blahblahblah
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Heroin and the psyche: a thesis on junk
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rachamim18
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Batailles...
What I meant by "born under the right stars" was that although a person may be born into a wealthy lifestlye they can know the desire of addiction just as well as an orphaned crack baby. the difference would manifest itself in other ways, etc...
When I first started comprehending all those anti drug propaganda pieces of the early to mid 70s they had the opposite effect on me.I remember a film with David Cassidy from The Partridge Family in which he played an undercover detective infiltrating the nefarious nest of vipers at his local high school...He was unwittingly dosed with LSD. They, like many, presented the acid trip as a wild dream sequence with actual hallucinations...That was enough for me...sign me up with a quickness! When the time came I was ready and willing, if not quite able [which very quickly took care of it self].
What I meant by "born under the right stars" was that although a person may be born into a wealthy lifestlye they can know the desire of addiction just as well as an orphaned crack baby. the difference would manifest itself in other ways, etc...
When I first started comprehending all those anti drug propaganda pieces of the early to mid 70s they had the opposite effect on me.I remember a film with David Cassidy from The Partridge Family in which he played an undercover detective infiltrating the nefarious nest of vipers at his local high school...He was unwittingly dosed with LSD. They, like many, presented the acid trip as a wild dream sequence with actual hallucinations...That was enough for me...sign me up with a quickness! When the time came I was ready and willing, if not quite able [which very quickly took care of it self].
batailleseyes
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Gotcha, completely agree with your clarification... shit the Jets just missed a gimmee field goal... sorrry, I am going to leave that in because if I keep the rage inside I'll grow a tumor... As far as the late 70's early 80's anti-drug rhetoric goes (we must be close in age?) after seeing Helen Hunt jump out of a window on PCP, some ridiculous drug-highschool flick, I was absolutely intrigued and couldn't wait to "fly." In retrospect, I was so oblivious it scares me.
batailleseyes
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Quick note: I realize this thread belongs in DC, but since it has not yet been moved or warned I would like to thank the mods for leaving this thread open and allowing it a huge degree of latitude.
junksick
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Burroughs regularly got checks from the Burroughs adding machine company till the end of his life; when I found that out he lost respect for me as a junky--but he's still a literary beat genius.
fastandbulbous
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I'm not defending Burroughs per se, but the concept of glamourizing a lifestyle isn't just the fault of the person writing down their experiences. It also requires a (what they refer to in cinematc circles) "willing suspension of disbelief" on the behalf of the reader, namely that a life like that can be glamourous. After all, how many people with severe drug habits go on to reach a "celebrity status"? Also, reading around the subject a bit will bring to light lots of things that couldn't be seen as "the life", no matter how much spin you put on them (Brian Jones being a very good example - he became a sad miserable fuck-up par excellance. Can't see anybody wanting to walk his path).
When it comes down to it, people who see Burroughs as glamourizing opiate addiction are reading into his words what they want to hear. The desire is there in the first place, they're just looking for someone to give their desires some validation.
As somebody earlier said, we're the only ones truely responsible for getting addicted to drugs; it's just that some people find it difficult to hold their hand up and say "Christ have I ever fucked up, but it's all my fault so don't feel obliged to have any sympathy for my predicament"
(one of those, if there's blame, there's a claim adverts has just been on the tv from the ambulance chasers. That's the sort of society we're becoming)
Rant over (for now!)
When it comes down to it, people who see Burroughs as glamourizing opiate addiction are reading into his words what they want to hear. The desire is there in the first place, they're just looking for someone to give their desires some validation.
As somebody earlier said, we're the only ones truely responsible for getting addicted to drugs; it's just that some people find it difficult to hold their hand up and say "Christ have I ever fucked up, but it's all my fault so don't feel obliged to have any sympathy for my predicament"
(one of those, if there's blame, there's a claim adverts has just been on the tv from the ambulance chasers. That's the sort of society we're becoming)
Rant over (for now!)
Dreaming With Dope
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well heres something to think about, because it kind of applies to Burrough's case:
If you could be a junkie, would you?
i mean, if you really could afford it without having any bullshit hassles with money and having to score, would you go for it?
a life of junk, with no problems....
i can completely see his (burroughs) logic here
If you could be a junkie, would you?
i mean, if you really could afford it without having any bullshit hassles with money and having to score, would you go for it?
a life of junk, with no problems....
i can completely see his (burroughs) logic here
blahblahblah
Bluelighter
Ahhh...
