Heroin/Opioid MEGA-Thread: Junkies check-in here!

[null_null]

i think headache is a common side-effect from opiates.

@topic:
doing quite well and got no desire to use dope atm.
maybe ill tell my doc the next days that she should
start lowering my methadone dosage.
i want to be off that stuff around summer.

 

[placid space]

Not having much success with quiting so im trying to use very little during the day, just a bump here and there, not get high just to be normal and slowly taper off. Strangely it is working out to some extent. I am fu*king getting off of H because im sick of it.
On the other hand I have way to much free time on my hands which we all know where it leads if youre an opioid fan.
So tomorrow, ive already made the arrangements and passed the written test, im starting my motorbike license, so that should take a few hours out of the day for me, plus it will cost me quite a lot of money and I dont have much money right know because Ive tied up all the money I had for a few months in a savings account so I have no access to it. Haha, f*ck you H. If I cannot afford, I wont use it. Anyway im pretty about happy the bike license, makes me leave the house, id love to have a bit more powerfull bike. Summer should be great, especially if im clean. A girl on the back seat, driving down to the sea.

I just hope this tapering thing works out. Time just flies by, right now im still young and can change sh*t around, putting off things is just the worst. I was thinking today how little I have done the last few years in terms of any progress in my life.

 

[QuasiStoned]

personally= I have gotten headaches from taking too high a dose of opioids. I once snorted a bunch of H and got the worst headache that lasted for hours. It sucked.

Yeah I think that because of the effects opiates have on blood pressure they can cause headaches. I've gotten bad headaches from using, and then I've gotten bad headaches from withdrawals.

 

[QuasiStoned]

Placid Space that sounds pretty cool getting the motorbike license!! I tell myself that I'll do that someday too.

I just hope this tapering thing works out. Time just flies by, right now im still young and can change sh*t around, putting off things is just the worst. I was thinking today how little I have done the last few years in terms of any progress in my life.

I know what you mean by that, sometimes I think about that shit too and it's like where has the last couple of years since I've been out of high school gotten me? Not much at all, except for a drug addiction I guess.

 

[Georgie25]

(and georgie - u know my PM box is always open if u want to talk about it.....ive bn thru it, its shit, but if u want it enough, there r many ways out)

as for the headache - never had a headache from opiates, just major headaches coming off
my brother gets headaches from codeine tho....he wont take panadeine for that reason

Thanks a lot, I will definetly keep you in mind when i feel like talking to someone here. I have 40mg left right now which I should save for tommorow, but i cant go to bed knowing i could get high right now. So tommorow will be day 1 of withdrawals as i now have no connects to get anything again. Maybe it will be a good thing though, saving some money especially...

Is there any esssentials to have lying around when going thru withdrawal? I dont have access to benzos unfortunately.

I actually got a huge headache today when i snorted 40mg of oxy in the nostril i dont normally use.

 

[drug_wench]

I actually got a huge headache today when i snorted 40mg of oxy in the nostril i dont normally use.

possibly ur sinus? sinus headaches r the worst (apart from migraines) IMO

best things to hav around for withdrawal....depends on the withdrawal
if ur in severe withdrawal, id see a doctor and get some clonidine and benzos prescribed as u dont want ur BP/HR getting too high

and remember very severe opiate wd can cause seizures, hence benzos being the best for coming off if u dont hav access to bupe for tapering purposes

-otherwise, lots of loperamide and/or diastop for diarrhoea
-theres stuff ive had for stomach cramps before called gastro-soothe - dont know its generic name in the states but its chemical name is 'hyoscine butylbromide'
-metaclopramide, cyclizine or stemetil for nausea/vomitting
-various herbal preparations like valerian root/kava kava cud help with anxiety

these will only minimise ur discomfort however - ur really best to go on suboxone, whether its to taper, or to maintain for awhile
if ur going for the second option of course, only do so if ur intention is to give up opiate use!

i know i sound like a stuck record with suboxone but i just cant sing its praises enough, since its helped me so well

im handling life a lot better now ive upped my dose - amazing wat a single milligram of suboxone can do to improve my life
ive even got down to shooting sterile water only twice a week
i hav no desire to use heroin (and thats unusual for me!)

