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are you in a fentanyl area? because fent has less euphoria and causes a lot more ODs
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are you in a fentanyl area? because fent has less euphoria and causes a lot more ODs
kleinerkiffer
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^Try an antihistamine
Madrus
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Considering pure heroin:
What average dose intravenous will knock someone to sleep involuntarily?
What average dose intravenous will cause deadly respiratory depression?
^ Is that same dose the same as the LD50?
What average dose intravenous will knock someone to sleep involuntarily?
What average dose intravenous will cause deadly respiratory depression?
^ Is that same dose the same as the LD50?
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SKL
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none of this can be said with regards to you, really
very little can be said with regards to people in general, there being great differences among people in tolerance (even assuming you say to be starting from "pure" heroin, which, aside from having a few shades of meaning, isn't really something you'll likely encounter except under very tightly controlled legal medical access in certain jurisdiction, improisational measures to purify black-market products notwithstanding)
there is loads of data, of course, easily found, reading LD50[/sub, inter alia, in rats and other species (and if we are speaking of the deadly dose, yes, we're probably speaking of respiratory depression, but what difference to you mean, unless you're talking about a hospitalized patient on a ventilator getting pumped full of fentanyl possibly/probably + other stuff?)
one does, thoguh, wonder why you ask the question.
the match between ED50 in knocking a person out non-lethally (not the same as the ED50 you'll probably see with regards to analgesia, etc. in various medical studies) is a more difficult question, as this dose tends to rather uncomfortably approximate the LD50, despite the number of junkies who go on pleasant nods without any real danger of death (absent presence of other drugs), which is another thing entirely (look up the use of fentanyl in anaesthesia or carfentanil, etc. in the immobilization of large animals, the need fo respiratory support in the presence of really "knocking someone out" safely or the rapid reversal with an antagonist, Narcan being insufficient for the more potent variants, there is a special type of antagonist that comes prepackaged with veterinary large-animal carfentanil, I don't remember the name, it's easily Googled, though, I'm sure)
but the question remains, what are you really asking? (if not just academically, in which case the answer is "...")
very little can be said with regards to people in general, there being great differences among people in tolerance (even assuming you say to be starting from "pure" heroin, which, aside from having a few shades of meaning, isn't really something you'll likely encounter except under very tightly controlled legal medical access in certain jurisdiction, improisational measures to purify black-market products notwithstanding)
there is loads of data, of course, easily found, reading LD50[/sub, inter alia, in rats and other species (and if we are speaking of the deadly dose, yes, we're probably speaking of respiratory depression, but what difference to you mean, unless you're talking about a hospitalized patient on a ventilator getting pumped full of fentanyl possibly/probably + other stuff?)
one does, thoguh, wonder why you ask the question.
the match between ED50 in knocking a person out non-lethally (not the same as the ED50 you'll probably see with regards to analgesia, etc. in various medical studies) is a more difficult question, as this dose tends to rather uncomfortably approximate the LD50, despite the number of junkies who go on pleasant nods without any real danger of death (absent presence of other drugs), which is another thing entirely (look up the use of fentanyl in anaesthesia or carfentanil, etc. in the immobilization of large animals, the need fo respiratory support in the presence of really "knocking someone out" safely or the rapid reversal with an antagonist, Narcan being insufficient for the more potent variants, there is a special type of antagonist that comes prepackaged with veterinary large-animal carfentanil, I don't remember the name, it's easily Googled, though, I'm sure)
but the question remains, what are you really asking? (if not just academically, in which case the answer is "...")
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none of this can be said with regards to you, really, maybe[?]
very little can be said with regards to people in general, there being great differences among people in tolerance (even assuming you say to be starting from "pure" heroin, which, aside from having a few shades of meaning, isn't really something you'll likely encounter except under very tightly controlled legal medical access in certain jurisdiction, improisational measures to purify black-market products notwithstanding)
there is loads of data, of course, easily found, reading LD50, inter alia, in rats and other species (and if we are speaking of the deadly dose, yes, we're probably speaking of respiratory depression, but what difference to you mean, unless you're talking about a hospitalized patient on a ventilator getting pumped full of fentanyl possibly/probably + other stuff?)
one does, thoguh, wonder why you ask the question.
