the answer for ourselves.

I'm not sure what would be the result were it legalized. It won't be, so I don't like to fill my head with the fluff of that debate, which could go on and on forever (and has).

I do, however, think you can use heroin responsibly. When I first started using, my habit quickly became very destructive (i.e. an addiction), but I learned from that. After detoxing and being clean for a few months, I approached it once more. This time I was a great deal more educated (thanks BL, and other cohesive info. sources ) and experienced about the stuff. I was determined to enjoy it's pleasures, yet know my limitations, and respect it's inherent power to kick my ass.

I drew up a plan to never use more than two (preferably non-consecutive) days a week. I had to learn and exercise the mental control to know where to cross the line and never break or conveniently bend any of my own provisions. No exceptions. Ever. I can say that I have been using this stringent 'chipping regiment' successfully for 3 years now and find it to be more satisfying way of getting high, rather than using/copping everyday and the baggage that comes with that practice. I also know of many others who have had success with similar strategies, both here on BL and the real world. And of course is not limited to just moderating smack habit, but virtually any other recreational drug you apply it to. That being said, even such use requires great effort and self-control from the user. I know that just because I've "succeeded" so far doesn't mean I'm still not in dangerous waters, I try to frequently assess and maintain dominion over my use. It takes diligence. For some ---it's possible, for others ---it just ain't.

Meh, just my thoughts, I don't know how relevant that was to the OP .

Cheers.

 

[signals149]

I always have big thoughts about how the world is going to change in the future, how will humans evolve to be something more than they are now.

If Only...

 

[Elgr]

Alrighty. Interesting thread.

Started about a year ago. Never IV'ed, only smoked. Haven't had any withdrawls, just some next day puking (after one isolated one night stand).

An average of twice a month maybe? Some months, maybe longer, of zero usage. Sometimes once a week. Once or twice- maybe even 4 nights in 7 days. Though that was pushing it, for me. In only a couple instances oxycodone or hydromorphone were had within the same day or week.

I've got no intention of ever IVing, though I've got access to spikes at any time. I realize it's possible to screw myself over even with just the smoking.

 

[Natural]

Amazingly, it was only this week that i decided to google OCD + opiates, and have found to my amazement that proper medical trials have shown that opiates are very very effective at relieving OCD symptoms.

So me just wanting to get 'high' on opiates, could reasonably now be looked at as self-medication. Opiates always relaxed me, and probably because they eased the daily terrors of my OCD i continued to pursue them.

OCD has previously fucked my relationship chances (continual self doubt), and has stopped me from getting as far in my job as I could have.

I am now thinking that Methadone treatment might just offer me an OCD free, or at least OCD reduced life. The only problem with this is that i would have to be a junkie before a doctor could get me on a methadone program.

I'm going to be completely honest and blunt here; the things you type make me feel sick and wish I could help you.
I was just like you when I started, I thought it would help alot of my mental problems.
Opiates have fucked my life over like none other. My family hates me, my girlfriend and I are junkies. She steals to support our addiction (I won't, but I still let her), all we do is get high and smoke cigarettes all day.

All you're doing is rationalizing your use. STOP! I do this all the time.
"oh, I feel a little ill today, it's ok"... "hmm, nothing to do today, a little oxy could make this better", "Geez, I can't sleep a wink! time for some oxy!."
THAT'S MY WHOLE FUCKING LIFE NOW.

I feel like I missed the best years of my life because of opiates. I skipped so many awesome things I could have done just to stay with my girlfriend and do dope.

Don't kid yourself, you will not be able to control it.

 

[sweet jimmy brown]

, all we do is get high and smoke cigarettes all day... Don't kid yourself, you will not be able to control it.

heh. i second that.

 

[sixpartseven]

Once a large group of people in our society were addicted to Soma the government would be able to easily manipulate/control them.

Wasnt that the intention of (the fictional) Soma?

 

[Syd_Barret]

A heroin success story? haha

I used heroin safely and without any consequences for most of my life (most of my life during which time i was using heroin that is)
I was a chipper, and i never broke my own only once or twice every two week rule.

Well eventually i touched the needle after my girlfriend dumped me.
I still didn't get addicted until maybe 6-7 months later.. my girl and i got back together shortly after she dumped me.. but i don't know.. i guess the monkey was on my back and wasn't getting off.

I don't know whether im a true addict anymore or whether i was just extremely depressed and self medicating... all i know is that you're human just like me, please be careful.

I was always seen by both me and my friends as the responsible drug user.. the guy that could use hard drugs, and do it smartly and safely.. that always had his shit under control.. etc.
Well time went on, and i become a raving mad ass junkie, i stole, i stole, i stole some more and some more.. lied cheated... lied cheated.. whatever to get my fix, i did not care about the consequences at all.

I'm clean now, have been for maybe close to 2 months or more.. I feel fucking amazing and happy to be alive.