Finally a decent topic that might actually lead to some intelligent discussion concerning one of my favorite topics drug saturated literature. I guess you could toss in drug-a-log's into the mix as well, because I consider Burroughs best work IMO, 'Junky' a mixture of a few different writing formats: drug-a-log, historical opiate accounts, and abstract highly regarded literature. Hopefully this doesn't get transferred to drug culture to get polluted with asinine comments from the DC crowd (no offense I am one of um to).
Now if someone would kindly pack the freebase pipe with some of the alprazolam powder so I can get my benzo stoning on... hehehahahahohoho
Anyways I will comment later as I am cross-eyed and nodding from the dope I was shooting tonight and I am running out the door [again] to knock back a couple Ciders topped of with whiskey.
Best of the evening to you...
Finally a decent topic that might actually lead to some intelligent discussion concerning one of my favorite topics drug saturated literature. I guess you could toss in drug-a-log's into the mix as well, because I consider Burroughs best work IMO, 'Junky' a mixture of a few different writing formats: drug-a-log, historical opiate accounts, and abstract highly regarded literature. Hopefully this doesn't get transferred to drug culture to get polluted with asinine comments from the DC crowd (no offense I am one of um to).
Now if someone would kindly pack the freebase pipe with some of the alprazolam powder so I can get my benzo stoning on... hehehahahahohoho
Anyways I will comment later as I am cross-eyed and nodding from the dope I was shooting tonight and I am running out the door [again] to knock back a couple Ciders topped of with whiskey.
Best of the evening to you...
ItchySkratchy
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blahblahblah said:
hahahahahaha......LOL.....right behind ya brotha'........
johnnyb420
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Dreaming With Dope said:
i wish you luck in your attempt to get away from hard drugs i know how hard it can be you are still very young stop now before it's to late try Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhist teachings start by chanting nam myoho renge kyo while meditating and thinking of ways to improve your life force chant this as many times as you can a certain kind of peace will come over you look up soka gakkai international on the net you can learn a lot about how to help yourself whatever you do don't trade one drug for another
good luck brother
johnnyb
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rachamim18
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More on Burroughs...
Fast: But it does depend on HOW they express their experiences. While he does document its seemy side, d.t.s and all, he also imparts a certain cache to the rigermorole. I most certainly disagree with you on your contention that "people read what they want to read into it." If you express the discomfort of hemmorhoids eloquently it will seem attractive to a certain percentage of impressionable people. I have said in at least three threads that I remember that addiction DOES come down to personal responsibility...however, the initial seduction is not always so clear. I do not make a habit [no pun intended] of placing blame on inanimate substances but I do see that many people are susceptible to media hype.
As far as Brian Jones...just another fallen genius. I suppose my nomination would be Barret from Floyd. There have been many substance addled celeberties...Poe, Quincy, Freud, and so on. While many great minds have been stymied by their habits others have undoubtedly prospered in spite of it.
Dreaming: I think you took my position incorrectly. I do not fault the man for being born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I DO feel that he had a bit of nerve complaining about his lot in life though. I would love to be independently wealthy and indulge ALL my hedonistic desires. I think that most of the problems associated with addiction come from that evil green paper: money.
JunkSick: My point exactly.
Bataille: I saw that Helen Hunt flick. Pretty funny...
Fast: But it does depend on HOW they express their experiences. While he does document its seemy side, d.t.s and all, he also imparts a certain cache to the rigermorole. I most certainly disagree with you on your contention that "people read what they want to read into it." If you express the discomfort of hemmorhoids eloquently it will seem attractive to a certain percentage of impressionable people. I have said in at least three threads that I remember that addiction DOES come down to personal responsibility...however, the initial seduction is not always so clear. I do not make a habit [no pun intended] of placing blame on inanimate substances but I do see that many people are susceptible to media hype.
As far as Brian Jones...just another fallen genius. I suppose my nomination would be Barret from Floyd. There have been many substance addled celeberties...Poe, Quincy, Freud, and so on. While many great minds have been stymied by their habits others have undoubtedly prospered in spite of it.
Dreaming: I think you took my position incorrectly. I do not fault the man for being born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I DO feel that he had a bit of nerve complaining about his lot in life though. I would love to be independently wealthy and indulge ALL my hedonistic desires. I think that most of the problems associated with addiction come from that evil green paper: money.
JunkSick: My point exactly.
Bataille: I saw that Helen Hunt flick. Pretty funny...