Heroin Heroin detox planned, some strategy questions.

[Redrawl]

I'm going to quit Heroin, i have enough H for just today, its sat 19:00 now, tomorrow i don't have H anymore.

So I guess the w/d's start somewhere tomorrow and will become worse, also when i have to go to work (from 8:00-19:00).

Thursday i have a day off, and friday i have a long day at school.

Weekend is free + monday and thuesday free too, then it rewinds again and again.

What do you think the best strategy for me with taking other substances to reduce the symptoms, i can't be clearly wd'ing when i work in an hospital, people would notice.

This is what i have in house:

- Weed (i can only use it after school/work, not before, people notice that very quickly).
- Alcohol (same as weed)
- Propranolol (big box, 90 tabs @ 10 mg).
- Loperamide (3 boxes with 30 tablets @ 6 mg)
- Lorazepam (2 boxes 30 tabs @ 1 mg).
- Oxazepam (some strips 10 mg)
- Midazolam (25 tabs @ 2,5 mg)
- Domperidon (1 box 30 tabs)
- Weed (more then i can smoke in a month)
- 1 kg bio poppy seeds (for making tea out of it, payed 19 dollars/15euro incl. shipping)
- ibuprofen for restless legs (hopefully it helps with the benzodiazepines combined)

- Amitriptyline 25 mg retard tablets, 30 tablet bottle (i want to start with them when i haven't used opiates for around 12 hours, because i m not sure how much it would sedate me, for safety). When i want to i can get it at a stronger dose with a phonecall to my shrink, upto 200 mg's a day. update: allready on it since 30-3 19:00

Anyone who can tell me how they dit it combined with stuff that im planning on taking while detoxing from H?

Did i miss anything to buy? I have some food, liquid food, ice cream and stuff too.

 

[cj]

What do you do at the hospital? Loperamide is the only thing on the list that wont intoxicate you. The poppy seeds are hit and miss so i wouldnt take those at work. The benzos will help a great deal but will fuck you up. I hope your not a surgeon or someone involved in patient care. If you are please call in sick.

 

[Redrawl]

I'm still in training, so i'm not in a position that i can harm people, don't have a lot of responsibility yet.

I can't call in sick because i did that las week, because i did a little too much opiates and alcohol etc. and where very sick from it.

I don't want to take poppy seed tea before work because ive never tried it before, after i made a batch and know more about the dosage i could take it to school/work.

I use benzo's sparely and i'm pretty not sedated in different ways (i have add/adhd), so low dosage benzo's don't really fuck me up, when i take more or often im getting slightly more out of focus.

 

[Redrawl]

I also started my Sarotex (amitriptyline hcl) 25 mg retard just a couple of minutes ago.
My .5 gram is halved allready and i'm pretty not sedated so i think it'll be ok that two combined.

I was forgotten about the propranolol 10 mg tabs, i added in the list above.

 

[nitrat]

As I wrote in another thread the less potent opiat tramadol might be able to help you with some of the withdrawals symptoms. The worst withdrawals in the first days it probably can't do anything about. But after awhile it might help you.

I know i can seem dangerous and stupid to suggest changeing H with tramadol. But in my experience it can take care of some of the worst crawings and thus decrease the risk of failing and beginning on H again. But remeber - tramadol is also addictive, so you can't take them for very long. But as I said, as I experienced it, it helped me alot when coming of stronger opiats. The withdrawal symptomps from tramadol is not as bad as compared to the stronger opiats. But be aware of the risks of seizures in regard to tramadol. Don't take too much and be careful what you mix it with and make sure that you are strong enouh to drop the tramadol too after not too long.

 

[Redrawl]

I only want to take them in the next 2 weeks to avoid having withdrawls at school or work. After this is hope I don't get as sick anymore that people will clearly notice it, in stead of having a regular cold.

Could be i'm prolonging it even more, i might take it a week more etc.

The goel is 0 opiates, just the sarotex and weed... for now, want to loose the Sarotex one time too of course.