Let me put this another way, even if you had an unlimited supply of heroin.. and you didn't even inject the shit.. yeah, you'd still fuck everything up in my opinion.. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, things would turn on ya.

Look at Eric Clapton, that man is made of money, hes never injected dope, he only snorted it (and please don't be an asshole and try telling me "More addicts snort or smoke heroin than IV users, i already know that")


I mean for a while i was a functioning addict.. I went to all my classes.. did all my assignments, etc.. i even made good grades.. but eventually the heroin just became much more important.. I remember how i stopped going to class, because my schedule didn't fit the dope dealers schedule.
Lets see, go to my first class of the day, or get my fix? The answer is obvious of course.

If this life were perfect, and you had everything made up PERFECT to the T, i guess its possible to use heroin and be active in society.. keep up all your responsibilities, etc... but of course the world isn't perfect...

 

[Syd_Barret]

But what if you were able to have more. If you were able to say OK i am going to live the rest of my life on opiates? That addiction wasn't a problem that had to be fixed, but just like having to eat everyday or we die? Liek having to take insulin

I always have big thoughts about how the world is going to change in the future, how will humans evolve to be something more than they are now. We all love sex (well most of us anyway) because it serves a fundamental purpose in furthering the human race: and love is perhaps a means of different pairs of genes selecting beneficial partnerships that deliver better offspring.

If heroin use is fundamentally so addictive, meaning our brain thinks it is good, could it perhaps deliver humans that are higher functioning than otherwise. Could it be something that is beneficial in the long run?

What if some of the world's greatest scientists were given the drug and the many years of work they have done culminates with a supreme nod that delivers a serious scientific breakthrough?

The scientist that came up with the structure of the benzene molecule had it come to him in a dream, that MAY have been an opiate dream.

The substance used correctly... is it still evil?

Are you FUCKING with us?
I guess you're not but damn man...

I don't even know how to reply to that...

This is what im going to say.. back in the day BL, specifically the other drugs forum, and specifically some certain mods/users basically ENCOURAGED people to do iv heroin, they encouraged opiate use basically, they admitted they were addicted, they were loud and proud, essentially their stance was, im an opiate addict, but my life is better this way.

I gurantee you none of those people are still living good lifes if indeed they are still addicts. A good example of this would be Phreex. Phreex was addicted to heroin for a number of years, and basically shared the above view.. plus or minus.




This is how i look at it, if i have the option of always being in a state of pure bliss and oblivion, why would i do anything else?
If i can nod out 24/7/FOREVER why the fuck would i do anything? Why go to work? Why even get up in the morning? You're going to feel as good as you possibly can feel, there is no down, there is no up, you're just there.. you're feeling AMAZING, why do ANYTHING else?

Yeah, you may say, well because i want a family in life, or i want my own house on the praire or WHATEVER, yeah, i thought that too at first.. like i said before i was a functioning addict for a while.. but enough time went by.. and my thinking became whatever fuck it, i'll get high right now. The heroin eventually will envelop you.

To tell you the truth, right now, if i could hit a button, and i would maintain an opiate high for the rest of my life, I'd be EXTRMELY tempted....

 

[youarewhatyouis]

This is what im going to say.. back in the day BL, specifically the other drugs forum, and specifically some certain mods/users basically ENCOURAGED people to do iv heroin, they encouraged opiate use basically, they admitted they were addicted, they were loud and proud, essentially their stance was, im an opiate addict, but my life is better this way.

oh man, I can't stand that attitude. Sometimes people on here just act like dope is the golden child of drugs and it can do no wrong. Like its as harmless as a Flintstone vitamin or something. I just dont get it. Dope is great but its greatness makes it evil. Just straight up devil shit.

 

[frogman84]

This is how i look at it, if i have the option of always being in a state of pure bliss and oblivion, why would i do anything else?
If i can nod out 24/7/FOREVER why the fuck would i do anything? Why go to work? Why even get up in the morning? You're going to feel as good as you possibly can feel, there is no down, there is no up, you're just there.. you're feeling AMAZING, why do ANYTHING else?

Yeah, you may say, well because i want a family in life, or i want my own house on the praire or WHATEVER, yeah, i thought that too at first.. like i said before i was a functioning addict for a while.. but enough time went by.. and my thinking became whatever fuck it, i'll get high right now. The heroin eventually will envelop you.

To tell you the truth, right now, if i could hit a button, and i would maintain an opiate high for the rest of my life, I'd be EXTRMELY tempted....

I know some people think i am stupid and naive for looking at a substance and trying to see if there is any possible value in using it continually for the rest of your life. When i have written about stuff it is just with the intention of adding one more way to look at heroin use.

That frame of mind is better than no-one ever giving any thought to the problem of heroin addiction isn;t it? Or better someone spouting sermons about how all heroin users are criminals, and bad for society. However naive i am, i am only trying to look at a problem and see if there are any things we could do to make users' lives better.

