Help - I think I am GOD and thus NOTHING

[Darkmatter77]

you are god.

and now you have to live with that.

Sounds like my last trip:
Me, thinking: In the beginning the universe was some hot plasma. This plasma evolved into matter, and just recently that matter became conscious. Thus I am the universe which just became conscious and is watching itself. *SHIT* But I don't want to be the universe! What has been seen can't be unseen! I'll be scarred for life *DO NOT WANT*

 

[Dedbeet]

Sounds like my last trip:
Me, thinking: In the beginning the universe was some hot plasma. This plasma evolved into matter, and just recently that matter became conscious. Thus I am the universe which just became conscious and is watching itself. *SHIT* But I don't want to be the universe! What has been seen can't be unseen! I'll be scarred for life *DO NOT WANT*

Sorry... you are consciousness/awareness, not a body -- thus, your body is inside you, along with everyone else's body. Just the way it is, mon . No one gets to be an actually separated individual with its own mind and awareness to itself, standing apart from the rest of the universe.

 

[7ca5p]

Misery likes company ur a perfect example of its best friend. Good luck with ur current way of thinking.

lol, you dont even know me!? Your a fool trying to be so judgmental. I would rather be unhappy than believe utter bullshit. My life will pass me by will it? Im a teenager getting straight A's. Ive got a perfect grounding for my future, which is still far ahead of me.

Thank you very much for the good luck!!! kind gesture to me . Although luck is another false concept, so that doesn't exist either. I cant believe you still belive in fairies and gnomes. I find it funny that you have a poster of the wizard of Oz in your bedroom because you one day would like to meet him! lol he doesn't exist man! Sorry to break your heart.

Good luck with living the rest of your life a lie.

 

[7ca5p]

I think: That every little thing is meaningfull, sounds ridiculous and can't possibly be the case in a mathmatically chaotic system in which I reside.

There you go, fixed that for you.

 

[Darkmatter77]

Sorry... you are consciousness/awareness, not a body -- thus, your body is inside you, along with everyone else's body. Just the way it is, mon . No one gets to be an actually separated individual with its own mind and awareness to itself, standing apart from the rest of the universe.

Sorry, but you are consciousness inside of your body. Just the way it is, mon. You just didn't reach the level to see this, yet. But your ego is strong and your playing is fine. Soon you will be ready to proceed.

 

[Dedbeet]

Sorry, but you are consciousness inside of your body.

Hardly. I can look down at my body (chest/legs) and see it, and then I can look over at your body and see it. Both bodies are in me. And everything else, as well.

There's nothing egoic at all about this -- it's true for any instance of consciousness/awareness.

 

[7ca5p]

Sorry, but you are consciousness inside of your body. Just the way it is, mon. You just didn't reach the level to see this, yet. But your ego is strong and your playing is fine. Soon you will be ready to proceed.

How many fucking spiritual fanatics are in this thread? Lay off the drugs guys, you're losing touch with reality. Conciousness is defined by chemical and electrical activity in the brain. Simple, when you take drugs, they alter the chemical balance and can change electrical activity. Thus inducing different state of consciousness.

 

[Dedbeet]

How many fucking spiritual fanatics are in this thread? Lay off the drugs guys, your losing touch with reality. Conciousness is defined by chemical and electrical activity in the brain. Simple, when you take drugs, they alter the chemical balance and can change electrical activity. Thus inducing different state of consciousness.

Dunno about you, but I haven't lost touch with reality.

 

[Godzilla]

I should have known u were a teen. Ur not mature enough to understand any of the concepts I'm talking about. Straight A's are great but that is just a baby step toward ur future. U will live and learn that hard work and perseverance are great qualities and will take u far but will not make u happy. Sorry I offended u but u upset me with your post.
Please dont talk to me about neurochemistry until u have a degree similar to mine

 

[7ca5p]

Dunno about you, but I haven't lost touch with reality.

then you would see that I backed up your point.........

 

[SecondPull]

. Conciousness is defined by chemical and electrical activity in the brain.

Ah, of course, I see.

Please explain how these processes give rise to consciousness?

Also, can you tell me what consciousness is?

 

[SpinOutOfControl]

LSD does this, but its important to always remember that its just the acid making you feel that way.

Acid will make you feel pretty much anything.

 

[IamMe90]

I should have known u were a teen. Ur not mature enough to understand any of the concepts I'm talking about. Straight A's are great but that is just a baby step toward ur future. U will live and learn that hard work and perseverance are great qualities and will take u far but will not make u happy. Sorry I offended u but u upset me with your post.
Please dont talk to me about neurochemistry until u have a degree similar to mine

Sorry but I don't think you've mentioned any sophisticated concepts in this thread and you type like a retard. Equivocating faith and positivity is stupid when positivity can be reached by any number of channels.

And are you trying to say that altered neurological states don't lead to altered states of consciousness?

I think it's a bit presumptuous and stupid to tell someone else what can and can't make them happy.

 

[7ca5p]

Ah, of course, I see.

Please explain how these processes give rise to consciousness?

Also, can you tell me what consciousness is?

