Help with Oxycodone-potentiate

[emkee_reinvented]

Depended on a dr. is more like it sounds.
I the near future they will tell us we are addicted to dr s.
Never gonna step in the dr. thread, DIY or no medication.

So Insomnia treated myself till the ban. Will remain untreated till i find a natural alternative. Like Magnolia Bark/ Lemon Balm/ Erythrina Mulungu.
And hope they do a good job, i am ordering Magnolia today, high expectancy.
But low idea on the actual effectiveness compared with a Benzodiazepine.
[my dr. refuses to prescribe Benzo s. Either he doesn t believe me.
Or got the got the idea i am drug-seeking. [a waste-men he is and the least attractive.
He really is convinced of what he does is medically adequate approved ].

The fact that i got seizure s after 2 year s insomnia, he will gladly explain as:
DRUG-SEEKING. [i never got addicted to a Benzo/ lucky i treated em wisely].
So i got 5 more as result, you cannot control seizure when you get em while taking Valproic Acid ! I been accused of being addicted to Clobazam. the most non re-creative of Benzo s. Which in general are not re-creative. But Clobazam is even milder as Pyrazolam. In other words it s functional at most.

But seizure s controlling without em is futile.
But there is little room for me to influence this atm.

For pain till now there is Kratom, if they seal that too. Pain-management is also up to you. The brave new world imo. As Dental procedures at times needed a pain-managment at times. And the medical sector has a different picture. Pain is part of the treatment. And should be endured. While all research show s pain after the initial.
is detrimental for the healing process ! \

I went through quite some fracture s, and only once in my live i was prescribed a Opiod. After that time i wondered why have i never been prescribed one earlier.
I am used to suffer, till internet came and after that Kratom.

Why i had to suffer so many times for what ?
This world is about control, and pain-management seems as a tool to do this.
Wicked Evil, a monster imo we created, or was created for us.
How can we change this, i know lot of eldery heavy over medicated.
Benzo s, Z-drugs, Opiod s and AD-s. And the majority of middle-aged suffer.
Everyday to get up and do their thing, like helping these over-medicated eldery.
[my college s stole their med s in dis-pear, there is a reason for that i think]

Time for a revolution it is !

 

[mitemouse]

"Dependent" is the correct medical definition, not addicted. A positive active "doctor & patient relationship" that yielded and continues to produce "a better quality of life" for the patient is not defined as "addicted."

All of my medications continue to help me. When they do not they are removed or rotated. Having Chronic Pain Syndrome going on 40 years and CRPS is something I would not wish on anyone. I have a tall slice of health disorders that no one wants. Both pain syndromes are "prognosis poor" determined in 2017.

This is a small list of things that defines "a worry or red-flag" requiring interventional actions for a change in a patient's medical treatment :
-- Diverting personal prescriptions for the streets, a patient not following the doctor's orders via dosage quantity & times between dosages, a patient violating a pain management contract, a patient requesting medication refills early, a patient is constantly requesting more narcotics, and/or a patient attempting to mislead, lie, manipulate a doctor & nursing staff.
-- Depending where the patient's experience level is with opioids via 1st rodeo, 2nd rodeo, and well past the "honeymoon stage" determines outcomes in uncomfortable ways normally.

Maybe your post was intended to get a reaction from me, your mood was comedy, you know trolling. My intent was to provide the OP with as much "personal experience" in the thread matter. Being judgmental on my behalf towards the OP and you is not the intent either. The forum is a place of learning mostly. That is why I am here. If I say something about something, I 9.8 times out of 10 I can back it up or someone can normally vouch/proxy it.

Please enlighten me, how you developed the "seems like I am addicted" more than it's helping me now opinion.

To clear the air, I did not start this thread. Going off the details given by the OP, we are trying to answer and provide reasonable explanations regarding the reason(s) for OP's doctor decision for intervention in the medication program and intervention of the treatment protocol.

If I came off coy to anyone it was not my intent. I have to go back and look. Wording is everything when we are not present.

I am the OP and I think im reading this as you saying that Im NOT the troll, amd if ive read that correctly, I appreciate you kind words.
I dont know how to edit my original post, so I replied to my own post. Mqybe you can read them if if you have time..
Im so sorry youre in so much pain. I know how thqt feels, though I am assuming your pain is worse than mine and has lasted much longer than mine. I feel terrible for you, but I feel good knowing that im not alone in this bullshit of chronic pain way of life. Ita hard o describe to anyone how sbotty life can be when everything hurts every day, and although id gladly take your pain a couple days a week so youd have some pain-free days, we both know thats just not possible. Thankfully, my PCM manages my scripts, and I dont have to deal with a pain management doctor and the contracts I know you have to sign and abide by. I also dont have to submit UAs or be subjected to pill counts, or life would be thqt much more difficult.
I think you kinda get where im coming from. But I did try to edit my original post, I ront know how, so I just replied to myself. If you wanna read it and give more advice, that'd be great. If not, thats cool too.
Thank-you so much for kinda defending us. It means so much. I hope you hqve a great day!

