How often was I taking it? I stopped taking 4-aco-dmt twice a day in order to urinate.
No - it's definately psilocybin - utterly fucking spectacular on nature. Been years since I've had a hit of psilo like that.
Tryptamines Has anyone seen any real 4-aco-dmt?
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How often was I taking it? I stopped taking 4-aco-dmt twice a day in order to urinate.
No - it's definately psilocybin - utterly fucking spectacular on nature. Been years since I've had a hit of psilo like that.
You are one of a kind my friend.
Sadly Shinji has a dairy allergy so I doubt I'll be trying them any time soon.
You should grab a copy of The Psilocybin Chef Cookbook, and then consider growing. I used to just eat fungi straight when I was cultivating, fuck it I'd eat the mycelium and just crunch away at rye grains some times. "The gang collectively decided this is wack", I was once told and I was asked for other RoAs since I was running the fungal shit for 6-7 hippie friends at the time and an ounce of dried fungi lasted us maybe 3 days at most. The immediate solution was one that I pulled from this book but with the doses scaled up dramatically, that was alcohol based tinctures. They keep for ~6 weeks, and can be made so potent we were dosing shit dropwise. Especially if you're compressing wicked potent fruits (like pan cyans) you can then just flavor the liquid or put it in a drink, and not need to eat an entire chocolate bar immediately before tripping (for some reason tryptamine comeups feel worse for me if I just ate something sweet, idk why).
I bet some will contain ethocin as well given the recent surge of that in the global synthetic tryptamine supply. I will give you this though, people stateside who are plugged into grow ops with unbelievable output (50+ pounds per grower per season type shit) are getting pretty good at extracting the alkaloids and storing them in sugar shatter, rock candy, chocolate, droppers (like you'd find acid moving in), honey (crystal as well as liquid), maple syrup, fruit juice, all sorts of shit. I was talking to a friend who works in moving things from the grows to the people who get them across borders as he was preparing to embark on a mission to bring 50-55 lbs (the most fungi I've ever seen with my own eyes, holy fuck that took up the majority of a pickup truck) to a guy who was going to allegedly compress them into a single gallon jar of peanut butter to make their way across a border. He was profiting ~25k that run, and told me it'd reformed his business from having to move blow and dabs numerous times a month to only needing to move fungi a few times a year, but that he wasn't expecting the market to remain in such shape for long, as Canadians were severely undercutting American growers.
This same guy told me he was getting requests from nomadic wook drug dealers for "acid mushrooms", so he began carrying pan cyans, as that's often what these wook types meant when they said that, but they meant they wanted very tiny, visually appealing mushrooms with literal liquid LSD dried onto them. He wasn't too enthused about that though.
It's too much faffing about growing them and you can never get enough to trip as often as you'd like so there's always that shitty feeling of "This will be the last time I can do this for a long time". With the chocolate it's instant.
Psilocybin chocolate - it is happening like a bomb is happening.
Psilocybin chocolate - it is happening like a bomb is happening.
Interesting, when I was growing them I could eat irresponsible amounts (20-30g) daily and still never run out, running 4 bins on 6 week cycles I'd have to go through two pounds (~900 grams) in 3 months to end up without any supply left, but maybe the scale of "however many bins I can squeeze under my bed) was more than others would grow.
You are a better man than I. I do wish I could've got into a few industrial sized grows but now I think chocolate is my salvation. Like John of the Cross said "Work at your salvation with diligence"
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I just got some tablets and apparently 10mg, so 2 sensible doses or one ego destroya?
Right?
Right?
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I'd edit this very fucking quickly to removing sourcing info, but consinder the dosing ranges provided by the psychonautwiki for 4-AcO-DMT a good starting point regardless of bodyweight in my personal opinion.
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Yeah, I'm in the states. Fckin yikes dude that sounds awful
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What convinced you to take that much? Tried to do long division on the scale and forgot to carry the 1?
I can't really say much, I once eyeballed an IV dose of 4acodmt. Could've been 30mg, could've been 70mg.
It was... fuckin intense to say the least. I did have some entity contact that time... it was nuts. I probably wouldn't do it again, but it was a worthwhile experience for sure
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I had taken a little etizolam beforehand and all of a sudden I had balls of steel, so I figured let me take a huge dose and see where it goes.
When I consumed the 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT, I had already consumed about 80mg of 4-HO-MET. At that dose of 4-HO-MET, the evening pink clouds in the sunset started dancing around the sky.
Then I got the great idea to take a massive dose of 4-AcO-DMT. Note, I am a baby when it comes to psychedelics and get alot of anxiety. I am not a seasoned psychedelic user. I am mainly a junky (ex-junky), which stems from my anxiety and existential dread. But benzos shift my personality dramatically, my fears evaporate and curiosity increases.
The worst and dumbest things I've ever done, including getting arrested, were all done under the influence of benzos.
The etizolam definitely didn't do shit as far as the anxiety I experienced from that 4-AcO-DMT megadose.