Well theres quite alot to it, maybe too much for your seemingly rather narrow mind to take. But in a paragraph, its oscillatory properties of thalamic neurons and corticothalamic excitatory postsynaptic potentials. It's temporal coherence. Such coherence would be embodied by the simultaneity of neuronal firing based on passive and active dendritic conduction along the apical dendritic core conductors.

There is this thing called education that you may have heard of....you should go get one.

Heres a study you can reference, carried out by the Department of Physiology and Neuroscience, NewYork University School of Medicine:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692417/pdf/9854256.pdf

Edit: To be honest, don't be lazy and do your own fucking research, google is a good website. Rather than asking me such a question, why not type it in to a search engine and find out for yourself? Its a massively vast topic, and theres far too much for me to write here.

 

[SecondPull]

Such vitriol!

An interesting paper. But there seems to be an interchangeable usage of 'consciousness' and 'cognition' throughout. These are not the same thing. Moreover, you can specify neural circuitry and patterns of activation till the cows come home, but it's still not going to tell me 'what' something is.

It is exceedingly arrogant to assume that, based on our incredibly primitive technology and understanding of the universe, we can say that ANYTHING is 'just this' or 'just that.'

 

[IamMe90]

Well theres quite alot to it, maybe too much for your seemingly rather narrow mind to take. But in a paragraph, its oscillatory properties of thalamic neurons and corticothalamic excitatory postsynaptic potentials. It's temporal coherence. Such coherence would be embodied by the simultaneity of neuronal firing based on passive and active dendritic conduction along the apical dendritic core conductors.

There is this thing called education that you may have heard of....you should go get one.

Heres a study you can reference, carried out by the Department of Physiology and Neuroscience, NewYork University School of Medicine:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692417/pdf/9854256.pdf

Edit: To be honest, don't be lazy and do your own fucking research, google is a good website. Rather than asking me such a question, why not type it in to a search engine and find out for yourself? Its a massively vast topic, and theres far too much for me to write here.

well, i support the cognitive sciences quite a bit and they have a lot of potential to teach us, but there are some limitations.

there are structural issues at hand that will only allow neurosci to get so far - we can make correlations between certain neurological states and certain states of consciousness but when you try to bridge the phenomenological gap and actually explain causally how a biochemical process can actually translate directly into a conscious/phenomenon, you're going to get stumped.

 

[7ca5p]

but it's still not going to tell me 'what' something is.

Conciousness = Awareness of ones surroundings and perception of their subjective reality, including the ability to render appropriate cognition given the sensory stimuli. Have you ever 'lost conciousness'?

Edit:

Such vitriol

Yeah sorry about that, but "How can you explain conciousness" is such a typical christian question, usually asked with the accompanying audacity to assume that it proves supernatural influence....which it simply does not. It is often followed up with such classics as 'Why is there a missing link?' and 'Without faith you can't be good'.

 

[7ca5p]

when you try to bridge the phenomenological gap and actually explain causally how a biochemical process can actually translate directly into a conscious/phenomenon, you're going to get stumped.

Why so? There is nothing more at play. Consciousness is a biological process in the brain; Biological processes can be explained in terms of chemicals and physical interactions of forces and charge.

 

[hobhead]

^^^no,no, no--it's all mystical and shit---we know because we are not impressionable youngsters tossing strong chemicals into our selves !

 

[IamMe90]

Why so? There is nothing more at play. Consciousness is a biological process in the brain; Biological processes can be explained in terms of chemicals and physical interactions of forces and charge.

i don't think you understand the subtle difference between causality and correlation; the problem of causality is one that is largely discussed in philosophy so it's not a surprise that a lot of science students take "causality" for granted

i'm telling you that you absolutely cannot explain the translation from physical to phenomenological. i dare you to

all you've done is provided correlative processes - this neuron interacting with this causes this change in consciousness - it's all correlation. but tell me how our conscious experience, which is NOT phenomenologically the same as external sensory perception, occurs as a result of those interactions? you can't. you can break down the correlative processes ad infinitum into a chain of microprocesses, but they're still correlative in nature. all you're doing is describing consciousness in terms of physical processes - which does not the bridge the inherent disconnect between them.

I ask you how physical neurological interaction translates into conscious experience. you say that "its oscillatory properties of thalamic neurons and corticothalamic excitatory postsynaptic potentials"

I can still ask you how that interaction produces conscious phenomena. I'm not sure how else to break it down but there it is. "causality" breaking down into nothing more than correlation is a longstanding problem in philosophy that has been addressed in my ways. hume largely left it alone; kant tried to account for causality by claiming it as an priori faculty of the human mind. regardless of your solution, you can't get around the fact that you will never be able to descriptively/causally tell me how conscious phenomena are caused at the very fundamental level by physical processes

the problem with scientists is that sometimes they are blinded by the efficacy of their own research, in terms of pragmatic results. your correlative knowledge of neuro-cognitive processes as they relate to consciousness is extremely useful, but that doesn't mean that you can know everything there is to know about consciousness. believe it or not, philosophy can and does point out legitimate limitations on the scope of your research. that is why there is a huge branch of philosophy called "epistemology" that deals with the inherent and structural limitations of knowledge.