Heroin Heroin and Health Supplementation

[blight12]

If you're not sleeping on it and you're high, whats the problem? Going to sleep is a waste! Take it earlier maybe.....

Well thats my thoughts as well, thats why i dont even bother (just thought i case i had to for some reason.

Thanks swimmingdancer, great info as usual. I understood Opiates did something that caused sleep to be affected in some way thereby preventing it? If not then i will just do the usual things. I really dont like sleep though, waste of time, but im already missing 3 nights a week from meth use. Its certainly not a good thing though.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Well thats my thoughts as well, thats why i dont even bother (just thought i case i had to for some reason.

Thanks swimmingdancer, great info as usual. I understood Opiates did something that caused sleep to be affected in some way thereby preventing it? If not then i will just do the usual things. I really dont like sleep though, waste of time, but im already missing 3 nights a week from meth use. Its certainly not a good thing though.

It depends on the person and the opioid. Personally I usually had no problem sleeping on heroin, in fact it made me much more able to sleep.
Sleep is very important! Make sure you do get enough sleep. It's not a waste of time, it's absolutely necessary for proper physical and mental health.

 

[BlueHues]

The best idea would be to not use heroin close to bedtime. But if you're not willing to do that, then the second best idea would be to do things to make it easier to sleep, like not using the computer before bed, practicing good "sleep hygiene", meditation, sleep music/binaural beats, etc. One thing I enjoyed was practicing lucid dreaming, which can be easier on heroin and can make going to sleep more desirable too. Third best thing (or something you can do with the above) would be to take supplements to help with sleep, such as melatonin and magnesium. There are a ton of supplements and herbs that can help with sleep, just check to see whether they have any interactions with heroin (a few supplements/herbs can make heroin stronger or weaker). It's not a good idea to rely on drugs for sleep, for numerous reasons, and most of them cause tolerance, dependence, and/or are not safe to take with heroin.

It's funny, you're giving this guy advice like this is a "normal" person having difficulty falling asleep at night!
Yeah, put on a cd of "ocean noises" and spay some lavender essence!
what's next, we're gonna give someone who IVd .5 of meth at 8 AM on a Sunday advice on how not to act too tweaked out in church?!
"Yes, just take deep breaths and resist the urge to keep looking over your shoulder!"

To OP: You seem super concerned about trying NOT to be a drug addict, reading your other threads....trying to come up with schedules and shit....I mean, dude, come on...your playing around with heroin and meth and benzos.....

It seems like, you may "like drugs" quite a bit....Trying to not let it screw up your life is a good plan, but if you're gonna get high, just get high! fuck it!

 

[blight12]

Lol well since there are no other solutions i guess only the usual stuff is left.

I guess so nobody thinks im stupidly ignoring valud adice to avoid H...

I have other reasons for taking the risk. Im working on a written work (maybe the b word some day).
One of the concepts involves the benefits and power of full understanding of something and the rejection of emotional valuations such as accepting demonized opinions or feelings or something having some sort of power over you beyond reality and logic.
I believe in education, logical thinking and understanding devoid of emotional bias. You would be surprised by how our emotional processing of our world fucks you in the ass and reducees the quality of your life every single day. But thats another topic...

For example attacking the evil H with education and risk analysis (like i successfully did with meth so far) instead of accepting opinions on the topic.
Yes, I know its reputation and the opinions are based on fact and I dont mean anything against them. Im just ignoring them now for the purpose of this exercise.
Its just a way for me to test my ideas, trial by fire, practice what you preach etc. Consequences will simply be learnings. Only makes you stronger and all that eh.

I am am very anti the "status quo", societies "rules" and ignorance propagating false propaganda based misinformation, like on the topic of drugs for example. Lives end or are changed forever due to misconceptions and ignorance about drug use that could be avoided by accurate education. Sickens me. You dont like something, nobody is going to change it for you ;-).

