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Galant said:
banksy is a cunt, he went over a 25 year old robbo peice

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nolionsinengland/4199803487/
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thanks for posting flukes that was a good read and has given me some inspiration and graff to check out.
 
I really miss going out for a paint. Wish i had more friends that did it. I don't want to be reminded of my x which is probably why i havn't :-/
 
I got into graff last yr and have been fillin up blackbooks ever since, i have no idea how to go about progressin from there. Would love to learn can control etc, but will just b happy with keepin em on paper for now i spose.

ps. read up on Philly handstyles last yr, there some real good stories to go with them~
 
vurtomatic said:
I think I can only conclude that there's good graffity and shit graffity just as I think there's good art and shit art, so I'm biased and projecting my own taste onto what I see. Just like I think a lot of modern art is self-wanking crap that has more to do with networking, a good PR agent, and a good piece of rationale.

Re. the comparison with advertising billboards ... those are designated spaces (regardless of whether you think they deserve to be there), as opposed to graffiti that is done on any public surface, comments?

So if taggers find advertising so offensive, why not target billboards and cover them up? Why public surfaces?

Eg.

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Murakami liked it enough to have the billboard shipped back to his Japanese studio.

And re. the issue of 'taking back' the city or marking your presence ... what gives the tagger ownership of the public space? It's not like a property open to ownership, personal ownership. Eg. a tagger tagging a wall; but you don't see a white collar dude walking by, and slapping a sign saying he owns it.

Graffiti only seems valid in its illegality (there was a segment of the documentary on graffiti on canvas in art galleries), but what if all taggers were to live within a section of the city where they're free to continually tag and paint walls, but only within that area? In that context, I suspect people might have a lesser interest or passion for it because graffiti seems based on the act of rebellion.

It just seems like a zero-sum game. Taggers tagging, these self-righteous community activists painting over the walls, tracking down the taggers ... nobody wins, nobody loses, but a whole world of frustration, angst, and property damage.
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That murakami billboard is fantastic.

I have to add my voice to the chorus:
who owns public space?

what makes the difference between an art installation and a piece of vandalism?

My answer would be CERTIFICATION. definitely because i am a uni student, but I feel that graffiti writers need to accept that unless they reference their work (more on this later), then they are forced to accept it is vandalism.
I had a brief phase where i was writing graffiti in high school, but i knew full well i was vandalising things, even if i couldn't articulate WHY.

On referencing: a billboard, painting or art installation has a name and a date attached. In some way, the author can be identified and located. That's professionalism, and makes sure that the work of the author is serious, planned out and if it is good, it is genuinely good, and not just an accidental work of art.

Obviously a graffiti vandal can't attach their name and other details to an illegal work of street art - because they would be in trouble, but if that is going to change, it won't be through continued 'rebellion' through the scrawling of low quality, meaningless tag-scribble (i say this knowing full well that's exactly how others saw my tags, which is why i tried to avoid doing quick, scrappy work)

A change of attitude can only come if artists raise the standard of quality of spray can art to an art gallery level, and do it with authorisation at first, and slowly move it into public space. But at the same time, if graffiti art is to take over the streets, it needs to flush out and suppress tagging and ugly, unskilled works.

I know this thought might anger some people, but face it, every tagger thinks they are a hero, like their tag is unique, but if the quality of work is low, a master of visual communications university student, is indistinguishable from a drop-out tagging a rubbish bin, to the untrained eye of the general public and the politicians and law makers who you are trying to convince of the merit of graffiti in the first place, as they are the voters who will give you the numbers you need, to take graffiti from law-less-ness into the status quo.
 
I don't know about certification making something art. Art is just that... art. There's no rules to it. When it comes to graff though all writers have their own tag so they are claiming it under their own name so it is referenced really if you want to look at it like that. I don't think you can compare true graff art to writing your name on a desk in school. Sure the scribble is shit i agree, but most graff artists have real artistic talent.

studman - nice stuff. How can anyone say that's not art? Or is it cos it's on a canvas and not on a wall?
 