 

[Georgie25]

possibly ur sinus? sinus headaches r the worst (apart from migraines) IMO

best things to hav around for withdrawal....depends on the withdrawal
if ur in severe withdrawal, id see a doctor and get some clonidine and benzos prescribed as u dont want ur BP/HR getting too high

and remember very severe opiate wd can cause seizures, hence benzos being the best for coming off if u dont hav access to bupe for tapering purposes

-otherwise, lots of loperamide and/or diastop for diarrhoea
-theres stuff ive had for stomach cramps before called gastro-soothe - dont know its generic name in the states but its chemical name is 'hyoscine butylbromide'
-metaclopramide, cyclizine or stemetil for nausea/vomitting
-various herbal preparations like valerian root/kava kava cud help with anxiety

these will only minimise ur discomfort however - ur really best to go on suboxone, whether its to taper, or to maintain for awhile
if ur going for the second option of course, only do so if ur intention is to give up opiate use!

i know i sound like a stuck record with suboxone but i just cant sing its praises enough, since its helped me so well

im handling life a lot better now ive upped my dose - amazing wat a single milligram of suboxone can do to improve my life
ive even got down to shooting sterile water only twice a week
i hav no desire to use heroin (and thats unusual for me!)

I don't believe i need subs tbh. I've just been using 40-80mg of oxy everyday for about a month, before that I went 3 months straight with everyday heroin. The oxy withdrawal cant be TOO severe from only a month of usage could it? I still expect to experience withdrawals, as I have gone maybe a day or two during the past month or so without copping and have got the flu like symptoms, etc... I rather just do it cold turkey as well than have to right being addicted to a new drug like methadone or subs..

Thanks for the list of things to get, i'll try to pick em up tommorow at the store b4 withdrawals kick in too much

(btw this whole week is spring break so it's a perfect time to start withdrawal)

 

[drug_wench]

if u can get away with going without maintenance drugs thats obviously the best way
suboxone/methadone maintenance is really there for long-term use or chronic relapsers (i fall into the second category)

ull know how bad u get during withdrawal and ull know ur body
im just saying if ur in any danger u shud see a doctor for clonidine/benzos or to do a suboxone taper (tapering with suboxone, if done properly, will cause minimum discomfort)

and no, a month on oxy shudnt cause too severe withdrawals but then diffrent ppl react diffrently to withdrawals so see how u go
best of luck

 

[Georgie25]

if u can get away with going without maintenance drugs thats obviously the best way
suboxone/methadone maintenance is really there for long-term use or chronic relapsers (i fall into the second category)

ull know how bad u get during withdrawal and ull know ur body
im just saying if ur in any danger u shud see a doctor for clonidine/benzos or to do a suboxone taper (tapering with suboxone, if done properly, will cause minimum discomfort)

and no, a month on oxy shudnt cause too severe withdrawals but then diffrent ppl react diffrently to withdrawals so see how u go
best of luck

Do doctors give benzos to people withdrawaling? Where would I go to find a doctor to do this at? Sorry for all the questions, I just like to know everything I can before it happens. I know the H withdrawals lasted about 3 days, physically at least. Although i to fall under the chronic relaspers category and have horrible self control..

I will definetly post about how my withdrawal is going as i see myself laying in bed on my laptop the majority of the time...

(btw I just snorted the last of my oxy, i couldnt go to sleep knowing i had drugs and could do them. am now nodding out watching the movie "The package" with gene hackman...it's pretty good.)

Also does booze help with w/ds? Not like i can get it easily anyway since I'm only 20...

I'm just hoping it's nothing like the withdrawal scene from the movie Cristianne F...

I'm sick of people just looking at me and knowing i do drugs... the darkness under the eyes, greasy hair, wearing the same clothes for days, not showering for long times.......

 

[n3ophy7e]

Please be careful with using alcohol to tame the withdrawals, because you could become addicted to that instead. It would be better to get help from your doctor with meds (if absolutely necessary) rather than to self-medicate.
Good luck Georgie, let us know how you're going

 

[Georgie25]

Please be careful with using alcohol to tame the withdrawals, because you could become addicted to that instead. It would be better to get help from your doctor with meds (if absolutely necessary) rather than to self-medicate.
Good luck Georgie, let us know how you're going

I've never liked booze as a drug anyway, I would just use it to make me numb during withdrawal to help if it got too bad, it dont matter though since i doubt i can get it anyway.

I don't have a doctor or health insurance for that matter so that's also out of the question unfortunately. I seriously plan on just cold turkeying it. I think i can do it. I will def. let you know how it goes along the way...

 

[Respectable junkie]

"dirty dig" ?

