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The thing is, IV use is not a way to defeat tolerance...your tolerance will continue to rise, only this time the stakes will be higher because you shoot (and thus have a much higher chance of a use-related complication.

So, basically, you may save some money in the very short term but...not gonna last
 
Yo, not trying to be a dick, but you're going to fuck your life over if you switch to IVing

I was the same way when I sniffed

"I can still work, it helps with ___, it's not like I'm robbing and stealing to get it, it should be legal anyway, etc"

you dont save money by switching to IV because your tolerance goes up too fast and the high becomes shorter as your tolerance goes up because your start needing the next shot just to stay normal

you say you're aware of that but idk if you really understand what that entails. You can't work if you're dope sick. You can't make money if you don't work. You can't buy heroin if you don't have money. But being sick isn't an option either. Suddenly, robbing a bank seems like a good idea. The dope will talk to you. "Just do it pussy, only the people who do it multiple times get caught"

next thing you know you're in a state prison for armed robbery.

But, uh, good luck I guess

im sure you're going to respond with a bunch of reasons why it won't happen to you but w/e
 
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Man just toss all your rigs and cookers or better yet bend the needles so you can't use them. There is no coming back...it's true..I don't know a single fucking person that looked back fondly of switching to iv. It gets romanticized but in reality it makes everything so much worse and also you are going to have times when your veins are busted up and you're all bloody bc you cant register, track marks, abcesses ,

And yeah youre in the cycle already...don't set the cycle to high speed because you will reach the bottom of the drain much faster.

I gave ten years to the needle and it fucked me in the ass and didn't even have the goddamn courtesy to give me a reach around.

I'm still hooked...just on methadone not smack. Just try to sniff enough to get by and smoke and take benzos rarely..bc they are more insidious than opis Imo...meaning the severity of WD.
 
The bank robbery example was kind of extreme now that I think about it, but I was trying to convey the sheer idiocy of some of the ideas you will come up with to get heroin when you are sick. Stuff you would never consider without the promise of dope at the end.

because your main thought process is "I don't care how I have to get it, because once I get it I won't care about how I had to get it"

it's not enhancing your life dude, it's becoming your life.
 
The bank robbery example was kind of extreme now that I think about it, but I was trying to convey the sheer idiocy of some of the ideas you will come up with to get heroin when you are sick. Stuff you would never consider without the promise of dope at the end.

because your main thought process is "I don't care how I have to get it, because once I get it I won't care about how I had to get it"

it's not enhancing your life dude, it's becoming your life.

Not extreme..I k ew someone who robbed a store at gunpoint (unloaded) of course he got caught and endedup doing like 5 years

Chicks trick, shit so do some dudes. It's ugly. Id always think about robbing a pharmacy when I was all in wd. Some people e d up acting on it.
 
Hate to break it to you dude, but you're addicted to heroin. Trust me, I used to be just like that.

and im far from being truly successful at anything yet but I'm sure as fuck better than I was a year ago

it seems bad now because you are just looking at it for what is is at the moment and not in the bigger picture

I mean, seriously, it doesnt take that long to go through heroin withdrawals. Of course it fucking sucks, but so does being a heroin addict. It doesn't take long to get back on your feet

Have you ever tried suboxone?
 
I haven't been involved in this bit with you but I'm gonna just say so you've got more voices telling you right that you need to hold off on trying to shoot it. It WILL NOT be worth it, and you'll know so, and you won't be able to stop despite it. You won't manage to score another job and hike up some savings again, and yes tolerance will skyrocket and much faster so forget about thinking it'll save you any money in the short term. Anyway, I have a new question of my own for you nice folks.

I I got a couple new bags of rock, same guy it's always been, and if anything it's better than ever before—but they have these dark spots all over instead of being flush white/tan colored, and it's making me feel more sick to my stomach than it usually ever has. Anyone know what it might be? It had been a week since I had any again and I did sort of jump right back into the big doses I'd been doing so think it could simply be the timing and amount, but the dark spots are totally new: anyone seen that before on rocks?
 
my bad Shroomy, your posts are kind of confusing tbh

its like you understand that heroin is ruining your life in one sentence, and then the very next you come up with a bunch of other reasons why its really not because of heroin.