Honestly this stuff has interesting me since i left school realized a career is another lie we are told where we sell our time, most of our lives, for no reason. So I started a business instead that works without needing my time (you only have so much after all). And it was easier to do then an average office career would be and im no smarter and far lazier then most others. Its just that we dont know we can, we just do what we are told. Fuck that Shit.

Anyways, im high and ranting now... dont mind me.

 

[BlueHues]

No, that's cool...I think it's great you've figured out how to live a decent life without having to give your life over to somebody else....
I love to write, haven't made any money as of yet, but I'm not trying to write for money! If I can make money writing what I wanna write, what means something to me, that would be great! I'm not gonna write meaningless garbage for a quick buck! I'm not talking about novels, I'm just talking about the run of the mill journalists out there, who just churn out meaningless BS for the masses to consume...Is that really making it as a "writer"?

Anyway, the whole drug thing....
I'm just saying, you gotta br careful with it, because it will take control without you even realizing it! Maybe you will end up stronger for the experience, but you have no idea what kind of ride drugs like meth and H will take you for or how much time they may eat up!

It's playing with fire! I've been able to ride the wave and stay out of serious trouble, but I still don't have control over it....I love certain drugs and I'd never say that I'd never use them again, but I wish I hadn't ever tried certain things!

 

[blight12]

I hear you man, thanks for taking the time to post.
I definitely respect the substances and the risks, which is the more useful substitute for fearing them.

I will say my two rules that have never steered me wrong are:

1. No daily or weekday usage
2. No functional or non rec usage

If you can stick to that the rest is easy.

For example i think meth has its big addiction issues and high recurrence risk due to the fact that it can be useful for other things, like work.
You then get an addiction to something eventually that you need to function, to do your job, to survive. Any wonder its got high recurrence rates?.

My experience with meth using it rec only is that it really get old fast, and the negatives become very clear fast.
Meth just for fun is great but becomes disrupting with multi day binges, fucks with social events, getting shit done, weekend plans etc that it becomes something that's clearly not worth it IMO and would be far easier stopping before learning how useful it might be for other things.

Understanding these things by analyzing the data and making logical conclusions means possibly avoiding a small error that makes all the difference, you might not even have though of. Meth use has been easy for me, never straying from weekend use over 8 months, its even making its own case for ceasing usage shortly, I love the meth high more then any other drug but that euphoria does get less amazing fast and is not logical to seek out if its adding no value. Im not awesome, i just plan to win.

One thing though, my rules are easy to stick to since I value my work and week time greatly, and as i said i got a business i enjoy i dont have some shit job so i fully understand that others may place far less value on messing with their week time or jobs they may not like. So there are many factors at the end of the day. My life is easy and simple with a solid support base and no nearby influences or drug culture. Most others may not be so lucky.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

It's funny, you're giving this guy advice like this is a "normal" person having difficulty falling asleep at night!
Yeah, put on a cd of "ocean noises" and spay some lavender essence!
what's next, we're gonna give someone who IVd .5 of meth at 8 AM on a Sunday advice on how not to act too tweaked out in church?!
"Yes, just take deep breaths and resist the urge to keep looking over your shoulder!"

...if you're gonna get high, just get high! fuck it!

Lol, not quite, but it's called harm reduction. My first suggestion was to not use heroin close to bedtime if it makes him have trouble sleeping, but we all know that not everyone's going to listen to that and there are some gentle harmless things that can really help with sleep (at least with heroin, with things like meth binges they aren't likely to help THAT much) so I made some suggestions that don't involve prescription drugs. Sleep is super important. It's not like just because someone uses drugs normal advice doesn't apply to them or they should just not give a fuck about their health. I disagree that "if you're gonna get high just get high fuck it". I think people should try to minimize the adverse impact to their life as much as possible, but of course shouldn't kid themselves and think it's possible to eliminate the harm or prevent addiction etc.

I will say my two rules that have never steered me wrong are:

1. No daily or weekday usage
2. No functional or non rec usage

If you can stick to that the rest is easy.