^^^^ DAMN that's it? I've spent like a grand a week for the past 4 months..urgh...hey question, does anybody know if its normal to have a MAJOR MAJOR HEADACHE that lasts all day after shooting a bag of heroin? l believe this would be like my 2nd or even 1st time of actually shooting up a WHOLE BAG..so maybe that's why, but i've searched around a bit and i can't seem to find anyone discussing anything about getting a MAJOR MAJOR HEADACHE LIKE I'VE HAD all day today since my last shot from last nite, I mea i was really fucked up ...but this mornin I felt soooo dammmmm aweful!!!! urgh

Ive never had one personally but i know others that have had a dirty. Apparently it happens if you accidently inject a foreign body eg you dont filter your gear properly or you have a fiber from the filter on the end of your pin. Its supposed to make you really ill. The main symptom is a banging headache plus sweats/shivers. The only cure is to have another shot,apparently that takes is off.
This may all be complele bullshit. I have never experienced this myself,but i know many people that say they have.
I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard of or experienced a "dirty dig"

 

[Respectable junkie]

ok, so weird situation here...

A friend I used to live with called me this morning because she said that her bf had a seizure last night and when the ambulance came, so did cop cars. She said they told her dad that he was running a heroin den and asked if they knew me. She was calling because she was accusing my mom of calling the cops and saying this.

My mom had in the past, when I was living at this house and doing heroin with my friend and her brother, called the police telling them stuff, but nothing ever happened. As far as my mom knows, I am clean and I don't even talk to these friends anymore.

The only reason I can think that the cops would bring up my name is that I was arrested by the same officer that came to their house on a heroin possession charge last year, will I was staying at this house.

I'm kinda wondering if cops have been watching them this whole year or something though. I mean, needless to say this chick is really pissed, but my mom definitely didn't call anyone in the past like at least 6 months if not more.

I mean, it would be way too ironic that the day her bf seizes and an ambulance is called that my mom also calls the cops right?

I don't know what to do about this situation and I also am kinda nervous about why my name was even brought up considering I am still on probation....




ETA: Fuck.

This crackhead that is friends with these friends apparently was arrested last night when this happened. He called me this morning telling me he was going to fuck me and parents up--go to their works, have people come to our house, etc. Said he hoped I liked licking pussy in jail.

We had to call the cops to file trespassing orders. He's going to be arrested again for telephone harassment, but it's a misdemeanor and he'll got out on bond again.

I'm fairly scared.

Wow
There is always someone wanting to drag you down isn't there! Have you had any more trouble?

 

[paranoid android]

Also does booze help with w/ds?

It can numb you out but you will feel 100 times worse when it wears off. Ive drank during opiate withdrawal quite abit since im a alcoholic as well and whenever i come off opiates i end up hitting the bottle hard. I'll end up drinking loads of beer or liquor and it will numb me out for awile. Unfortunatly i usually sober up fast and it really sucks when you are suffering from a hangover and opiate WD's at the same time. It makes me sick as a dog. So ya avoid it like the plague.

Benzos are used alot for opiate withdrawals because they ease the symptoms quite abit especially if you have no tolerance. They help the bad nerves, insomnia, that crawling out of your skin feeling and the overall discomfort.

So any reasonable doctor would give them to you. 40mg's of valium a day to a non tolerant person would probably help quite abit. I find valium and temazepam to work the best since valium has more muscle relaxant properties then most other benzos and temazepam is very relaxing and is nice and sedating. Temazepam is also the only benzo i get real euphoria from.

I came off a heavy morphine habit once using temazepam, clonazepam, gabapentin, dimenhydrinate and seroquel and i just about breezed through it. I get 6mg's of clonazepam a day prescribed to me but i usually only take 4mg's so those left over clonazepam help alot. On real bad days ive taken about 16mg's of clonazepam but that is way too much for a non tolerant person. You would just black out.

 

[QuasiStoned]

It can numb you out but you will feel 100 times worse when it wears off. Ive drank during opiate withdrawal quite abit since im a alcoholic as well and whenever i come off opiates i end up hitting the bottle hard. I'll end up drinking loads of beer or liquor and it will numb me out for awile. Unfortunatly i usually sober up fast and it really sucks when you are suffering from a hangover and opiate WD's at the same time. It makes me sick as a dog. So ya avoid it like the plague.

That's pretty miuch true. I suffer from mild to moderate withdrawals and occasionally when I drink I feel a bit better but usually as I'm trying to go to sleep I'll find myself feeling about 3x worse than I did.