You openly admit to being an isolated drug addict, yet say you dont need advice on something you dont want to quit.

Im not trying to come at you or anything, because this is all stuff people in active addiction will feel at some point

not sure who came up with this quote but it is very true

"Heroin: the drug you cannot live with or without"
 
Shroomy, don't take this the wrong way but dope is manipulating your puppet strings and you can't see it (or more likely know it deep down but are managing to lie to yourself because it's easier). I've been there man.

You're seriously considering crossing a threshold from which few have returned, and into which many (probably even some you knew) have been devoured.
 
If you can actually ONLY IV exactly half the amount of dope you normally sniff, every single day, then yes you'll be able to save twice as much money.

The thing is, with the rush and the way that effects the high when doing IV compared to sniffing, pretty much 90%+ of people will end up IVing more than half of what they used to sniff, until they end up IVing just as much dope as they sniffed after like a few weeks. Once that happens you're spending just as much money AND you're going to be TWICE as dope sick when you run out. Then after a few months those same people are IVing more than they used to sniff and are gonna be OVER TWICE as dope sick when they run out.

So if you think you can be one of the 1/100 people that can swap to IV use from sniffing and STICK TO DOING EXACTLY HALF OR LESS amount wise as when you were sniffing it, you'll be able to spend half as much money on dope. Just good luck is all.
 
I agree, there is a near zero chance that switching to IV will result in a net savings in daily dope usage.

It has been my experience that any time one switches to a method that delivers more drug faster, their tolerance quickly adjusts to that new amount. And that's just early on. In a matter of weeks you'll discover that you need to increase your dose even more.

And ziggo is totally correct when he says that you'll suffer a heavier withdrawal syndrome upon cessation - your w/d will be worse (not just because of the direct IV delivery but also because of the aforementioned dose escalation), will kick in sooner, and last longer. Downright withering...one withering rattle like that and you'll do anything to never be sick again.

And to address what you said in reply to me, shroomy - yes, I have been there on all counts. At the ripe old age of 22 I herniated my L5 disc so badly that I couldn't walk for two days, then I was gimpy-limpin' for like a month (not to mention it was excruciatingly painful 24/7). As you may know, herniated discs don't heal - it's a permanent wound that can get worse with one improper lift. I have at least a background 2.5/10 pain level at all times and sometimes it jumps to 6 or 7 out of 10. That's what happened to me two months ago and i got back on H for about a month to ride out the pain. Then I used subs to come off again when my spine went back to its normal 2.5/10 pain level.

I've also "been there" when it comes to rationalizing problem drug (ab)use to myself in order to fool my conscience into allowing me to continue using H, even in the face of adverse effects on my life. This rationalization has resulted in continued use where normally (as with most other substances, like alcohol, benzos, cannabis, etc) I'd be able to exercise self control.

Anyways man...im not gonna pretend I know exactly where you're coming from, but I recognize your symptoms because I've had the same illness. The patient can't be cured until he realizes that he's sick.

You will obviously go the route you want to go regardless, so please remember if you're going to slam: use a proper filter, and keep narcan on hand (if I'm not mistaken I believe you can buy a narcan kit at any pharmacy and by law they have to sell you one, no questions asked, no records kept - that's my understanding anyways). Better yet, have narcan AND a sober sitter that can administer it to you (if you need it then you'll likely be QUITE unconscious, not breathing, and blue-lipped - in other words, due for brain damage and possibly death in minutes).

Best of luck to you, shroomy. I hope you find what you're looking for (and not something you aren't looking for). Remember that the people bouncing these "don't do it" pep talks off you are people who have crossed the line and are reporting that there is nothing good on that side. Nothing good!
 
My bad shroomy, you made it clear earlier in the thread that you've abandoned the idea of slamming - i think that's a great choice, bro.

My bad for missing that and giving you a treatise on it.
 
OKAY so I've been getting this new batch and it's black tar but the middle is white. I have apicture I could upload. Can someone explain what I have here.?
 
I dont mean to be a fascist or mod-wannabe, but don't think the BLUA allows us to ID substances.

Maybe get a testing kit? It could be anything. Try separating it from the rest and see how it reacts to heat, its level of water solubility, etc. Heroin melts and bubbles in the presence of heat and is highly water-soluble (im not sure about all formulations, but that is certainly true of tar).
 