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ane-city-council/story-e6freoof-1225921335596

Graffiti artwork by Anthony Lister commissioned by property owner rubbed out by Brisbane City Council

BRISBANE'S anti-graffiti squad has been accused of illegally entering private property to paint over a commissioned mural by a world-renowned street artist.
New York-based artist Anthony Lister was last week commissioned to paint a 10m mural in a vacant lot in Fortitude Valley.

The piece took him two days but was "buffed" by Brisbane City Council's Graffiti Reduction Unit less than 48 hours later.
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...om-graffiti-cops/story-e6freoof-1225923049773

Street art to be saved from graffiti cops

BRISBANE City Council will launch a mural database to prevent commissioned street art from being painted over.
The announcement comes after council teams last week entered private property in Fortitude Valley to paint over a piece by world-renowned street artist Anthony Lister.
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^^No surprise it got wiped so quickly. I'm surprised the Vandal Newman piece lasted for so long. :\
 
I was a vandal in my youth. No bones about that. From around 1990 to 95 I rode the trains, trams and threw my tags up wherever I could. I loved bombing the shit out stuff, gave me an awesome feeling. I had no artistic talent. I tried painting a few pieces in my backyard and they weren't very good so I didn't dare try one in public, I stuck to tagging. But I knew people that were truly artists. I was a kid rebelling. Getting chased through carriages by gumbys... fuck them! I used to think...

I'm a Dad now. I live outside of Melbourne but get down every now and then to catch up with friends and family. The last time I was there I was stuck in traffic on Punt Rd , near the railway overpass, and my 3 and a half year old daughter was staring at a billboard for a brothel."What's that lady doing Dad? " she asked. I had no answer. What do you say ? FCUK ?

If my daughter grew up to be a graff artist it wouldn't be the worst thing in MY world.

Grabbed a good book the last time I was down..

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Would recommend it to anyone, young or old lol, with an interest in Melbourne criminal or otherwise. Though I do think that the Western suburbs artists don't get as much recognition as they should, still a great reference book.
 
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uTranceMe said:
I was a vandal in my youth. No bones about that. From around 1990 to 95 I rode the trains, trams and threw my tags up wherever I could. I loved bombing the shit out stuff, gave me an awesome feeling. I had no artistic talent. I tried painting a few pieces in my backyard and they weren't very good so I didn't dare try one in public, I stuck to tagging. But I knew people that were truly artists. I was a kid rebelling. Getting chased through carriages by gumbys... fuck them! I used to think...

I'm a Dad now. I live outside of Melbourne but get down every now and then to catch up with friends and family. The last time I was there I was stuck in traffic on Punt Rd , near the railway overpass, and my 3 and a half year old daughter was staring at a billboard for a brothel."What's that lady doing Dad? " she asked. I had no answer. What do you say ? FCUK ?

If my daughter grew up to be a graff artist it wouldn't be the worst thing in MY world.

Grabbed a good book the last time I was down..

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Would recommend it to anyone, young or old lol, with an interest in Melbourne criminal or otherwise. Though I do think that the Western suburbs artists don't get as much recognition as they should, still a great reference book.
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I flipped through this book (I'm pretty sure it was this one) and went straight to the CKA section, I thought it was pretty decent, though I did just flip through.
 
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bucketbill said:
I find it funny that some people on here, all of whom are presumably a part of the illegal drug subculture, can't open their minds to or try to understand another illegal subculture which has so many petty negative ties associated with it.

Some of you will lampoon the whole culture because certain idiots tag on peoples houses churches etc but would probably be outraged if someone were to blame drugs as a whole for someones ice fuelled rampage.

And fuck, without tags there wouldnt be pieces. You wouldnt believe how annoying it is to hear people saying "I like the big pieces, but hate those tags". The people who do pieces are the same people who do the tags, all started with that shit.

But then again some people like it, some people don't. Who gives a fuck?
Peace
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Fuckn oath, couldnt have said it better myself

eggman said:
That logic and rationality could also be applied to peadophile rings, gambling syndicates associated with dog fighting or home invaeders.

Could one just as quickly and easily say that people are narrow minded for not appreciating any so called positives coming from those illegal subcultures?
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I wouldnt consider them subcultures at all....
 
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