 

[mitemouse]

Depended on a dr. is more like it sounds.
I the near future they will tell us we are addicted to dr s.
Never gonna step in the dr. thread, DIY or no medication.

So Insomnia treated myself till the ban. Will remain untreated till i find a natural alternative s. Like Magnolia Bark/ Lemon Balm/ Erythrina Mulungu.
And hope they do a good job, i am ordering Magnolia today, high expectancy.
But low idea on the actual effectiveness compared with a Benzodiazepine.
[my dr. refuses to prescribe Benzo s. Either he doesn t believe me.
Or got the got the idea i am drug-seeking. [a waste-men he is and the least attractive.
He really is convinced of what he does is medically adequate approved ].

The fact that i got seizure s after 2 year s insomnia, he will gladly explain as:
DRUG-SEEKING. [i never got addicted to a Benzo/ lucky i treated em wisely].
So i got 5 more as result, you cannot control seizure when you get em while taking Valproic Acid ! I been accused of being addicted to Clobazam. the most nonn recreative of Benzo s. Which in general are not recreative. But Clobazam is even milder as Pyrazolam. In other words it s functional at most.

But seizure s controlling without em is futile.
But there is little room for me to influence this atm.

For pain till now there is Kratom, if they seal that too. Painmanegement is also up to you. The brave new world imo. As Dental procedures at times needed a pain manage-ment at times. And the medical sector has a diferent picture. Pain is part of the treatment. And should be endured. While all research show s pain after the initial.
is detrimental for the healing process ! \

I went through quite some fracture s, and only once in my live i was prescribed a Opiod. After that time i wondered why have i never been prescribed one earlier.
I am used to suffer, till internet came and after that Kratom.

Why i had to suffer so many times for what ?
This world is about control, and pain manmagement seems as a tool to do this.
Wicked Evil, a monster imo we created, or was created for us.
How can we change this, i know lot of edlery havy over medicated.
Benzo s, Z-drugs, Opiod s and AD-s. And the mayority of middleaged suffer.
Everday to get up and do their thing, it s sickening.

Time for a revolution it is !

Im trying to follow what youre saying, but I think im in a bit too much pain right now to comprehend it all.
Im very grateful you replied, you took time out of your day to help ME, an internet strqnger, and it means so much to me.
I dont know how to edit my post so I replied to myself, 2 paragraphs. If you have the time and inclination amd desire, id really appreciate you pressing it.
I hope life gets better for you, truly. Have a great day.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Im trying to follow what youre saying, but I think im in a bit too much pain right now to comprehend it all.
Im very grateful you replied, you took time out of your day to help ME, an internet strqnger, and it means so much to me.
I dont know how to edit my post so I replied to myself, 2 paragraphs. If you have the time and inclination amd desire, id really appreciate you pressing it.
I hope life gets better for you, truly. Have a great day.

No problem feel the world is a bit going the wrong way.
Can t change it myself though but writing helps, wished dr s would do that to.
But dr s are like closed door s regarding this topic.

To get a grasp what a someone goes through when in pain and confronted with this.
Addiction is not good society. that leaves people in unnecessary suffering.
They don t treat eldery or animal s this way. But do treat the middle-aged population this way. they don t even know what pain is, or how the med s you d like to have effect you. they not allowed to take there own med s. So all they know is from a book.

You d have to seek a dr who is him/ herself also a chronic pain patient as well.
Maybe that kinda dr would be most emphatic about pain management ?

Bet the king and president can get Benzodiazepinen and/ or Opoid s.
If necessary. Straight away, so its not equal for all !

Hope you do find a solution. Why i try DIY, but i have no chronic pain.
Just a continuous insomnia which equal s suffering too.



edit: Kratom was a godsent, when i had a dental procedure.
I knew would leave me with incapecitating pain. Kratom will probably be banned.
Sometime so i am always on the look-out to secure pain killer s and sleeping agent s.
For when i might need them, and this seems to get harder.

If maybe the comes, if it still excist s, my last option. The Dark-Web.
But opening Pandora s box cause dr are a flaw,
is like stroking the Cat against the Fur.

Imo a dr should do this.

 

[Them Witches]

I am the OP and I think im reading this as you saying that Im NOT the troll, amd if ive read that correctly, I appreciate you kind words.
I dont know how to edit my original post, so I replied to my own post. Mqybe you can read them if if you have time..
Im so sorry youre in so much pain. I know how thqt feels, though I am assuming your pain is worse than mine and has lasted much longer than mine. I feel terrible for you, but I feel good knowing that im not alone in this bullshit of chronic pain way of life. Ita hard o describe to anyone how sbotty life can be when everything hurts every day, and although id gladly take your pain a couple days a week so youd have some pain-free days, we both know thats just not possible. Thankfully, my PCM manages my scripts, and I dont have to deal with a pain management doctor and the contracts I know you have to sign and abide by. I also dont have to submit UAs or be subjected to pill counts, or life would be thqt much more difficult.
I think you kinda get where im coming from. But I did try to edit my original post, I ront know how, so I just replied to myself. If you wanna read it and give more advice, that'd be great. If not, thats cool too.
Thank-you so much for kinda defending us. It means so much. I hope you hqve a great day!