the match between ED50 in knocking a person out non-lethally (not the same as the ED50 you'll probably see with regards to analgesia, etc. in various medical studies), call it the ND50 = (E(A ∩ (~D))50), with A = set of anaesthetic doses and D = set of lethal doses irrespective of need for medical support but without regards to pure lethality; that is to say which E is a more difficult question, as this dose tends to rather uncomfortably approximate the LD50, despite the number of junkies who go on pleasant nods without any real danger of death (absent presence of other drugs), which is another thing entirely (look up the use of fentanyl in anaesthesia or carfentanil, etc. in the immobilization of large animals, the need fo respiratory support in the presence of really "knocking someone out" safely or the rapid reversal with an antagonist, Narcan being insufficient for the more potent variants, there is a special type of antagonist that comes prepackaged with veterinary large-animal carfentanil, I don't remember the name, it's easily Googled, though, I'm sure)
there is no such thing as the ND50, and with good reason, it too rapidly approaches the LD50, and this is why fentanyl(s) kill such a fuckton of people, they get just where they want to get as far as being high and then wind upin oh-shit-i'm-dead territory as opposed to dope where it might (emph. might) be OK
but the question remains, what are you really asking? (if not just academically, in which case the answer is "…………")
very little can be said with regards to people in general, there being great differences among people in tolerance (even assuming you say to be starting from "pure" heroin, which, aside from having a few shades of meaning, isn't really something you'll likely encounter except under very tightly controlled legal medical access in certain jurisdiction, improisational measures to purify black-market products notwithstanding)
there is loads of data, of course, easily found, reading LD50, inter alia, in rats and other species (and if we are speaking of the deadly dose, yes, we're probably speaking of respiratory depression, but what difference to you mean, unless you're talking about a hospitalized patient on a ventilator getting pumped full of fentanyl possibly/probably + other stuff?)
one does, thoguh, wonder why you ask the question.
the match between ED50 in knocking a person out non-lethally (not the same as the ED50 you'll probably see with regards to analgesia, etc. in various medical studies), call it the ND50 = (E(A ∩ (~D))50), with A = set of anaesthetic doses and D = set of lethal doses irrespective of need for medical support but without regards to pure lethality; that is to say which E is a more difficult question, as this dose tends to rather uncomfortably approximate the LD50, despite the number of junkies who go on pleasant nods without any real danger of death (absent presence of other drugs), which is another thing entirely (look up the use of fentanyl in anaesthesia or carfentanil, etc. in the immobilization of large animals, the need fo respiratory support in the presence of really "knocking someone out" safely or the rapid reversal with an antagonist, Narcan being insufficient for the more potent variants, there is a special type of antagonist that comes prepackaged with veterinary large-animal carfentanil, I don't remember the name, it's easily Googled, though, I'm sure)
there is no such thing as the ND50, and with good reason, it too rapidly approaches the LD50, and this is why fentanyl(s) kill such a fuckton of people, they get just where they want to get as far as being high and then wind upin oh-shit-i'm-dead territory as opposed to dope where it might (emph. might) be OK
but the question remains, what are you really asking? (if not just academically, in which case the answer is "…………")
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oceankisses65
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This may not be a question for this thread, I could not find one being I have terrible ADHD, I get lost and lose my concentration rapidly, that is what H did for me, it helped me to concentrate, focus and gave me energy. I never nodded out unless I did a lot. I am actually on the second day of not using with the help of 2 mg of subs yesterday, I only did 2mg and drank a gram of Meng Da kratom and 2 clonidines today, last night sucked all the flu-like symptoms although today. This may help someone in the long run. My question is, what herb or legal party pill will truly real to help to give my energy back. I know exercise, please do not hit me with that. I have been using for over 3 years now, I am horrible at getting into that. I always need something to take to start me off to exercise. Whatever advice out there will help. Thank you in advance. Please excuse if there are type os. I didn't even have the patience to write this. Thank you again. By they way I am a young 51-year-old, not a young kid.
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Rachella666
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Ocean, what ROA are you taking H?
Madrus
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Safety.
New question:
When you need to rotate to a new site, how "far" should you rotate?
- Choose spot on that same vein?
- Choose a new vein "segment"
- Choose a whole new vein?
- Choose a whole new limb?
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Madrus
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Next question:
Is an isopropyl alcohol soak sufficient to re-use a cooker?
edit: http://indianarecoveryalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Safer-Use-Zine-9.8.15.pdf
Is an isopropyl alcohol soak sufficient to re-use a cooker?
edit: http://indianarecoveryalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Safer-Use-Zine-9.8.15.pdf
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Madrus
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Next question:
If you were to infect yourself with bacteria that causes infections, would you immediately know as you put the plunger down? Or would you just get sick within a day?
