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Tryptamines Has anyone seen any real 4-aco-dmt?

How I used to trip was take about 50mg first - lay down for an hour during the comeup, then slowly start moving around. Then when I was up - I'd take another 100mg put some music on and start dancing. I didn't feel there was an upper dose that would be uncomfortable - I just used to shovel a pile into some 00 capsules. A good 300-400mg if not more - the only thing that would stop me taking more is it cost £70 a gram - it just felt better and better the more I took.

With the grey - after the first dose I was fucked. Laid on the couch for the rest of the day too scared to move. No question of taking anymore or dancing.

Real 4aco to me was like mothers milk - I loved everything about it except it did have a slight physical comedown. The best dance drug I have ever taken.
 
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I think it's the perfect psychedelic. It opens up a place inside that I've never reached on anything but DMT - like this eternal place inside where you seem to talk to this deepest, purest version of yourself. I remember I hadn't taken it for a few weeks and when I tripped I closed my eyes and heard a voice "Where you been man? I've missed you so much" and I was just laughing and saying "I'm great I'm great" - just a conversation with the deepest part of your soul. Only DMT ever takes you to that place - never got there on LSD.

4-aco-DMT - what a fucking drug that was.
 
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Esperighanto said:
On a side note, I couldn't find a thread of people comparing/contrasting their favorite 4-substituted tryptamines, can you @Shinji Ikari? If not I'll be starting one tonight.
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Most of them have their own big and dandy's but I'm not aware of one solely for comparing and contrasting 4-subs. If there is it'll probably be linked in the OP of the 4-aco big and dandy (I checked after the fact, there isn't). It could be a fun discussion, though for my part of only tried 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met. I've never seen any of the others available in my country.

Ismene2 said:
How I used to trip was take about 50mg first - lay down for an hour during the comeup, then slowly start moving around. Then when I was up - I'd take another 100mg put some music on and start dancing. I didn't feel there was an upper dose that would be uncomfortable - I just used to shovel a pile into some 00 capsules. A good 300-400mg if not more - the only thing that would stop me taking more is it cost £70 a gram - it just felt better and better the more I took.
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Reminds me of something slightly similar I did last year; working my way through half an ounce of shrooms in honey over the course of a day, itself after having been up all night on acid. I just kept spreading it on slices of toast. A lot of people would say it's a waste to redose like this and in terms of efficiency it is - I would have tripped 'harder' had I taken them all at once - but taking a very high dose spread over several hours does make for a unique experience and pulls you into quite a different headspace when compared to a traditional 6 hour single dose trip with a defined come up, peak and comedown.

It also sets you up with a hilariously high tolerance from the getgo which may explain the lack of body load you experienced at those doses. 100mg a few hours after a 50mg dose is going to tickle compared to 100mg at baseline, and so on through multiple redoses.

The last thing we surprisingly haven't mentioned is set/setting, which for 4-aco-dmt I think plays a much larger role than it does with acid for example. I don't know where you are in your life and self then vs now but because of personal issues I'll not bore you with I'm not currently able to use 4-aco-dmt in any sort of recreational context (not for lack of trying) whereas a year ago I could.

Different circumstances and a different mindset is all I can attribute to that because I'm still sitting on the same batch of 4-aco-dmt I purchased in August last year. I'm not saying that has anything to do with you, but it is one example of a factor separate from the drug itself that can completely change the experience.
 
negrogesic said:
I had taken a little etizolam beforehand and all of a sudden I had balls of steel, so I figured let me take a huge dose and see where it goes.

When I consumed the 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT, I had already consumed about 80mg of 4-HO-MET. At that dose of 4-HO-MET, the evening pink clouds in the sunset started dancing around the sky.

Then I got the great idea to take a massive dose of 4-AcO-DMT. Note, I am a baby when it comes to psychedelics and get alot of anxiety. I am not a seasoned psychedelic user. I am mainly a junky (ex-junky), which stems from my anxiety and existential dread. But benzos shift my personality dramatically, my fears evaporate and curiosity increases.

The worst and dumbest things I've ever done, including getting arrested, were all done under the influence of benzos.

The etizolam definitely do shit as far as the anxiety I experienced from that 4-AcO-DMT megadose.

