Heroin/Meth Users, I have a Question for You

[skinnyDog]

if your 18, why don't you just stick with smokin weed and chillin-THERE IS NO NEED TO GET INVOLVED WITH DOPE OR METH UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE YOUR LIFE A HARD MISERABLE AFFAIR DAY IN AND DAY OUT-AND MAKE IT TWICE AS HARD TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING OF MEANING WITH YOUR LIFE

 

[Aok]

Well it looks like the OP has moved on to less harmful things for now.... Robo tripping. Gotta say I'm relieved.

 

[stuckinaloop]

i would stay away from opiates all together

tell her to take oxy and not heroin is stupid IMO...

but I think most will agree..dont mess with opiates, they will fucking get you

i think the biggest percentage of addicts on this board are opiate addicts

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Aok-- Robotripping can be less harmful or more harmful depending on what shes drinking to get the DXM, many products can harm the liver pretttty bad, so ask what brand she is using.

Did you read what I said about your son, I sent you a PM too, I really would like to help you.

 

[Aok]

Aok-- Robotripping can be less harmful or more harmful depending on what shes drinking to get the DXM, many products can harm the liver pretttty bad, so ask what brand she is using.

Did you read what I said about your son, I sent you a PM too, I really would like to help you.

Hey smokey,
My kid didn't move on to Robo...( thank goodness) the girl who started this thread did..... I ran across another post of hers!

I got your message but I can't reply back! It says I can only reply to staff right now until I become a blueighter...

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Aok- Good, Im glad your kid didn't move to robo-tripping.

I really think with the support he has that he actually stands a good chance of getting and staying clean.

Suboxone can be recreational, but only if the user has NO TOLERANCE and since your son has been on opiates in the past Im sure he isn't getting much enjoyment out of it anyways.

If you can get him on a legitimate legal suboxone program and be assured that hes taking the dose he's prescribed every day it actually becomes very easy to taper off of, most addicts can get by on as little as a half a pill to start with and cut down significantly from there. I went from 4mg to .5 in one year.

I think your doing a great job with your son no matter what you choose to do, having someone who cares and is willing to help a junky detox is more than most of us have.....and a good enough reason to quit dope right there.

Let me know how it works out for you, I really wish you and your son both the best

 

[monstanoodle]

In other words, based on your experience with both or one of the two drugs, what would you say to someone wanting to try one of them?

Don't.

 

[Albion]

Is it just me, or is there actually a visible difference in the coherence and writing style of members who have/have had meth addictions. It could just be a coincidence, but so far reading through this thread, those writing from the heroin user standpoint seem so much more coherent and pulled together in their posts than the often rambling, disjointed posts from the meth users. Could the brain damage attributed to prolonged meth use be showing through this obviously??

 

[monstanoodle]

They could just be without sleep / extremely wired or something of the sort.
I've not really looked into Meth that much - is brain damage an issue with long term use? I suppose it is neurotoxic isn't it...

 

[footscrazy]

Is it just me, or is there actually a visible difference in the coherence and writing style of members who have/have had meth addictions. It could just be a coincidence, but so far reading through this thread, those writing from the heroin user standpoint seem so much more coherent and pulled together in their posts than the often rambling, disjointed posts from the meth users. Could the brain damage attributed to prolonged meth use be showing through this obviously??

No doubt meth is neurotoxic, but I think that's a pretty sweeping generalisation to make. I know plenty of meth users on this site who can write coherently and clearly, including me

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

and plenty of heroin users who complete forget what the hell their talking about and ramble....like me.

but thats more to do with the pot id suspect.

so my dog is so cute

I saw this cop yesterday and he could of beeen dirty and sold meth to this kid I know john, cuz he says he knows a dirty cop...

I wonder if the bike cop is dirty...

oh yea what bout meth now.