Your are good. I was not post replying about you. No need to edit your post unless you really want to.

My reply post was directed towards the member that suggested I am only "addicted" to my meds and they are not helping me.

I am here to help others and so others can help me. I hope I did not offend you or insult you in any manner.

Doctors these days have a great deal of pressure put on them by the dEa to pull patients off pain meds. The same goes for the pharmacy with the dEa constantly calling them asking questions about patients and changing the amount of "narcotics & other scheduled drugs" a pharmacy is allowed to order each month based on the pharmacies capital. This limits many "walk-in" customers to be able to fill their Rx's there and many are turned away. "We cannot take your business because we are maxed out on ordering abilities."

 

[mitemouse]

Depended on a dr. is more like it sounds.
I the near future they will tell us we are addicted to dr s.
Never gonna step in the dr. thread, DIY or no medication.

So Insomnia treated myself till the ban. Will remain untreated till i find a natural alternative. Like Magnolia Bark/ Lemon Balm/ Erythrina Mulungu.
And hope they do a good job, i am ordering Magnolia today, high expectancy.
But low idea on the actual effectiveness compared with a Benzodiazepine.
[my dr. refuses to prescribe Benzo s. Either he doesn t believe me.
Or got the got the idea i am drug-seeking. [a waste-men he is and the least attractive.
He really is convinced of what he does is medically adequate approved ].

The fact that i got seizure s after 2 year s insomnia, he will gladly explain as:
DRUG-SEEKING. [i never got addicted to a Benzo/ lucky i treated em wisely].
So i got 5 more as result, you cannot control seizure when you get em while taking Valproic Acid ! I been accused of being addicted to Clobazam. the most non re-creative of Benzo s. Which in general are not re-creative. But Clobazam is even milder as Pyrazolam. In other words it s functional at most.

But seizure s controlling without em is futile.
But there is little room for me to influence this atm.

For pain till now there is Kratom, if they seal that too. Pain-management is also up to you. The brave new world imo. As Dental procedures at times needed a pain-managment at times. And the medical sector has a different picture. Pain is part of the treatment. And should be endured. While all research show s pain after the initial.
is detrimental for the healing process ! \

I went through quite some fracture s, and only once in my live i was prescribed a Opiod. After that time i wondered why have i never been prescribed one earlier.
I am used to suffer, till internet came and after that Kratom.

Why i had to suffer so many times for what ?
This world is about control, and pain-management seems as a tool to do this.
Wicked Evil, a monster imo we created, or was created for us.
How can we change this, i know lot of eldery heavy over medicated.
Benzo s, Z-drugs, Opiod s and AD-s. And the majority of middle-aged suffer.
Everyday to get up and do their thing, like helping these over-medicated eldery.
[my college s stole their med s in dis-pear, there is a reason for that i think]

Time for a revolution it is !

I think I may be in a bit too much pain at the current movement to fully comprehend what youre trying to explain to me, and Im also not super familiar with some of the terms your using. I HAVE been on medications way too much for my liking, but as of yet, I kinda dont fully know know what exactly youre trying to explain to me, and im deeply sorry for this.
But it sounds like youve been through the writing era. I feel terrible for your plight, and I only wish I knew more about what youre trying to communicate with me so I could respond better.
I wasn't sure how to edit my own post, so I posted a reply. Maybe if you can "dumb" it down for me, it'll help me understand what youre saying a bit more.
I truly appreciate you reaching out to me though. If you care to read my replies to my own post, lol, amd help guide me a bit, that would be fabulous!
I hope you feel better soon, it sounds like youre really going through some tough shit, and I hope only the best things for you.
Have a great day, take careA

 

[mitemouse]

Depended on a dr. is more like it sounds.
I the near future they will tell us we are addicted to dr s.
Never gonna step in the dr. thread, DIY or no medication.

So Insomnia treated myself till the ban. Will remain untreated till i find a natural alternative. Like Magnolia Bark/ Lemon Balm/ Erythrina Mulungu.
And hope they do a good job, i am ordering Magnolia today, high expectancy.
But low idea on the actual effectiveness compared with a Benzodiazepine.
[my dr. refuses to prescribe Benzo s. Either he doesn t believe me.
Or got the got the idea i am drug-seeking. [a waste-men he is and the least attractive.
He really is convinced of what he does is medically adequate approved ].

The fact that i got seizure s after 2 year s insomnia, he will gladly explain as:
DRUG-SEEKING. [i never got addicted to a Benzo/ lucky i treated em wisely].
So i got 5 more as result, you cannot control seizure when you get em while taking Valproic Acid ! I been accused of being addicted to Clobazam. the most non re-creative of Benzo s. Which in general are not re-creative. But Clobazam is even milder as Pyrazolam. In other words it s functional at most.