If you were to infect yourself with bacteria that causes infections, would you immediately know as you put the plunger down? Or would you just get sick within a day?
fakeit2makeit
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not a good person to get advice from as far as rotating sites goes, and I never cooked my dope but..
cotton fever - you know in 30-60 min in my experience, and its awful.
cotton fever - you know in 30-60 min in my experience, and its awful.
kleinerkiffer
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Depends on the bacteria as different strains have different incubation periods
'medicine cabinet'
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I could have given you the ld50 but skl answered it better than I could have..
Use a new vein. You keep puncturing the same area and you will bruise and hurt your veins. I don't have many tracks but my veins are def not as good as they used to be.
And if you were to inject bacteria or something it would depend on many things. You could end up with endocarditis, you could get cotton fever in which case you would be sick as sick is in 45min or so.
Are you a new user? There is a great FAQ on safe injection.
Lobsterbutch
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Isopropyl alcohol is probably not fine to disinfect tools used in intravenous ROA's. Its way better to find a new "sterile" cooker, but if you totally cant find a new one I believe there's a process to bleach the cooker. Isopropyl alcohol isn't going to totally sterilize whatever it is, and since its going directly in your blood (or stuff that contacts it will be in your blood), you're gonna want to find something better. Try Bleaching and you could also try sterilizing it via steaming it at very high temperatures (sorta like how autoclaves the hospital has does) or boiling it, then bleaching it. You can never be too careful. But no matter what you do to it, it wont be as safe as getting new sterile cookers and there's still a chance of infection if you don't. It's good HR to have sterile and new everything but it is what it is and you have what you have.
mostly-human
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The high from benzos is almost non-existent. Yet they have a similar legacy of addictive potential and nightmare withdrawals.
I can tell you now, there are definitely far more euphoric drugs than heroin (MDMA comes to mind, Mushrooms in the right setting, etc) - but underestimating heroin is at your own peril.
One of the reasons it is able to get its hooks in so well is that you're rapidly in a situation where you can easily go about your business, whilst taking quite high doses, so you start taking it before work, etc - and before you know it - you're addicted. And then - for the rest of your life, your brain will create these thoughts that you *need* it.
Do not underestimate the nightmare that heroin can become.
Lol. This is what I think too. Even while in an opiate run.
What you say sound like "famous last words"
See you in the opiate withdrawal megathread in a short amount of time
The stuff is that you get accustomed to the high very quickly. In a short time (5-6 days) of continuous usage, even if 1 time 1 day, you will feel basically like there is no problem in your life anymore (even if there was no problem from the beginning). A short time after that, opiate will even give you the energy to go through life. You are heading toward big problem when you come to that.
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Madrus
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Say you've registered but then slip out, now as usual, I'm left with a dark red heroin solution. How do you save it?
Can you recook it into a new syringe? (without heat)
Can you recook it into a new syringe? (without heat)
ttheweezyweezer
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I'm a long time lurker of this site and first time poster. I have read lots of missed injection threads with no avail to finding one that somewhat clears up his questions. When I first missed (only a month into IV use) I missed in my lucky spot that's always been there in the crease of my elbow. It turned into a small bump and went away after about 5 days. Since then I haven't been able to use that vein as it's hard with what I thinks is scar tissue. In those 5 days I switched to a different arm with some luck but also a couple misses resulting in the other elbow crease veins becoming non usable afterwards and those had barely been used so, I don't understand how they hardened from just a miss one time after only being used for injection maybe 10 times always with sharp rigs? Im wondering if that's normal and if there's a way to use that vein even with it being hardened somewhat because I have pretty prominent veins from being a former body builder. but the forearm veins not in the crease of my elbow have become less prominent from not working out and are very hard to hit without tieing off. Secondly, when I have hit the forearm veins after being forced to, I always find it, flag it, then half way thru the shot miss a bit and has to restart. When this has happened I have used a warm compress and made it go down but then it becomes a larger area that is sore but not raised as much, but hardens and swells a bit and ruins a big area I might be able to find good veins in for at least a week or so. I see everyone reporting the swelling going down and that being that but not it spreading wider and effecting a larger area that can't be used for IV'ing, is what I'm experiencing normal or am I doing something wrong with treating my missed shots? Clearly im a novice and apologize for my novel of a post, But this has been bugging me for a few weeks and Im tired of puncturing myself over and over with half ass results, wasting dope, my time, and patience.
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