OKAY so I've been getting this new batch and it's black tar but the middle is white. I have apicture I could upload. Can someone explain what I have here.?


Sounds like "gunpowder" which is white powdered heroin, stuck inside of black tar heroin. It's normally not that strong, but it can be.

Anyways to ShroomySatori, I just tried to only do 1 shot of H today, I ended up doing 4. That's how strong the cravings are for IV use compared to snorting.
 
@Shroomy "Also, I'd be interested in personal stories about what happened after some of you switched over."

Well first of all I agree with this other commenter here who stated your story is kinda confusing although I find it a bit confusing for another reason. You say you're on H for about 5 years now and sniff about 0.1 g a day right? This is an extremely low dose which is good news btw but I don't see how this dose can help you with chronic back pain. Generally your tolerance goes up pretty quick with H although it's possible to use daily and always take the same amount if you're a very disciplined person, and it certainly helps when you have a stable environment otherwise. I know this guy who's on H for over 2 decades now and steadily only sniffs about a quarter g a day. He works fulltime (for over 20 years!!) but otherwise is a total hermit and hangs around in his apartment, no other activities. His employer knows he's addicted and he looks a bit rough, like with many junkies he neglects personal hygiene but not to the extent that people who have no clue about dope could just tell what's the matter with him. Also his apartment doesn't look like your average addicts room, it's pretty clean. If you ask him about his drug use he will state that he needs it to function yet at the same time I never felt that sense of urgency when he talks about what dope means in his life that I feel for myself when it comes to H. I know tons of other addicts and users but from the longtime addicts he's the only one I know who's for two decades on the same small dose and constantly works, no rehab, no prison stints, nothing else. Your comments just reminded me of him a bit although I wondered if you're really truthful about how long you use. No offence but on the Net for some reasons when it comes to drug discussion there are so many bullshitters and druggie wannabees although I fail to see what's so glorious to be addicted to dope.

Myself I'm a chronic longtime addict and I would advice against IV use but not for the same reasons people usually are against it. Usually people discourage IV use because of an irrational fear of the needle coupled with (when they happen to be users themselves) a self-righteous attitude that one form of consumption somehow makes them better or less of an addict themselves. As far as addiction goes it makes absolutely no difference if you sniff it, smoke it, take it orally, rectally or shoot it up. Really it makes no difference addiction-wise. But healthwise it makes a difference, smoking is hard on your lungs, sniffing affects your nose, orally your stomach and shooting up your veins. Of course there are other side effects like Hep. C, HIV and such but I'll let these aside here. I sniffed H for about 3.5 years before I started to shoot it up. This was at a time when the street dope was way better than the crap you'll find these days, estimated degree of purity ranged between 35-60% during these years. Started out with my arms, then after these fat veins collapsed used my hands, then fingers. It took me between 10 to 20 min. per shot. Then I gave up on my arms and started to shoot in my thighs and on the outer and inner side there and worked my way down to the lower legs. Often it took me up to an hour until I found a vein, esp. in the morning. Fast forward another 4 years of shooting in my legs and the situation became real ugly. I shot in my foot, the back of my lower legs and knees, just about everywhere where I still could reach myself and inject. I used to place a couple newspapers on the floor because I had to make countless attempts and blood would run down my leg. I had huge piles of used needles on my table (Thank god in Europe they have syringes where one can exchange the needle unless these shitty insulin syringes they sell in the freaking US), used one for about 4-5 attempts and then changed the needle. It often took me up to 2 hours which meant I was forced to abort the first attempt because the blood inside got thick and clogged the needle. At first I'd remove the needle, press the clogged blood out, put a new needle on and continue. But after more than an hour the shot is useless so I had to throw it away. And we're talking 0.7 g shots here. So I had to cook another one up and continue for the second try. There were mornings where I had to do 3 tries and after 2.5 hours I had some kind of nervous breakdown, dripping with ugly sweat and started to cry and curse the universe. For a while I went back to my hands and started to shoot into the palm of my hands and fingers (side), I had to buy special very thin and short needles in the pharmacy and learn the right technique to inject into the capillaries. Pretty painful but the withdrawals and my general stubbornness made me do it. Then I kinda gave up and went back to sniffing for a couple weeks, found it highly unsatisfying and switched to smoking which wasn't better so I switched back to sniffing. Finally I had the idea to have one of my customers (was selling dope at that time) shoot me up. Every morning between 7 and 7.30 he'd show up, I gave him his piece and after he shot up I lay down and he injected me behind my shoulders, back or behind the legs where I couldn't reach myself. It worked pretty good but these were all very thin small veins and they kept collapsing of course way faster than the big thick veins (like on the arms). After another arrest and prison detox I went back to sniffing while waiting for my second trial. Finally I ended up in a H maintenance program where I'm still at these days. I get pure H twice a day and still shoot it although the only veins left are on my feet. Since it's pure H the veins don't collapse resp. you can shoot up to 8-12 months in ONE freaking vein while if I'd shoot street dope there it would be gone after maybe 2-3 shots. And the veins I used with pure H will recover if I switch to another one for a couple months. Also if the day comes nothing goes anymore there's the possibility to shoot it intramuscularly.