I once swallowed a half gram rock of DCK, first time using it, no dissociative tolerance, due to etizolam. While I'd never repeat that again, the visions I saw were so profound I don't regret doing it. Also turns out the sample was O-PCE contaminated. Was high for days, then for weeks felt on the verge of a nervous breakdown, with weird desires to walk into traffic and etc. But the vision I saw was mind blowing, recalling being back in the womb, whereby we are all omniscient beings, knowing all the secrets of the universe, which we forget upon birth. I don't know if I actually believe it, but it was mindblowing and so realistic. Would never do it again but I technically don't regret it.

I do however regret that 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT, it was pure horror, incomprehensible, and revolting. No relevation, aside from knowing what it might feel like right before death (it was a very sad feeling, my life sort of flashed before my eyes, and I realized I had wasted it).
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Esperighanto said:
I'm honestly suspecting that this gray 4-aco-dmt is actually 4-aco-det or another wicked similar, barely different compound chemically that made its way into the supply. I'm not positive, just my current hunch
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Holy shit that is a lot. Benzo's give you the best ideas eh?.
Etizolam had a rather attractive trams woman feeding me pipes of what ended at 800mg 5meodmt. Apparently I thought someone else was my reflection in a mirror and slapped them and told them to pull themselves together. Don't remember much apart from sexy trans woman straddling me next to my gf and eating my face. Bit rapey but I enjoyed it I think and . my ex gf thought it was funny. Bizzare evening.
 
Got quite a bit of it haven't used in months. In freezer. Had it well over a year . Does this stuff in freezer his stuff keep for years ?
 
In the US here. Was gifted 600 mgs of the pure white powder 5 years ago. 15-20 mgs is a solid and strong trip with no side effects.

Innerpeace said:
Got quite a bit of it haven't used in months. In freezer. Had it well over a year . Does this stuff in freezer his stuff keep for years ?
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I have some in the freezer for 5 years. Have not had any in a year due to mushrooms making their way to me and they will lose potency over time if they are not dried to perfection. So I will take those first when I have them. But 4 years after receiving the 4-ACO-DMT it is still pure white and 15 mgs zooted me a year ago. When I researched the storage of the fumarate it seems even at room temp it will stay white for years. I had some loosely folded in some parchment paper in a drawer just to see how long it would stay white and even a few years later it still is. But I have also heard the non fumarate forms changed color but just about everyone that had the black stuff said it was just as potent. This info gathered from researching BL history.

Here is the thing with RC's and me. All I need to know is that mushrooms, LSD, cactus and DMT are around. But I learned 4-ACO-DMT is a beautiful trip, shorter than mushrooms but also great for doing internal work. It is the only RC I have done more than once. Most 2C's (besides 2C-B) I have only tried once. Although 4-HO-MIPT I tried twice some years back.

I have hope for some 2C's to come back around for people to utilize. Sad how there are so many bans against such wonderful tools.
 
JackARoe said:
In the US here. Was gifted 600 mgs of the pure white powder 5 years ago. 15-20 mgs is a solid and strong trip with no side effects.
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It's enough to make me want to emigrate to the US. Real 4-aco available!!
 
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All I need to know is that mushrooms, LSD, cactus and DMT are around.
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I think there's something quite poetic about how nature has provided these tools for hundreds of thousands of years and then we were the last missing piece to create LSD.

The mushroom the cactus the tree and finally humanity.

:shruggies:
 
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negrogesic said:
I took 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT. The nausea felt like my stomach was twisting. The hallucinations were immersive and revolting.

Interestingly though, i didn't vomit. Was a terrible decision though, I thought I'd wind up in a psych ward for weeks trying to reintegrate myself back into reality but 8 hours later I was fine. Dumbest part was that the visuals weren't even interesting, just a sea of black and white swirls that I was stuck in. I've had far better visuals from 30mg. 350mg is equivalent to well over an ounce of shrooms, which is beyond human comprehension. In a lucid moment I felt within my core that I was dying, so perhaps it mimicks the biochemical inducted feeling that precedes death. It wasnt ego death, it felt like actual death.
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A normal dose of 4 Aco DMT is 20 to 30mg, 40 to 60 if you want to go HEAVY.
I would put 15 to 20mg as an equivalent of 4g of dried shrooms.
Pills are sold as containing 18 to 25mg.