Except it's extremely difficult to stick to that for very long. Nearly everyone starts off thinking they can avoid serious addiction by doing those things, but addiction causes your rules to go out the window.

 

[blight12]

Yeah I agree that people often use drug use as some indicator that they have already fucked up and its a license to not give a shit about the small things.
This is also one of my issues with bad drug education. Some dood who thinks H is evil fucks up at a party one day and thinks hes screwed now and decides to make the most of it or whatever, go out with a bang.

Education might result in the knowlege that 1 usage might not be a big issue since what my teaches at school told me about Heroin causing addiction with 1 dose as well as permanently changing my brain and body as well as causing a portal to hell to open up inside your spleen that demons can come through at any time and rape your mind while you sleep and make you ex murder your family in their sleep and lastly you will think your arm is meat and you will eat yourself (or was that LSD? Im not sure), probably isn't accurate.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Yeah the anti-drug education is a joke. I think I would have made much better decisions about drugs if I had been told the truth about them. But do not think that just because much of the anti-drug propaganda isn't true that it means there is a safe way to use heroin or that you won't get addicted. One use isn't going to automatically get you addicted, but it is very rare for someone to be able to use it repeatedly for very long without getting mentally addicted, that is part of what is so insidious about it, you think you're not going to get addicted. And once you become mentally addicted it doesn't take too long to get physically dependent. And addiction/dependence is freaking horrible. Don't kid yourself thinking you are different and can avoid it. Heroin's different from meth, the consequences do not rapidly become clear or prevent frequent use. And meth does not have the same potential for serious physical dependence. Heroin sneaks in there and you don't realize it's a problem until it's too late, or you don't care.

Also speaking of your rules you posted above, aren't you already breaking them? For example, didn't you say you already lose 3 nights of sleep a week to meth use?

 

[cook]

No offense, but you can't avoid opiate addiction by rationalizing, you may try but ultimately that leads to failure. In fact, to me your rationalization seems like you possibly are already addicted, just don't realize it yet. The smartest and most clever people have fallen for it and will continue to fall.

You value you work, life etc in this moment, but what about when something takes turn on the worse? It's not an advantage at that point to have such "hobbies" such as hard drug use, it's just too easy to fall for them. But I don't see you could run any more because you've made up your mind, hope you report after 1 year or so how things went.. i'm afraid of the worst.

 

[blight12]

Well the meth is used from Friday evening after work to Sunday night where i dose Seroquel at 12pm and sleep, so I guess its 2.5 nights but still weekend (Weekends start at close of business Friday as I know we all agree with)

Yeah good advice and I respect it and take it all to heart. I am sure I am not likely somehow going to magically dodge the risks but for the personal reasons mentioned previously i need to test my theories. I cant teach something that might be flawed, or im like those I fight against. Personal risk may be worth something greater. No risk no reward.

I will consider cutting off my tests with meth use but its like asking a mountaineer to stop before tackling the final and ultimate Everest. Im sure they also happily accept the risk of death to attain test whatever idea may be important to them.

But I claim logical and rational thinking so perhaps proceeding further may prove unnecessarily risky! I will make the calculations! Done H once now and could claim its been tested, if i was to lie to myself haha.
Didnt see anything special, stims are my thing really and I even chose to do my preferred meth this weekend instead of H which i did last weekend, but I did dose low. Ahh well i know all that means nothing and H is "insidious" like this. I will see, i dont like backing away from challenges, I am a realist after all. After all, If i crash and burn, the world will suffer greatly, haha.
What i keep thinking is how much i learned and gained from even the worst failures like 8 years of bad anxiety issues from mdma retardedness, i started my drive for education from this and the reduced emotional capacity helped identify the effectiveness of the resultant logic based thinking (if mdma did that what wonders could messing up on H deliver lol).
I would not even consider avoiding these "negative events" if i had a do-over. I guess i don't see consequences as something negative...

Anwyays thanks again guys.