 

[rpm]

What would you say to an 18 year old wanting to use heroin? My poisons are weed, E, and alcohol. But ever since I rolled for the first time, I've found myself wanting to try harder and harder drugs. So...what do you think? Should I try heroin or meth? Or are those two worlds just way too dangerous to get myself mixed up in? In other words, based on your experience with both or one of the two drugs, what would you say to someone wanting to try one of them?

OK I skipped to the end and didn't read the thread - sue me.

Basicaly, my experiences, fleeting as they are, have been with heroin and crack. Crack is far to expensive and a bit like pushing the "I rule the world" button for five minutes, followed by craving for an hour. I haven't tried it since. Heroin - I suppose it's ok once you get past the vomiting stage - but I had this weird feeling that I would only start liking it once I got addicted. To me it's like fags with added euphoria.

Both drugs I have personaly seen ruin lives and turn some of my best friends against me: I would say don't do it. By the way you mention that you want harder drugs - well why not try some: LSD, DMT, 2cb, 2ce, cocaine, mushrooms, ketamine, speed - the list is almost endless. By the way, and this is just my view, but you will get much more out of trips than you will from thinks like smack, crack, cocaine or meth. I'm just saying, give it a go - you might discover something interesting.

 

[rpm]

The question is, are the highs you get from meth and heroin worth all the danger? I answered that question in the affirmative, played around with both drugs, and came out all right in the end (my problem drugs have always been pharmaceuticals).

The thing I have is the highs from both these dugs are un-informative (they merely push the happy button). The high from cannnabis, MDMA, trips, ketamine ect. is mind expanding and changes your perspective on the world in a way that I don't think meth or heroin can.

I'm sure many of us here have known middle-class professionals who indulged occasionally on the weekend– teachers on speed, lawyers on smack, etc. These people can give you the false impression that everything you ever learned about those drugs is bullshit. Fair enough, we've gone through life being told that you'll get addicted your first time, everything will go downhill, etc., then you meet a few people who, from all outward appearances, do just fine. But said appearances can be misleading.

I would say that I fit that category. I don't do the hard stigmatised drugs because they just push my pleasure buttons. But I have done pretty much every drug at one time or another. I manage to hold down a research job in cognitive neuroscience. As you say looks can be decieving I would like to point out that drugs have often been a hinderence. Had I never taken them I would probably have started uni at oxford and then had the world as my oyster for lecturing and research positions. As it is I went to an OK uni, and almost screwed up by undergrad by taking mdma every day for a few months. I've also been arrested twice which is difficult to explain on a job interview.

Having said that I am who I am because of what I have done, and the mind expanding qualities of the drugs I have taken have given me a deaper insight than some into complex problems. Not only that but I have landed in a good research unit, which, while up there with the elite of oxbridge or ivy leage, is persuiing research right at the cutting edge.

Sorry this has turned into quite a rant, but I suppose what I am saying is be careful. If you are a sensible person you will mange to find your way. If not then I would stay away from most drugs altogether.

 

[stuckinaloop]

i would have not gotten addicted if i vomited every time i did dope when i first did it lol

OK I skipped to the end and didn't read the thread - sue me.

Basicaly, my experiences, fleeting as they are, have been with heroin and crack. Crack is far to expensive and a bit like pushing the "I rule the world" button for five minutes, followed by craving for an hour. I haven't tried it since. Heroin - I suppose it's ok once you get past the vomiting stage - but I had this weird feeling that I would only start liking it once I got addicted. To me it's like fags with added euphoria.

Both drugs I have personaly seen ruin lives and turn some of my best friends against me: I would say don't do it. By the way you mention that you want harder drugs - well why not try some: LSD, DMT, 2cb, 2ce, cocaine, mushrooms, ketamine, speed - the list is almost endless. By the way, and this is just my view, but you will get much more out of trips than you will from thinks like smack, crack, cocaine or meth. I'm just saying, give it a go - you might discover something interesting.