I once swallowed a half gram rock of DCK, first time using it, no dissociative tolerance, due to etizolam. While I'd never repeat that again, the visions I saw were so profound I don't regret doing it. Also turns out the sample was O-PCE contaminated. Was high for days, then for weeks felt on the verge of a nervous breakdown, with weird desires to walk into traffic and etc. But the vision I saw was mind blowing, recalling being back in the womb, whereby we are all omniscient beings, knowing all the secrets of the universe, which we forget upon birth. I don't know if I actually believe it, but it was mindblowing and so realistic. Would never do it again but I technically don't regret it.
I do however regret that 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT, it was pure horror, incomprehensible, and revolting. No relevation, aside from knowing what it might feel like right before death (it was a very sad feeling, my life sort of flashed before my eyes, and I realized I had wasted it).
One question Esperighanto - wouldn't the fact that the grey 4aco is a completely different colour to the tan/white 4aco suggest it's been manufactured with a different synthesis? You arn't going to do the correct synthesis and get a different colour powder every time are you?
If the correct synthesis creates tan/white 4aco that's got little nausea at 300mg- then why would a correct synthesis create something grey that causes intense nausea at 30mg?
If the correct synthesis creates tan/white 4aco that's got little nausea at 300mg- then why would a correct synthesis create something grey that causes intense nausea at 30mg?
Color can be highly affected by shipping and storage conditions, the salt form, sometimes residual coloration from certain steps of syntheses, I've had drugs of identical quality come out in various colors before from the lab. You can't really correlate the colors to the effects, you'd need to send it into a lab with a mass spec to look for possible impurities, and if you do that I will personally sift through them by hand and I promise I'll do my best to figure out what the material differences are in these batches if you would like. I'm very intested in this phenomenon that we've been talking about and am willing to contribute time into investigating it if you'd like.
Even tho all of the good 4aco I've ever had has been the white/tan stuff? The grey has never given me a good trip ever. You still think the grey might be real? If it was a different colour and it had the same effect then I would get your point.
It's way to pricy to fuck about sending it away for testing unless you're an eccentric millionaire. It's £175 a gram. Maybe people taking it doses like 10mg wouldn't notice the nausea - its just when you push the dose you realise it's shit.
There is one other point - I've had oral DMT hundreds of times and I know the kind of nausea DMT creates. Usually one good vomit and you're through it. With the grey "4aco" it just feels like you're poisoned.
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I'm honestly suspecting that this gray 4-aco-dmt is actually 4-aco-det or another wicked similar, barely different compound chemically that made its way into the supply. I'm not positive, just my current hunch.
Here's the thing. Me and @Ismene2 are both based in the UK and both use the DMNs so I think it's extremely likely, probable even, that we've taken the same batch of 4-aco-dmt from the same vendor at some point or another over the last few years. Usually only one or two vendors will have it in at any given time and it tends to disappear for months or longer once the batch has sold out.
And yet, my experience has been that of a clean and clear trip with minimal body load and no nausea, every single time over three different batches purchased since 2021.
So where does that leave us? Either the drugs have changed and I'm less sensitive to the ill effects than Izzy here, or he has changed and is incorrectly attributing the qualitative differences in his experience to the drugs being different.
I genuinely don't know either way but it's food for thought.
And yet, my experience has been that of a clean and clear trip with minimal body load and no nausea, every single time over three different batches purchased since 2021.
So where does that leave us? Either the drugs have changed and I'm less sensitive to the ill effects than Izzy here, or he has changed and is incorrectly attributing the qualitative differences in his experience to the drugs being different.
I genuinely don't know either way but it's food for thought.
Yeah, maybe something that we totally don't understand neurologically changed and now Izzy can pick up playing the piano like a virtuoso or some shit haha. The 4-AcO-DMT Musical Miracle!
On a side note, I couldn't find a thread of people comparing/contrasting their favorite 4-substituted tryptamines, can you @Shinji Ikari? If not I'll be starting one tonight.
What dose are you taking tho? Maybe you don't notice the nausea at 20mg. (Trip wise I wouldn't even feel 20mg so I've never bothered with those kind of doses)
The whole point of 4ac0 for me was that it was ayahuasca without the nausea. (4aco does have it's own twist - subtle differences between 4aco and ayahuasca). So when it started causing nausea with this grey shit I noticed pretty fucking quick.
Yeah it's worth mentioning I don't usually go over 30mg and took 50mg one time only with the latest batch. But you said you were getting nausea on even 30mg doses?
After a lengthy period of abstinence (did I see you say 2 years somewhere?)I think you would notice those doses. 30mg would be a rock solid trip and triple digits would be a lesson on cause, effect, and regrets, for most people anyway.
This does, imo, explain your experience with these "newer" batches of 4-aco-dmt. You've convinced yourself you have a permanent tolerance to this drug when you don't and then you've gone in for a heroic dose and it put you on your arse exactly as it would anyone else.
That's all I can think of anyway because however we look at it you seem to be the outlier.
I'd be keen to hear if anyone else in the UK has had any interesting or unusually negative experiences with 4-aco-dmt in the last 3-ish years.