But seizure s controlling without em is futile.
But there is little room for me to influence this atm.

For pain till now there is Kratom, if they seal that too. Pain-management is also up to you. The brave new world imo. As Dental procedures at times needed a pain-managment at times. And the medical sector has a different picture. Pain is part of the treatment. And should be endured. While all research show s pain after the initial.
is detrimental for the healing process ! \

I went through quite some fracture s, and only once in my live i was prescribed a Opiod. After that time i wondered why have i never been prescribed one earlier.
I am used to suffer, till internet came and after that Kratom.

Why i had to suffer so many times for what ?
This world is about control, and pain-management seems as a tool to do this.
Wicked Evil, a monster imo we created, or was created for us.
How can we change this, i know lot of eldery heavy over medicated.
Benzo s, Z-drugs, Opiod s and AD-s. And the majority of middle-aged suffer.
Everyday to get up and do their thing, like helping these over-medicated eldery.
[my college s stole their med s in dis-pear, there is a reason for that i think]

Time for a revolution it is !

Thanka for your thoughtful reply! I appreciate it! I hope things get better for you lovey.

 

[chippermonk]

ANYWAY this is very very long and i apologize. She just changed me from the zanaflex cuz all it does it make me sleepy, I can function on soma. And yes, soma is available in the US, at least in my area of north-central PA. But I had 405 pills to be taken as 1.5 250mg tabs 4x a day.
Yes, I hide.my pills, but theyre always either found or the begging and crying and guilt trips get me every time. I bought some CBD/THC gunmies when I was in NY and they seemed to help some, like not actual pain relief but I kinda dont CARE so much about the pain and I feel a bit like my old self, happy and carefree-ish- there were 10, but THEYVE gone missing. I have the phenegran for gastroparesis, and I bought the tagament after reading BL on here. Also bought the Red Maeng Da Kratom to hopefully help because Im gonna be very short on ocy again this.month.
I managed too squirrel away appx 60 250mg Soma that have not been found. I dont get a refill for 2.5 months. He took the rest of them, appx 50 per day, and shook, couldnt walk nor feed himself, it was a shit show.
I have 27 5mg oxy until my refil of 15mg oxy in exactly 7 days. Ive taken 10mg today so far, and its 7am. I also took 2 kratom capsules, and am hoping they dont cancel each other out. I have a script for 0.2mg clonodine (which he hates, so no issues there) and and 0.5mg diazqpam ready at the pharmacy, but he did a run and now i only have 24 bucks in my acct so idk when I can get them. I DO have some like 3yo 0.2mg mg diazapam, appx 50, that area also squirreled away, that I can take. I also have tagament.
I just happen to like grapefruit juice, lol, the white gfj, so I have been drinking that for appx 20 years. I HATE the seltzer water stuff, I have a bunch of GI issues, and it messes with me too much to get any benefit. I just throw it up along with any meds I take.
I want to thank each and every person for your very kind and thoughtful replies, im very touched and appreciative. Yes, I am 100% physically dependant on some of this stuff, but its hard for me to call myself an ADDICT at this point, because drugs scare me and I only take ehat im prescribed as prescribed, and honestly my doctor's is the one that suggests the meds, ive never asked for anything other than zophran and protonix. He will totally give me a few mg of hisethadone because its this vicious cycle of him taking my stuff, getting high and sometimes violent, coming outta it and feeling terrible and worthless, and then trying and me ha ing to console him, him giving me his methadone but then HES short and I have to give him more than half of my oxy to not be sick (hes on 225mg a day) and it just keeps happening over and over and I am so over it. So I need any advice to help, if anyone can help?
Right now my meds are hidden in my bra, lol, ive hidden them all over the house and theyre always found. I hope this new hiding spit will work, theres so few pills they dont create a lump, and its a sports bra, so fingers crossed. Im so sorry I didnt explain the situation better to begin with. I appreciate everyone's input, you guys are the bestest!

Wow, sorry to hear all that! The whole problem comes down to him taking your oxys, and you know that. Him then giving you his methadone just means he is short of it at which point he will want more of your oxy. Pretty endless cycle of neither of you being medicated properly and as prescribed. You really have to break that cycle and get him back on routine methadone. He went on methadone in the first place to get better. Can you persuade him that this is better than what is going on now? Hopefully he recognizes how miserable this is for both of you. Right now it's like you are the one being forced into your withdrawal to support him avoiding his withdrawal. That's not right.
I guess kraton could help you fill in the gaps. especially since it's legal in Pennsylvania. How is it working for you? I'm just not sure how it interacts with your various other drugs. 7 oh for sure is a strong substitute for opioids but I gather it develops a lot of tolerance quickly ( I have very limited experience with it) It can really get to be a big expensive habit, plus it'll be illegal soon. Maybe there is some way to reset this cycle by making sure he keeps taking his daily methadone and you deal with your own pain/withdrawal with your limited drugs, enhanced with kratom or 7 oh? Would he stop taking your oxy if he didn't run out of methadone?
Anyhow, sorry I don't know much about potentiating and mixing and matching. I do know that there is greater risk of unwanted interactions, though. But above all, you need to get his use under control for both your sakes
Good luck, let us know how it goes.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I think I may be in a bit too much pain at the current movement to fully comprehend what youre trying to explain to me, and Im also not super familiar with some of the terms your using. I HAVE been on medications way too much for my liking, but as of yet, I kinda dont fully know know what exactly youre trying to explain to me, and im deeply sorry for this.
But it sounds like youve been through the writing era. I feel terrible for your plight, and I only wish I knew more about what youre trying to communicate with me so I could respond better.
I wasn't sure how to edit my own post, so I posted a reply. Maybe if you can "dumb" it down for me, it'll help me understand what youre saying a bit more.
I truly appreciate you reaching out to me though. If you care to read my replies to my own post, lol, amd help guide me a bit, that would be fabulous!
I hope you feel better soon, it sounds like youre really going through some tough shit, and I hope only the best things for you.
Have a great day, take careA