 

[rpm]

i would have not gotten addicted if i vomited every time i did dope when i first did it lol

LOL

Fair enough, I only did it 6 times, and it was mostly peer preasure (perhaps my "friends" gave me too much).

 

[Aok]

LOL

Fair enough, I only did it 6 times, and it was mostly peer preasure (perhaps my "friends" gave me too much).

"Friends".... I used to think I had a lot of those when the bars closed and I owned a home. We'd stay up doin' blow 'til those birds started chirping.(robins or sparrows?) I used to hate hearing those birds! When I decided partying 'til the birds sang wasn't for me anymore, my "friends" stopped calling.

My life turned out alright despite my party days. But kids these days, including my two want to rush into everything. What's the hurry? I didn't try blow for over ten years after weed. I guess the key is to know your limits, know when to say no, and quit while you're ahead. BTW, I like birds now!

 

[Aok]

Aok- Good, Im glad your kid didn't move to robo-tripping.

I really think with the support he has that he actually stands a good chance of getting and staying clean.

Suboxone can be recreational, but only if the user has NO TOLERANCE and since your son has been on opiates in the past Im sure he isn't getting much enjoyment out of it anyways.

If you can get him on a legitimate legal suboxone program and be assured that hes taking the dose he's prescribed every day it actually becomes very easy to taper off of, most addicts can get by on as little as a half a pill to start with and cut down significantly from there. I went from 4mg to .5 in one year.

I think your doing a great job with your son no matter what you choose to do, having someone who cares and is willing to help a junky detox is more than most of us have.....and a good enough reason to quit dope right there.

Let me know how it works out for you, I really wish you and your son both the best

I just want to thank you again for all your suggestions and information. My story is rather complicated since it involves my 2 sons, 27 and 21 yrs. I ask for info in regards to both on here. Things are a little quieter for now.
When I become a *real* bluelighter, I'll tell you all about it sometime in an email.
Thanks again for being so helpful.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

SweetP suggested my kid might be better off on suboxone. Apparently he is according to his bro. Do you feel anything from those, like a high in anyway? And if it's supposed to block opiate effects, would he feel a Xanax? BTW, thanks to all who keep answering my questions. Like I said in an early post, I've tried lots if drugs in my lifetime, but heroin, oxycontins and suboxone are ones I know nothing about, but I sure have been learning a lot! I could Google all of this I guess, but I'd rather hear it from real people with real experiences.

Suboxone is a miracle. I haven't used heroin in over 17 months now, thanks to Suboxone. I would have relapsed over and over again without it.

Yeah you can still feel Xanax on Suboxone. The combination is very pleasant. However it's nothing like heroin, and even if your kid was on Xanax (at a responsible dose - something that a doctor controlled, and kept at a reasonable amount) and Suboxone, it's better than a dope habit by far.

Suboxone is a partial agonist opiate, it doesn't "block" the effects of other opiates like an antagonist, until you dose very high with it.

Overall it's very effective because it helps relieve opiate WD symptoms. If you were to take Suboxone you would likley get high, if your kids are to take Suboxone, they are likely just to feel "better" and not "sick". It would help them be functional.

Not everyone responds positively to Suboxone. With that being said, I did, and it's still a miracle.

 

[Aok]

Captain, I'm so glad to hear that you are clean that long..... Bravo! I've been watching Sober House. After the guy from Alice in Chains was finally becoming normal, they stopped his suboxone. Now he's back to being angry and mean. If it was doing good things for him, why'd they take it away? Makes no sense.

 

[Raillery]

If you're set on trying one, I'd go with heroin. Although I ended up getting addicted to heroin not meth, this was because once I tried meth I realized just how addicting it is and stayed away from it for awhile. Heroin on the other hand didn't seem nearly as addicting, but then one day I noticed withdrawals and knew it had snuck up on me. Also, meth makes you fuckin crazy. Don't shoot it. I shot h the first time I tried it and never wanted it any other way.