How come you took 350mg?

EDIT: Sorry, I see that someone already asked and you already answered.
 
Hang on Phobis! In the days of UK Yore, now be 4 or 5 years gine by now...when there was TAN AN|D WHITE 4-ACO-DMT not the accursed GREY BATCH OF VOMIT "they say, an apprenticw fell into the vat and all the ever found were his brogues...which were returned to his mother, his dear, dear mother.

I was meaning to say...ahem...I used to LOVE big doses of real 4-aco - it was my dance drug supreme. oooh I woul;d shake my ass!!
 
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arrall said:
…why?
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negrogesic said:
I had taken a little etizolam beforehand and all of a sudden I had balls of steel, so I figured let me take a huge dose and see where it goes.

When I consumed the 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT, I had already consumed about 80mg of 4-HO-MET. At that dose of 4-HO-MET, the evening pink clouds in the sunset started dancing around the sky.

Then I got the great idea to take a massive dose of 4-AcO-DMT. Note, I am a baby when it comes to psychedelics and get alot of anxiety. I am not a seasoned psychedelic user. I am mainly a junky (ex-junky), which stems from my anxiety and existential dread. But benzos shift my personality dramatically, my fears evaporate and curiosity increases.

The worst and dumbest things I've ever done, including getting arrested, were all done under the influence of benzos.

The etizolam definitely didn't do shit as far as the anxiety I experienced from that 4-AcO-DMT megadose.

I once swallowed a half gram rock of DCK, first time using it, no dissociative tolerance, due to etizolam. While I'd never repeat that again, the visions I saw were so profound I don't regret doing it. Also turns out the sample was O-PCE contaminated. Was high for days, then for weeks felt on the verge of a nervous breakdown, with weird desires to walk into traffic and etc. But the vision I saw was mind blowing, recalling being back in the womb, whereby we are all omniscient beings, knowing all the secrets of the universe, which we forget upon birth. I don't know if I actually believe it, but it was mindblowing and so realistic. Would never do it again but I technically don't regret it.

I do however regret that 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT, it was pure horror, incomprehensible, and revolting. No relevation, aside from knowing what it might feel like right before death (it was a very sad feeling, my life sort of flashed before my eyes, and I realized I had wasted it).
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thank you @Shinji Ikari

@negrogesic It is fascinating to see the contrast between megadosed tryptamines making you feel like you are on the verge of death vs megadosed dissos making you feel like you are on the verge of life

I had a similar experience to your disso experience on 30-35mg of 4-HO-MiPT when I was 17-18.
It was one of the most meaningful trips of my life.

did you remember any of the secrets of the universe, or forget them all upon sobriety?

Also, you may want to look into non-duality.
 
Ismene2 said:
Hang on Phobis! In the days of UK Yore, now be 4 or 5 years gine by now...when there was TAN AN|D WHITE 4-ACO-DMT not the accursed GREY BATCH OF VOMIT "they say, an apprenticw fell into the vat and all the ever found were his brogues...which were returned to his mother, his dear, dear mother.

I was meaning to say...ahem...I used to LOVE big doses of real 4-aco - it was my dance drug supreme. oooh I woul;d shake my ass!!
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I still have a bunch of the white stuff, well its kind of tan now.
But it was pure white when i got it.

Really smooth and still works great, im sad that you find it hard to source.
I got mine from dutch shop about 4years ago.
 
Bitchniggaz said:
I still have a bunch of the white stuff, well its kind of tan now.
But it was pure white when i got it.

Really smooth and still works great, im sad that you find it hard to source.
I got mine from dutch shop about 4years ago.
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Every vendor in the UK just has the grey shit - Im tempted to try it from abroad - even America.
 
Ive tried something I believe could be 4-aco-dmt or something similar. I remember buying 'shroom gummies' that felt nothing like shrooms. Bodyload was minimal and everything felt 'crisp'. mentally was clearheaded. Visuals were way more colourful and everything was kinda bubbling and turning into orbs, it felt extremely stereotypically psychedelic like what a non user would think they are like, I've never had an experience similar with shrooms, dmt or mescaline
 
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