No stress take your time if needed. ZeN !


i can try to explain more clearly what you don t grasp. In due time.
Chronic insomniac atm, but not a pain patient.

But Kratom/ Mitragyna Speciosa, the Leaf must be familiar ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitragyna_speciosa.
It s a tree that has affinity. for the MU-receptor in unique way.
Meaning the powdered Leaf, not a extract

What i use for Dental and other more heavy duty pains.
Dr s here won t prescribe anything.
I am 50 in my whole life, 1 time got a painkiller, 49 times not.
Same with Benzo s now, and you don t wanna know how many elderly.
Take these daily, maybe too silence s them ?

Use them to keep people productive and have meaningful live s,
it s like talking to Wall s. I am stuck too.

Why not silence my Healthcare college s, that stole there med s ?
To kill their own body pain s, working hard shifts un-regular hour s.
Pain-management has a wide understanding.
For the dr s in my land, hope your better of.

eMKee

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I totally understand where youre coming from. Maybe i AM an addict, but ive never taken more meds than prescribed, never asked for any meds except for zophrqn and protonix for some kinda gnarly GI issues, but I totally didnt express myself the way I intended to the first time. I tried to edit my post but couldnt figure it out, so I replied to my own post. Maybe if you feel so inclined you can read my reply to myself. If not, I truly appreciate your advice. I know physical dependency to addiction can be a slippery slope, so I appreciate it. Thank-you for your adgice!!!!

I mean didnt you just say you were trading your meds for a more potent opioid or did I misread that? If you're trading your oxy for methadone then ya that's taking more than what you're suppose too. I'm not judging you but it's important you be honest with yourself

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Wow, sorry to hear all that! The whole problem comes down to him taking your oxys, and you know that. Him then giving you his methadone just means he is short of it at which point he will want more of your oxy. Pretty endless cycle of neither of you being medicated properly and as prescribed. You really have to break that cycle and get him back on routine methadone. He went on methadone in the first place to get better. Can you persuade him that this is better than what is going on now? Hopefully he recognizes how miserable this is for both of you. Right now it's like you are the one being forced into your withdrawal to support him avoiding his withdrawal. That's not right.
I guess kraton could help you fill in the gaps. especially since it's legal in Pennsylvania. How is it working for you? I'm just not sure how it interacts with your various other drugs. 7 oh for sure is a strong substitute for opioids but I gather it develops a lot of tolerance quickly ( I have very limited experience with it) It can really get to be a big expensive habit, plus it'll be illegal soon. Maybe there is some way to reset this cycle by making sure he keeps taking his daily methadone and you deal with your own pain/withdrawal with your limited drugs, enhanced with kratom or 7 oh? Would he stop taking your oxy if he didn't run out of methadone?
Anyhow, sorry I don't know much about potentiating and mixing and matching. I do know that there is greater risk of unwanted interactions, though. But above all, you need to get his use under control for both your sakes
Good luck, let us know how it goes.

Tolerance rises in days, dependance forms in less time lol two days of moderate dosing you're hooked albeit minorly still shit though. It's REALLY expensive by the end of it for most people anyways. It's incredibly short duration also makes it morish and myself and other have described a special kind of anxiety you get on the comedown that compulses you to redose

 

[Them Witches]

Tolerance rises in days, dependance forms in less time lol two days of moderate dosing you're hooked albeit minorly still shit though. It's REALLY expensive by the end of it for most people anyways. It's incredibly short duration also makes it morish and myself and other have described a special kind of anxiety you get on the comedown that compulses you to redose

Yeah one really has to be on "empty" for 7-OH to work day after day. Your right 2 days in a row and it really does not work as well. I will attest that larger doses 240mg-480mg 7-OH has at least a 12hr duration leading into 16hrs. This is for someone like myself who is extremely opioid dependent (physically). Though a few days of those high doses and the duration becomes less than 12hrs and there is nothing to gain feeling wise by taking a smaller dose. It will only address the physical dependence.