Has anybody experience with ibuprofen for restless legs? Seems to work on that, expecially in combination with benzodiazepines?

 

[KillSurfCity]

the benzos alone will help with the restless legs. be careful, though. that is a LOT of benzos you have there. try to find some promethazine if you can.

i am prescribed .5mg klonopin twice daily and two promethazine 25mg twice daily (i usually take these about 10 minutes before getting high on opiates. wonderful for opiate-related nausea or any nausea in general, really. promethazine is a godsend and also a great potentiator. i used these medications as directed throughout my oxycodone/heroin detox. i only had four suboxone/naloxone strips to work with, here.
the method that worked for me was as follows:
day one: i made sure i was in pretty heavy WD before taking my first strip. took the whole strip that evening and felt fine about 30 minutes later (actually caught a little buzz!)
day two: took a whole strip again at the same time as the previous evening.
day four: took nothing at all besides my prescribed benzo and prometh. (felt a little withdrawal and had a bit of trouble falling asleep. nothing too bad. felt like a very mild case of the flu starting around 16:00 (bit of aches in the joints, felt feverish, runny nose, you know...not too severe. comparable maybe to post 16 hours since last dose WD)
day five: took half of a strip when i woke up in the morning.
day six: took a quarter strip in the morning.
day seven: took the last quarter strip in the morning.

two days later i got a little sick. handled that with loperamide and healthy food and i felt back to normal after 3 more days (besides the obvious depression/CRUSHING BOREDOM which lasted until i got back off the wagon three days later).

not saying this method would work for you but any input is better than none. you can do this.

 

[Redrawl]

My shrink doesn't want to prescribe me that, because i have come off them before without using that, and the first time i was way more long it than now (after i relapsed).

So if i want to replace it with Tramadol it's better to wait to take Tramadol before i go to work? Or take it also on days i don't have to work and just take it every day for a couple of days (but bring the dose down).

 

[nitrat]

Hmm I think the most important part is sleep. So find the dosage needed for sleep without experiencing restless leg syndrome. But of cause you have to be careful, tramadol it self can cause rls, so do not take more than necessary. And then maybe take one if you start to feel bad sometime during the day. But avoid it if you can. This is why i suggested slow release tramadol. They will last longer bedore tou have to take another.

I have read that Dopamine agonists can help with restless leg syndrome too. I don't knoe anything sbout what this is. But maybe that can helpmyou when you get as far as dropping the tramadol and still experience big problems. I read about it here http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/restless-leg-syndrome-treatment.

I have taken high amounts of tramadol for several years. I stopped taking them from one day to another. I didnt sleep,for three days straight so at that point I was starting to hallucinate et cetera, but luckily I fel asleep not long after this. Each night i began to sleep more and more. First 30 min, then an hour and so forth. But if you slowly lower your dose you might be able to get easier through it.

But I think you should talk to someone who know what they are talking about. I don't have any medical education, only my own experiences.

Edit: Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I am writing from my iPad and too tired to fix them

 

[laCster]

fuck your shrink get a new shrink. the only hope i have is to be on suboxone or methadone. and i can afford suboxone + get other scripts, so i use suboxone. dude you are going to get PAWS like a mother fuck, you better have alot of weed, but you dont want get dependent on benzos, well if it stops you from using dope, using benzos is better than using H daily. but LOW doses only. do go past 1-2mg xanax or klonopin, 2-4mg ativan, 10-20mg valium, ect...

 

[Redrawl]

@ nitrat: i have some high dosed L-dopa (supplement), but since i'm taking Amitriptyline 25 mg (slow release) daily since yesterday, that isn't an option anymore.

I have a medical background, but the information we get, sometimes differ from what people take who are experienced with withdrawling themselfs.

@ laCster: it's not easy here to change your shrink, a doctor must send you there, and my doctor is going to ask why he should get me to a new one, and when I do I will get on a waiting list for months.