These days I have huge problems with my legs, the diagnosis is "venous insufficiency with lymphedemas" and I have water in my legs. I have to wear special compression stockings daily and go to lymph drainage therapy. The last specialist I consulted told me to take my treatment more seriously (some days I don't wear the stockings) because I might face amputation of my right leg in the future. This coming autumn I'm scheduled to undergo an in-patient therapy for 15 days because my doctor is concerned with my lymphedemas, I have several open sores on both lower legs and I cannot manage to get them to heal up and close. He thinks this special treatment could do that but it's uncertain. In any case it is a chronic progressive illness, uncurable and you have to deal with it for life. The stockings resp. compression only helps to slow down or stop the damage to your lymphatic system at best. I'd strongly advise against ever shooting in your legs! Btw I also have problems with my hands, sometimes I experience numbness or when I lay on the side on my bed and read my arm starts to go numb, also my hands are very sensitive to cold. But compared to my leg problems its minimal.

And like others already told you, switching to IV will (most likely) not help you to lower your dose or save dope in the long run. It makes no sense after all you told us here. But again I wonder how truthful you are about your addiction. Usually I'd have asked about switching to Methadone or something similar but with the dose you claim to do plus the other circumstances of your life you mentioned, switching to Methadone seems like a bad move. As far as chronic back pain goes Methadone would be way more effective than H but Methadone is terrible in the long run and way worse than H. Hard to come down imo. What about detox/rehab anyway? And just for the record, this reply is posted to you obviously but I wrote it also for other readers and mainly because today is one of these days and moments where I felt like writing about my own situation a bit.
 
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Listen to everyone iv only made my chronic pain support non existent and near impossible to achieve at my income level. You can't cheat a low supply by iv. The immediate effect and loss of effect makes it such a nightmare. Other roa need to metabolize and that acts as a time release. Iv it hits just as quick as it doesn't leaving you craving just as fast as you fix it. You essentially will end up scheduling your day around getting your shots and trust me that's no way to live. You might as well be scheduling your life around picking up methadone.
 
Nobody is going to come at you for getting high here shroomy. If they do, they're obviously a giant hypocrite and can get bent anyway

you are right, I don't know you or your history

but I do know what it feels like to be addicted to heroin, and that alone is enough to make me understand a little bit of what you are going through.

You don't have to listen to any warnings if you don't want to, I certainly didn't.

people just want to see you be as safe as possible on here. Unfortunately, any drug use will have repercussions. The ultimate goal is to find a happy medium of drug use to negative consequences IMO. Rome wasn't built in a day and shit, nobody is expecting you to just work all of these life choices out overnight.

if sniffing heroin gets you through the day right now, so be it. Just know that no method of heroin use is truly sustainable long-term. Might not be the worst idea in the world to try and start thinking of an exit strategy, at least to regroup and gather yourself. You don't realize how bad things get until you get out of active addiction.

Hope things start falling into place for you
 
Why are you trying to bullshit us about your heroin use Satori? I read none of your other posts on this forum just your last 4-5 ones in this thread but frankly your story doesn't add up at all, why are you lying or grossly exaggerating? I get it you got some attention but you're messing with the people who expressed their concerns.

In case you ever need some help in guiding you through the process of shooting up let me know, we can skype and go from there.
 
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