For the current cost, 7-OH is one of those drugs meant to be taken every 3 days when on empty or damn near empty. Big pharma should have jumped all over it and made it into a sustainable pain medication. ex. IR, ER, or hybrid IR outer shell with a ER inner core. It makes a great breakthru medication and/or useful when traditional opioids cause unwanted side effects. It can & should be used for procedure sessions like how ketamine is used. Go into the office and take a large ass dose when your in a lot of pain or need a reset.

Being dependent on it for what it costs is for the birds. If 240mg was $10 than 7-OH would never have never gotten out of hand. People would not be running to MAT and the ER with detox horror stories needing help. $10 bucks is a pack of smokes or a 6 pack these days or even eating one meal in fast food.

 

[WellTram]

Hey everyone, this is my first ever post after reading BL info for probably 20 years. Hence, I'm only a green lighter.
Okay so I've often found advice here on BL, and have read all the Qs and As.
I can't find a diffinative answer to the question im about to ask. My brief hx is thay I'm a 47yo female, appx 5'3", 63" or 1.9m. I am a bit too heavy foe my height, at 160lbs, 11.5 stone or 75.5ish kilo. I have the following scripts available to me right now, and on a continual basis, though my PCM (primary care) physician is hoping to wean me down. I'm rounding up/down EACH individual pill to the nearest pill for easier conversion).

Right now, I have as follows-

CONTROLLED or SCHEDULED in US:
15mg Roxiocdone (oxycodone/(appx 3ea)
5mg Roxiocdone (oxycodone/(appx 130ea)
2mg Diazepam (valium/appx 80ea)
5mg Diazepam (valium/90ea)
75mg Pregabalin (Lyrica, 100ea)
150 Pregabalin (Lyrica, 180ea)
250mg Carisoprodol (Soma, 110 ea)

OTC or prescribed non-scheduled meds:
25mg Promethazine (phenegran/appx 300ea)
4mg Ondansetron (zophran, 30ea)
8mg Ondansetron (zophran, 90 ea)
100mg Topiramate (Topimax, 100 ea)
6mg Tizanidine (Zanaflex, 120ea)
200mg Quetiapine Fumarate (Seroquel, 300ea)
200mg Cimetidine (Tagament, 120ea)
6mg/.050mg Sumatriptan Auto-injectors
(Imiprex , 8ea)
20mg Duloxetine (Cymbalta, 100ea)
20mg Dicylomine (Bentyl, 40ea)
0.2mg Clonodine (Duraclon, 90ea)

And some randos:
Vitamin D?
THC/CBM gummies, Cycling Frog brand, 25mg THC/ 25mg CBD
25mg Red Maeng Da capsules (Kratom, 60ea)
1oz of loose red vein kratom
1oz of loose ground white vein kratom
1oz of loose green vein kratom
60mg 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl (MP) pills (6ea)
White grapefruit juice (NOT blend)
AND a combo of USED Mylan brand, non-resevior type, fentanyl transdermal patches between 50mg, 25mg, and 12mg, used by only myself, for transdermal use as prescribed, between appx 14 and all 72 hours of prescribed use, all on the packaged plastic backs/foil outer seal for the adhesion to hopefully not disintegrate the meds contained within, all still sticky, and appx 40ea of various dosages.

So the harder part. Like I mentioned briefly, my NP (PCM) is talking about cutting down my scripts. I've been on them appx 18 months. Initially, I was on most the scripts I listed above for appx 7 years, except narcotic pain relief and Soma sporatically. 18-14 months ago, I was on 50mg fentanyl patches, 85tmg oxy. 13-11 months ago, 25mg fentanyl patch and 75mg oxy. Now, I'm on no patch and 75mg oxy. I've been taking all 75mg oxy daily since then, She added Soma 4 weeks ago, 375mg 4x a day.

Problem is, this guy I know is an addict, and he got into my oxy a few months ago. So Ive been continuously short... but HE'S on methadone (225mg/day), so when he takes my oxy, he backfills me with 30mg of methadone a day. Which is great (for me) to stop the withdrawals from opiates for a good 24 hours, but It doesn't help my pain, and then HE'S short HIS meds and I have to give him some of my oxy to help him, and the cycle just going on, ya know?

Now my doctor has added the Soma and wants me to drop the oxy, but I'll be SO SHORT and am hoping to find out how to know how to potentiate every last bit I have. I have 17 days till I get 90ea 15mg oxy, but now HES sick again, and needs help stretching the few oxy I have left with his being 3 days short on his methadone- he picks up 3 week's worth in 6 days.
SOOO, how do I make my oxy try and last me the whole 17 days without taking HIS methadone when he gets a refill and Continuing this vicious cycle? How can HE potentiate the methadone/oxy scripts to help him from becoming more sick/not stumbling because of a Soma overdo? I know tagament, WGFJ, and DXM can all help, but how much (I've read 1 gram of Tagament, 45 minutes to an hour before a fatty meal and then the oxy/methadone.)