 

[Carl Landrover]

carl, maybe u shud stay on the subs if u want to stay clean - find the right dose to deal with ur cravings
tapering off suboxone now wen uve just stopped using H wud b pretty hard on u wudnt it?

i think luv shud hav no boundaries and its a shame that u feel u cant tell ur girl the truth but ur right - if she wud b that quick to give up on u than ur stuck between a rock and a hard place
surely she wudnt mind u taking prescribed suboxone tho wud she? u cud tell her ur going on it cos ur starting to get cravings again and dont want to relapse - that is, after all, the truth

It probably would make sense to stay on it for a while, but with the exception of my relapses, I've been on it for almost 2 months now.

I don't know what it is, maybe something with my body chemistry, but suboxone works like this for me:

First 4-6 weeks: Slight difficulty sleeping, get a motivational, energetic [slight] buzz

Post first 4-6 weeks: Complete opposite, NEED a minimum of 8 hours a sleep a night


So if I don't taper down, I'm really tired throughout the day and NEED a lot of sleep.

I have no proof of this (though I never researched it) but IMO, suboxone blocks out natural happiness [i.e. endorphins] and other natural chemicals. Even though I get the normal mental WD from tapering with suboxone, there will be moments where natural happiness feels like it's flooding in more and it feels exciting to feel that again.

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I'd like to be able to tell her about my using and I'd like to be completely honest in that regards, but she doesn't really understand the addiction and I don't want to drag her down with it. She's already worried about me since I told her I'd been having cravings.

I'd like to believe she'd stay with me, but the damage that it would do to our relationship isn't worth it IMO.

 

[xxkcxx]

Wow
There is always someone wanting to drag you down isn't there! Have you had any more trouble?

Just the fact that even though me and my friend (the brother who was out of town) were fine and dandy, his sister and this crackhead sometimes borrow his phone and the crackhead was always rude to me, but the sister just started being that way last night when I called and she was all rude about how she was on the other line and he'd have to call me back.

So I texted him and told him that I don't think we should talk for awhile.

It makes me really really sad that it had to come to this. He was one of my few friends, and really more like family.

It probably would make sense to stay on it for a while, but with the exception of my relapses, I've been on it for almost 2 months now.

I know you said you've been on it almost two months with the exception of relapses, but not to be forward, it seemed like you relapsed more than were sober for awhile. Maybe I'm thinking of your prior posts, but I'm not sure. Have you looked at how many days you used vs. sober? Maybe look back at your posts here and calculate it...

 

[Carl Landrover]

February I didn't really use too much, I think maybe only 4-5 days. The only time in the last several weeks that I used on a day aside from a Friday or Saturday was last week when I used Monday/Tuesday. I had been keeping it to the weekends and had skipped one or two somewhere in there.

 

[Georgie25]

Here's a little first day update thing.

My boy who i always cop with everyday called me and asked if i wanted to go get shit, i found it in myself to tell him nah that im taking a breaK for a little. All good. Then i go to a party where another one of my friends buys an oc 80. I turned him down when he offered me a line of it for free like 3 times until i gave in. Was only like 5mg so it shouldn't effect me anyway...I obviously didnt get high from it.

I'm not feeling too sick right now besides a runny nose. I also smoked a lot of weed which helped.

 

[Carl Landrover]

Sorry for the double post and always just talking about myself, but I don't think I explained myself too clearly before.

During different parts of the withdrawal process, I feel 'zombified' where I sit and do nothing, everything feels pointless, and I'm incredibly lethargic.

There's also a different sort 'zombified' I get sometimes when I'm on dope. I don't smile, I don't laugh, I don't cry, I don't talk. I'm just there...emotionless.


Then there's the suboxone 'zombified'. There's nothing wrong with this one on the surface. I can stay away from opiates, I exercise, I eat well, I go to work and school. That's essentially it though, focusing on daily activities. Beyond that I'm incredibly boring and dull.

As I'm tapering with suboxone, I feel different things come back to me. I feel curiousity again, a desire to experience new things, a sense of wonder. I get excited about things. I make plans, I have a feeling of ambition. At the points where I'm feeling alright, I smile more and it's a much truer smile.

Quite honestly, feeling these things is the only thing that really gives me hope that I can one day be happy in sobriety. *Insert scared but hopeful face* :D

I need to feel that hope right now. I'm at an odd pinnacle and really could go either way with this. I've chosen the 'wrong' way before, so hopefully this time will be different.


*End rant*

Sorry for not really offering any advice or anything to anyone elses problems. I do read your posts and empathize with your problems. I just don't have any actual advice to offer.