So i'm hoping i can manage it with benzos, poppy seeds and weed, maybe loperamide etc.

Here is my introduction topic with some extra information about my usage now: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/670698-Opiates

Do you guys know if i can open a thread (or use this thread) as a sort of diary for my H detox? So i can update daily, to keep me occupied? Thanks

 

[nitrat]

It could be interesting (Sorry for the choice of word, it isn't interesting for you ofc) to follow PLUS you can get support and help from people here. I wish you the best of luck with your project. I am gonna have to go through my own withdrawal very soon too (again).

Have you considered antihistamines such as phenergan? You could use these as a substitute for benzos on days where you don't feel that bad. I have found that (with no tolerence - I don't know if there is a cross tolerence between benzo and phenergan, do you know that?) 25-50 mgs of phenergan helps me fall a sleep. But beaware that I haven't looked into whether these interact in some bad way with some of the other things you mention - but I suppose you will know that with your medical background.

But I must admit I have never found anything strong enough to take care of restless leg syndrome. Do benzodiazepines really take care of this for you? I have tried with diazepam, clonazepan and alprazolam together with different strands of weed and skunk. I wish I could try with flunitrazepam, but that is hard to come by where I am from. The best I can do is work my ass of the entire day and take warm baths during the night. But last time I stopped I didn't sleep for three days straight and came to a point where I was starting to hallucinate before I finally fell asleep. After that I started sleeping ~30 minutes each night, then an hour and so forth. A finale note is that I found it easier to sleep during the day than the night for some reason. But as far as I am informed it has to be dark while you sleep before you produce melatonine which is quite important? But again, you would know more about this than me with your medical background.

After the worst physical withdrawals are over I have experimented with ketamine to help with the psychological problems. I suffer from depression and anxiety. Several studies have shown that ketamine might help with depression. I have tried alot of anti-depressants, but none of those have worked so far. I have recently started on Sertralin (Zoloft) and I might actually think that these are starting to make a difference. But that might just be placebo as I am starting to get desperat.

I don't like smoking weed or skunk without benzo as this will increase my anxiety as I can't control my thought.

I have considered things as kratom and buprenorphine (instead of methadone) too. But in my experience many H addicts just change to become perpetual users of buprenorphine or methadone instead of H. Is kratom stronger or milder than tramadol?

Edit - a little side note: Have you tried Circadin? I don't know if this is called that where you are from. But it contains melatonin. Maybe this could make the fact that I sleep during the day less important as I get the melatonin from this? Could this help you sleep to. Nice to avoid being to dependent on bezodiazepines. Would be a shame to go from being addicted to heroin to benzodiazepines

 

[Redrawl]

I have hey fever when the weather is (starting to get) nice. So i take antihistamines, have different kinds of sedating and non-sedating histamines, pills, eye drops and nasal spray. I take them almost daily this time a year.

When you get anxiety from weed, then you are smoking a strain what doesn't suit you. Try to find a strain that is high in CBD, not in THC.

 

[nitrat]

Thank you for your advice on weed, I much appreciate that.

Are you starting to experience withdrawal symptoms?

 

[Redrawl]

@ nitrat: No i'm taking more benzos and alcohol and weed than usually so i don't have to use a lot of H t feel nice.
I think i have 0,25 gr of hiqh quality H left. It's now sunday almost midnight.
Don't want to touch that 0,25 gr baggie until monday in the evening before bed and smoke a little before work tuesday and wednesday morning. During the day on tues- and wednesday I take tramadol.

Thursday is my day off, i don't want to use any opiates.

Friday the last H in the morning before school, combined with tramadol during the day.

Saturday No more opiates (Holiday, no school/work)

Sunda No more opiates (Holiday, no school/work)

Monday No more opiates (Holiday, no school/work)

Tuesday No more opiates (Holiday, no school/work)

Wednesday work

Hopefully this way will make me less sick at school/work, and i will receive the most of the w/d's on my days off.