I've done 4ea 15mg tabs of DXM in the past to extend my script, but they make me VERY tired). GFJ has never helped me, but i drink it daily anyway... How much of the other two are recommended? For me and for him? He IS a recovering addict, and has taken like 40ea Soma every 12-24 hours last time he was sick, but I was literally feeding him and taking him to the bathroom to pee,.. he was shaking so badly, and I know they can result in seizures... plz no advise that I should no longer be loving towards him, okay?

In case you're curiois, I DO uave a huge, insane stock of meds. I know Im very lucky in this respect. I'm also a US military retiree, have some in-service and non- service-connected injuries- and being in during 9/11, some typical PTSD BS, but ALSO very documented and diagnosed, chronic panic attacks and dissociative disorder.

I say this because I had Ketamine administered IM because they couldn't establish a vein after a spiral comminuted humerus fracture, 4x IM leg injections cuz they were outta pain meds, and I SERIOUSLY freaked out, it was like an old-timey Pink Floyd video from the 80s in the worse context, lol. I never have used IV before, but am tempted to at this moment, and my friend could help me with it aince he's experienced, and I'm not, and frankly, Im just kinda not interested unless it'll seriously help with pain relief, amd intenaity and LONGEVITY of the meds. I'm NOT that interested i vgetting a high, only relief and any avoidance of withdrawls. I HAVE tried snorting a couple 15mg oxy last script in vain attempts of stop being sick, but didnt help. Ive never parachuted anything and dont even know how.

As I said, any and all advise will be SO APPRECIATED! Thanks so much either way

You should try tramadol ( if u are good in cyp2d6 enzyme presence ).
Even oral drops 100mg/1ml - much better than casual IR tablets or capsules, provide decent opioid effects lasting for 8 hours after first few doses. They are very instant acting and that means plasma concentrations of tramadol and O-DSMT are higher.
Desmethyltramadol is actually almost as potent as oxycodone but there is no rush because it takes 3 hours for tramadol to turn into O-DSMT but half-life is much longer than that of oxy, so u can use it as substitute ( you will avoid wd symptoms ) and at the same time your serotonine, noradrenaline and even dopamine concentrations will be much higher, thanks to 5-HT2C antagonist effect of tramadol resulting in indirect dopamine rise, noradrenaline reuptake inhibition and instant serotonine releasing effects.
This will result in almost stimulant-like mood lift while avoiding withdrawal symptoms thanks to actual opioid - O-Desmethyltramadol binding with high enough affinity for mu opioid receptors so you will not suffer, u will be ok + instant mood and energy lift.
150 mg every 4-6 hours but u also need clonazepam/alprazolam/diazepam to protect u trom possible risk of seizures.
I don't know how used to benzos u are but taking 1mg alprazolam/1mg clonazepam/ 20 mg diazepam with every 150 mg tramadol dose is enough to protect you from seizures. Probably also turn your mood into calm but happy.
Getting script for tramadol oral drops 100mg/1ml should not be problematic to obtain fór you. This will result in solution of your problem. Taper it down when u won't longer need it. if your doctor can't prescribe oral drops ( not sure if they are available in your country) ask for 200mg ER pills. Take enough to feel ok but wait for 5 hours because they have very slow onset but very long duration.
I used this therapy few times and it absolutely works. Tramadol Is much more interesting and potent than most of people think. Its's not used officialy for severe pain or substitution therapy only because using more than 400mg Is too much neuroexcitatory but with benzodiazepines you can use even 2000mg, no limit as in case of codeine.
It's wonderful for pain or getting high but u have to use antiepileptic anticonvulsants to be safe if you need high doses. In my case Levetiracetam and alprazolam provide 100% protection against side effects of very high doses ( it's very potent and effective central opioid analgetic).

 

[Kurt Cobain]

You should try tramadol ( if u are good in cyp2d6 enzyme presence ).
Even oral drops 100mg/1ml - much better than casual IR tablets or capsules, provide decent opioid effects lasting for 8 hours after first few doses. They are very instant acting and that means plasma concentrations of tramadol and O-DSMT are higher.
Desmethyltramadol is actually almost as potent as oxycodone but there is no rush because it takes 3 hours for tramadol to turn into O-DSMT but half-life is much longer than that of oxy, so u can use it as substitute ( you will avoid wd symptoms ) and at the same time your serotonine, noradrenaline and even dopamine concentrations will be much higher, thanks to 5-HT2C antagonist effect of tramadol resulting in indirect dopamine rise, noradrenaline reuptake inhibition and instant serotonine releasing effects.
This will result in almost stimulant-like mood lift while avoiding withdrawal symptoms thanks to actual opioid - O-Desmethyltramadol binding with high enough affinity for mu opioid receptors so you will not suffer, u will be ok + instant mood and energy lift.
150 mg every 4-6 hours but u also need clonazepam/alprazolam/diazepam to protect u trom possible risk of seizures.
I don't know how used to benzos u are but taking 1mg alprazolam/1mg clonazepam/ 20 mg diazepam with every 150 mg tramadol dose is enough to protect you from seizures. Probably also turn your mood into calm but happy.
Getting script for tramadol oral drops 100mg/1ml should not be problematic to obtain fór you. This will result in solution of your problem. Taper it down when u won't longer need it. if your doctor can't prescribe oral drops ( not sure if they are available in your country) ask for 200mg ER pills. Take enough to feel ok but wait for 5 hours because they have very slow onset but very long duration.
I used this therapy few times and it absolutely works. Tramadol Is much more interesting and potent than most of people think. Its's not used officialy for severe pain or substitution therapy only because using more than 400mg Is too much neuroexcitatory but with benzodiazepines you can use even 2000mg, no limit as in case of codeine.
It's wonderful for pain or getting high but u have to use antiepileptic anticonvulsants to be safe if you need high doses. In my case Levetiracetam and alprazolam provide 100% protection against side effects of very high doses ( it's very potent and effective central opioid analgetic).

