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Guns/Weapons Discussion

dbighead2 said:
ok I see what you mean, and agree with you on that point.

I just meant, both of them are hobbies.


the only thing I disagree with you on is that ALL guns were invented for killing. MOST are, but not all. There really are guns/bullets meant specifically for target shooting.

but YES, most of them were made for killing something. Which when they were invented, killing was essential, you either killed something or you died.

chrissie said exactly what I meant, just in a much easier way of reading...thanks for that chrissie:)
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Ah well ive learned something new..didn't actually know there were types of guns specifically for target practice!As you can see my knowledge on guns isn't that good.:D
 
buzzy said:
No. You are thinking of the AK74. The 7.62 round was designed in 1943 and used in AK47's.
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Nope that round was the second one used after they found the first didn't fit the requirements they set for the weapon.
 
chrissie said:
A lot of drugs weren't "invented" and not all of them were used originally for pleasure.

Also, I think they can be paralleled in many ways:

Both:
  • Can be deadly if used improperly.
  • Can be helpful in situations if used properly.
  • Users should be educated about their use/misuse.
  • (for the most part) are illegal without a license/prescription.
  • Have many misconceptions about their users (Guns: redneck hicks / Drugs: junkie bums on the street).

I could go on, but you get my point.
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That list strikes me as general, to the point of being trivial. You could say the same for fast cars, radioactive elements, knives or evening owning & sailing a yacht.

There is a fundamental difference between drugs and guns which can't be paralled in the same manner, and it's the one that makes all the difference.

Firearms give the owner means to kill with next to 0 planning and no second chances for innocent victims. A mentally unstable person can't open fire in a playground or shopping center with some pills in his hand. He can take away dozens of lives and ruin dozens more with a gun however.

I'm not anti-gun, I just think the drug-gun analogy isn't valid.
 
apollo said:
Firearms give the owner means to kill with next to 0 planning and no second chances for innocent victims. A mentally unstable person can't open fire in a playground or shopping center with some pills in his hand. He can take away dozens of lives and ruin dozens more with a gun however. I'm not anti-gun, I just think the drug-gun analogy isn't valid.
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No......but they can highjack a couple of airplanes and ram them in to buildings full of people killing thousands. Or they can create a home made bomb and kill hundreds like in Oklahoma City. Mentally unstable people will always kill, whether there are guns available or not. :)


Yeah, I do agree that the drug-gun analogy does not make sense ;)
 
it's easy to say there's no need for a gun except violence and to kill, but if you have ever had somebody pull a gun on you, im pretty sure you'd wish you had one too.
 
I'm pretty sure there isn't any reasons for guns to be legal. That said, they are legal and if I could have a arsenal of guns I would. I don't because my wife never wants me to have one and I'm fine with that.

buzzy
 
just so all you people know, most American's may have 1-2 guns in their house....IF that....most don't.

a .22 rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.
 
So if guns are dangerous in the hands of fools, how does one decide whether or not one is a fool? Who decides who gets guns? Or do you just let everyone have guns and let the annual death toll peak over 11,000? :(
 
sexyanon2 said:
So if guns are dangerous in the hands of fools, how does one decide whether or not one is a fool? Who decides who gets guns? Or do you just let everyone have guns and let the annual death toll peak over 11,000? :(
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The government decides who can own a firearm. The following people are prhibited under federal law from owning or posessing a firearm:

Persons under indictment for, or convicted of, any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

Fugitives from justice.

Persons who are unlawful users of, or addicted to, any controlled substance.

Persons who have been declared by a court as mental defectives or have been committed to a mental institution.

Illegal aliens, or aliens who were admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa.

Persons who have been dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.

Persons who have renounced their United States citizenship.

Persons subject to certain types of restraining orders.

Persons who have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
 
^^ How does this prevent a crackhead from trading a bag of crack for an illegal firearm?

I hate guns because they're pussy as hell. If you hate someone, go up and punch them and beat the shit out of them, I'm sure they'd be happy to return a fight instead of dying instantly and never even hearing the shot that killed them.

That being said, I love my dollar store gun that shoots rubber yellow bullets. It's good for harrassment.
 
^^ How does this prevent a crackhead from trading a bag of crack for an illegal firearm?
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It doesn't, and thats why I need a gun, to portect me from crackheads with illegal firearms.
 
There are 4 whole pages... ive only so far read the first so hopefully this hasnt already been said.

Could someone please tell me what is so "fascinating" and "fucking awesome" about guns?

Really, What?!?

There cant possibly be anything good about them. Even if there is, in general the world would just be a better place without them. Not to say that they are the sole reason for the world 'being a bad place' or anything, but it would certainly help if people didnt love fucking guns so fucking much.
 
StagnantReaction said:
I hate guns because they're pussy as hell. If you hate someone, go up and punch them and beat the shit out of them, I'm sure they'd be happy to return a fight instead of dying instantly and never even hearing the shot that killed them.
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I don't own and carry a gun because I "hate people". I carry a gun for my own protection. I hope I do not EVER have to use it.

I have taken self defense classes but I am a realist. I am a little bitty 120 pound woman, I seriously doubt that I could beat the shit out of some huge asshole who may decide that he wants to attack me.

If a situation like this ever happened, I would much rather have my gun for protection.
 
how many times am I going to have to say this? Most people don't carry guns to kill people. Hell, most of the people that have guns don't even know how to shoot them or anything about them, they were probably their parents guns that they got when their parents died.

Just because someone has a gun doesn't mean they're blood thirsty and are just waiting for someone to say something to them so they can gut shoot them.

it doesn't work that way. Most people are way too scared of going to prison to even think of killing a man.


I grew up around men that carried guns just for the purpose of killing someone if the situation arised. (these men are not the norm in the U.S. this only happens at bars and such..and most of these men are in a prison right now..or dead.)

and the first thing these men will tell you is....never pull out a gun unless you plan on using it. And never rely on a gun, only a pussy does that. A real man will fight to solve a problem. (but only when words don't work...we all know some people don't respond well to words)
 
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Well, how about the question: Are guns more useful or harmful in the hands of "legit" owners? Legit I mean w/o violating the list someone here posted.

I mean, how many kids have been killed accidently? It's a reality, as my dad's friend's son accidently shot his friend in the head. Stupid? Yes. Does it happen? Yes.

What about the husband (or wife) getting into a fit of rage and killing the other?

Now, should guns be limited to places that are in danger? Like zones with high criminal activity? Or should it just be a free for all and let the gun-kill rate soar over 10,000 (although a hefty amount of that is due to gangs over drugs. damnit US.. won't you ever get any brighter?)
 
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