When I need to i can use some poppy seed tea too, or loperamide, or other meds... but only when needed so i just af to wait and see to know.

 

[nitrat]

I don't know your addict history and the dosages You have used. But it seems like a good plan. It is interesting to see how saturday without any opiates turn out to be. I hope you can make your way through it. I can't remember if I have already mentioned it. But exercise like crazy in the next weeks. Walk, run, powerlifting what ever suits you. Just be sure to use your body and push it to your limits. Hopefully this will release some endorphines and make you feel better. Plus it should be easier to fall asleep if you are physically exhausted. You need to find some hobby or interest or something to fill that empty space that no-opiates leaves. Otherwise you will be driven mad by restlessness. And make sure to make some appointments with friends. I found that being together with other people made me think less about my crawings and withdrawal symptoms. If they notice that something is wrong with you, and you don't want them to know the truth you can just say it is the flu?

A last thing - I have read about others going through withdrawal. One of those claimed that Pregabalin took a lot of his withdrawals symptoms. So that might be worth a try if You can get your doctor to prescribe it. I have gotten in sometime in connection with anxiety where nothing else worked. But again, you probably know more about this than I do again.

As said before, all my recommendations are based on my own and other people's experiences. I have no medical background.

 

[Redrawl]

The balloon that was left untouched is disappeared, can't find it on the spot where i always put it. Also not elsewhere in the house.

That sucks, really want to buy some tomorrow, so i can detox as above, its now an half hour before midnight and took a tramadol with lorazepam, going to sleep now, 0,25 g of H used today.

 

[Redrawl]

It's now monday 11:20, haven't took heroin or opiates since yesterday 0:00 (heroin and 1 tramadol 50 before sleep.
I'm really thinking about buying for 20 euros, so i can work my way down with heroin and opiates as I described before.

I wait for a an hour or so, and then descide what i'm going to do. I think i get the 20 baggie, because i don't want to be withdrawling too much when i'm at school or work.

 

[JD55]

It's now monday 11:20, haven't took heroin or opiates since yesterday 0:00 (heroin and 1 tramadol 50 before sleep.
I'm really thinking about buying for 20 euros, so i can work my way down with heroin and opiates as I described before.

I wait for a an hour or so, and then descide what i'm going to do. I think i get the 20 baggie, because i don't want to be withdrawling too much when i'm at school or work.

:/ bro your just using addict logic( believe me I know) If your going to quit then quit. If your going to chip then chip. But your going to W/D and this let me just get another 20 is just prolonging it. I quit a 1.5 g a day IV habit cold turkey without the luxury of having days off. M-F 630-330 with school after. Shit sucked but feeling that made me never wanna get that dependent on anything ever again. I wish you the best of luck, you can do it.

 

[nitrat]

I wouldn't go buy more H either. Is it possible for you to buy more tramadol for the money instead? If you raise the dose of tramadol a little, maybe that will be enough to take the worst feelings.

You are trying to justify that it is okay to go and buy just a little more. I know the feeling all too well. One or two days more and will be that far in the process that you wouldn't even take it if you got it offered for free. It just these first days that the crawings are so crazy wild.

Take some more tramadol. Or take some benzo. Or smoke some weed. I almost don't care if you take some coke if you just need that "rush" taking drugs give you. But be aware that cocaine might make symptoms such as restless leg syndrome and restlessness worse. But ofc you got benzos for this. But in my opinion we are starting to get to a point where we cross the line of what is okay to do to help getting of opiates and what is not. I have mentioned quite a lot of drugs now. But in my head it's better than buying more H. Just be aware of the seizure risk of coke and tramadol, if your heart already is stressed because of the lack of opiates.

Go exercise or go hang out with your friends. Just do something that gets your mind of your desire for more H. As JD55 said at this point in the process you will just prolong the worst symptoms. If you don't trust yourself then get help from a person you trust and listen too.

When I was in your situation and was about to go score some more, I called my x, and she came immediately and made sure I didn't go out and do anything stupid.