I wish I had access to trams or ODSMT

 

[WellTram]

I wish I had access to trams or ODSMT

Tram IS basically O-DSMT potentiated by patent drug antidepressant properties.
But ONLY for ultra cyp2d6 metabolisers.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I've got nothing but love for you @mitemouse You came here for advice and not bullshit, so I'm not giving you any.

I don't know how this person is in your life. Anybody who knows that you struggle with serious pain but is willing to take your medications is not your friend. I don't care if they're "getting you back later" or "trading", they know, you know, it's fucked up and wrong. At the place you are in life, you absolutely need to shed these kinds of people. It's totally unacceptable. I'm not saying they're bad people. They are addicts and not prepared to be around you at this time. Continuing this dalliance will only make things worse.

From what I hear, you basically give your needed pain medication away for the privilege of kind of not being sick but still experiencing pain. Wow, that's a great trade off.

It was bad when it was being done "consensually". When he started stealing your shit he crossed a very serious line. I'm not sure why they are still near you, but they need to be gone... gone. You cannot live like this. You are a veteran. You have legitimate pain issues. Now you're basically taking on this person's addiction so they can maybe get some kicks for a day or two. I tell you what, when your doctor finds out what's up, they are not going to be nearly as kind and/or sympathetic as we are.

They will take your medications at the first hint of trouble. They will possibly reduce you in an extremely quick and painful way or not at all. You will lose everything and this person will move on to the next score.

I've been at this stage before, of course. I'd look in medicine cabinets, the normal junkie shit. I stole from my own mother, who is a saint. I had to go through a whole lot of learning, pain and bullshit before I became the kind of person that could be around another person in a real way.

Nobody who truly cared about you would have ever done anything like this. You have to remember that. You are not just some thing for people to use and throw away. You do not have to stand for this shit. If you need me to talk to them, give me their number and I will have a conversation with them that will have them out of your life for good.

 

[GoodnessGRACEious]

I have heard Soma potentiates it big time. I’m surprised that you have it, because it is not available as far as I know in the US. The closest I can get is Zanaflex and I use that for sleep.

I wrote a whole long post about this that probably nobody read, but grapefruit juice when you are taking the oxy, both a couple gulps before, then drink it down with it, and then a gulp or two after, and that should potentiate really well.

I remember someone here once had posted the perfect formula and it was something like T -45 minutes drink a bunch of grapefruit juice, then drink seltzer water with quinine, then t-30 take Coricidin HBP coffin, cold, along with tag me, and about 10 minutes before take some Tums

I used to do that, but then I found that it was entirely unnecessary. Taking my OXY with my grapefruit juice potentiates it very well without having to add on all the other stuff. But you need to take it with the medication and it needs to be the type that’s either white or in my avatar above. I drink the one in my avatar above because they stopped carrying the pure white grapefruit juice. Hope this helps.

Also, the worst thing you can possibly do is continue trading like that because it’s a never-ending cycle. My sister tried getting me into that sort of cycle with Xanax and I put a stop to it and then when she asked for some, I said I didn’t have any even though I did. Because the truth was that I didn’t have any – for her. Once that cycle starts it continues. Plus with methadone it can affect your heart.

Lastly, if you have real pain, and can avoid being taken off of oxycodone, I would advise it. Because once they get you off, trying to get back on might be near impossible. A friend of mine wanted to take a break from them and took some Subutex, but then found the pain was too much And the doctor treated her like complete crap and would not prescribe opiates that she had been on prior (and it was the same Pain Management Dr! Made no sense… She literally had to get some procedure done before he would put her back on meds). So just be careful.Good luck

Take two tums or A spoon full of baking soda 30 min before you take your meds. It’ll neutralize the citric acid and allow for a much higher absorption. Just be safe, it potentiates the medicine causing higher plasma levels etc.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Take two tums or A spoon full of baking soda 30 min before you take your meds. It’ll neutralize the citric acid and allow for a much higher absorption. Just be safe, it potentiates the medicine causing higher plasma levels etc.

Unless you have a very very low tolerance that'll do next to nothing aside from possibly mildly extend the drugs duration but as far as actually making the high stronger? You'd have better luck popping a couple benadryl with your opioids