Australia is leading the world with the safe injection room in kings cross... and we have, for a long time, supplied needles to users as a harm reduction strategy. The safe injecting room has been used by the country's most hardcore addicts and there has been a TOTAL of ZERO deaths upon administration of drugs at this facility after a few years of operation.

In Switzerland they ran a prescription heroin trial with a group of 700 or so heavy users. These people were initially stealing, selling themselves and whatever to get their drugs. After getting on the prescription heroin trial, they ended up getting bored... so at least a few of them went and got JOBS! They had their fix given to them everyday... and rather than doing nothing some of them went and got jobs.

The UK also has a prescription Heroin program.

So... there are now people in the world living with a constant supply of affordable heroin - And their current medical support system means that any of their friends that might also be users and on the program have about as much chance of dying everyday as anyone else in the population.

When you say that legal heroin is never going to happen. IT ALREADY IS HAPPENING.

For those users who have the disadvantage of stupid government policies towards drugs you are faced with your own particular problems, which i know end up making genuinely good natured people end up doing things they would otherwise not have done. With their lives impacted upon negatively.

Stealing is gonna make you feel like shit and gonna make you hate your life. Your friends dying is gonna make you feel like shit and hate your life. Having to devote hours each day to obtaining your medication is gonna see you sacrifice other goals in life and make you feel like shit.

And my view is that there would never be a situation where the whole world is on heroin - like Soma in Brave New World. But rather there might be a small percentage of teh population that feel they would rather medicate with opiates because after weighing up all the options it is a better choice than not living with opiates.

Obsessive compulsive disorder is an absolute fucker to live with... It has made my life quite shit in some areas.

 

[Syd_Barret]

I know some people think i am stupid and naive for looking at a substance and trying to see if there is any possible value in using it continually for the rest of your life. When i have written about stuff it is just with the intention of adding one more way to look at heroin use.

That frame of mind is better than no-one ever giving any thought to the problem of heroin addiction isn;t it? Or better someone spouting sermons about how all heroin users are criminals, and bad for society. However naive i am, i am only trying to look at a problem and see if there are any things we could do to make users' lives better.

Australia is leading the world with the safe injection room in kings cross... and we have, for a long time, supplied needles to users as a harm reduction strategy. The safe injecting room has been used by the country's most hardcore addicts and there has been a TOTAL of ZERO deaths upon administration of drugs at this facility after a few years of operation.

In Switzerland they ran a prescription heroin trial with a group of 700 or so heavy users. These people were initially stealing, selling themselves and whatever to get their drugs. After getting on the prescription heroin trial, they ended up getting bored... so at least a few of them went and got JOBS! They had their fix given to them everyday... and rather than doing nothing some of them went and got jobs.

The UK also has a prescription Heroin program.

So... there are now people in the world living with a constant supply of affordable heroin - And their current medical support system means that any of their friends that might also be users and on the program have about as much chance of dying everyday as anyone else in the population.

When you say that legal heroin is never going to happen. IT ALREADY IS HAPPENING.

For those users who have the disadvantage of stupid government policies towards drugs you are faced with your own particular problems, which i know end up making genuinely good natured people end up doing things they would otherwise not have done. With their lives impacted upon negatively.

Stealing is gonna make you feel like shit and gonna make you hate your life. Your friends dying is gonna make you feel like shit and hate your life. Having to devote hours each day to obtaining your medication is gonna see you sacrifice other goals in life and make you feel like shit.

And my view is that there would never be a situation where the whole world is on heroin - like Soma in Brave New World. But rather there might be a small percentage of teh population that feel they would rather medicate with opiates because after weighing up all the options it is a better choice than not living with opiates.

Obsessive compulsive disorder is an absolute fucker to live with... It has made my life quite shit in some areas.

Listen, i commend you for asking questions like this.

But if you have obsessive compulsive disorder, you know that you're maybe more prone to addiction that alot of other people right?
Just keep that in mind.


Can you be a dope addict and be successful? Yeah, i guess to a certain extent, you can MANAGE to keep your life together.. but i doubt very many people would say their life is BETTER because they are addicted to dope..

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Lol, I just saw that the most recent post in this thread was by Syd Barrett and I just had to add:

'Shall we pick Syd up?'
'No, fuck it, let's not bother.'

 

[frogman84]

Syd Barret: Yeah, i know. Thanks for being honest... which is a lot better for me than everyone saying - 'yeahh you'll probably be fine, go and shoot up'.

Sorry for the probably childish and naive way i was looking at heroin. But i seriously have taken on board all of what you guys have said.

I am probably fortunate that at a time when i was contemplating such a thing as heroin use i had a forum like bluelight to get some answers from.

Had i been in the same position 10 years ago, sans internet i would have no doubt gone and picked up the needle because the only information on the end result i had would have been speculative on my part.

I know i sound stupid and a wishful thinker, but my thoughts were only randopm things i ponder when bored and wanted to ask some peeps.