Graf

[felix]

not everyone wants to live in the 'ghetto' though, do they?

and having graffiti everywhere is one of those things that make the ghetto the ghetto.

nice to look at on a computer screen, but no way would i want it on the side of my house or on any buildings near me.

 

[doofqueen]

lacey - ok so bombs can be throw ups etc and not just tags - ok think i got it. But i don't think my pieces are bombs *cries* although i guess it only took me 30mins to do it and i'm learning so maybe i'm 'toy' What is your definition of 'toy' anyway just out of curioisity?

A burner i already know - have seen some really mad wicked burners - post some of your graf up? I'm especially keen to see girl graf

maz - as has been mentioned any TRUE graf ARTIST will not paint someones property. The ones that do are the ones that are giving the graf culture a bad name. It's all about saying "fuck you" to the government etc really thats why you see them on train lines and government buildings etc

I understand you don't like the vandalism side of it (i dont either) and i dont like all the tagging that goes with it (ie the scribble) so i agree with you but its there for a reason ... as also been said you don't understand what graf is actually all about. but you're saying that an illegal piece does not hold any artistic merit just cos its illegal? you're on a drug board and you do drugs and thats illegal yes? are you saying that art in general is only valid if it's done by following rules?

I don't know how to work that paint that you want me to do but i'm sure if you have a close look you can see that it says "take" now that you know what it says yeah? if not... then maybe you just don't like abstract art and thats fine but i dont think you should be so quick to diss something just cos you don't understand it and it's not to your taste

tango - yes they are legals my boy won't let me do illegals cos he says it's too addictive and he doesnt want me getting into any trouble Like i'm going to turn into some hardcore graffer chick anyway... i'm just giving it a go

Darthmom - thanks

 

[TALLY]

"Art is what you can get away with."

-Andy Warhol

 

[Khadijah]

lacey - ok so bombs can be throw ups etc and not just tags - ok think i got it. But i don't think my pieces are bombs *cries* although i guess it only took me 30mins to do it and i'm learning so maybe i'm 'toy' What is your definition of 'toy' anyway just out of curioisity?

If you practice that type of shit takes like 10 minutes or less to do depending on how big and how much fill you need on it. Keep tryin.

You been to The Lounge. Know how even when youre real cool and new there, and dont start stupid threads, and etc, you still get your "noob assraping?" LOL, Think of it as the same thing. A toy can be someone whose new, who sucks, who aint got much skills ,or even someone whose good, but you gotta put in your time and your work and pay your dues even if youre good . Basically somebody whose devoted and been doin their thing a long time gets their respect and you gotta earn it...Be as good as you want ,but you kinda gotta earn your non toy status IMO.

Anyways yea those are throwups. Like i said, bombing is just hitting up as much shit as possible and that is done with tags and throwys.

 

[MazDan]

maz - as has been mentioned any TRUE graf ARTIST will not paint someones property. The ones that do are the ones that are giving the graf culture a bad name. It's all about saying "fuck you" to the government etc really thats why you see them on train lines and government buildings etc

I understand you don't like the vandalism side of it (i dont either) and i dont like all the tagging that goes with it (ie the scribble) so i agree with you but its there for a reason ... as also been said you don't understand what graf is actually all about. but you're saying that an illegal piece does not hold any artistic merit just cos its illegal? you're on a drug board and you do drugs and thats illegal yes? are you saying that art in general is only valid if it's done by following rules?

I don't know how to work that paint that you want me to do but i'm sure if you have a close look you can see that it says "take" now that you know what it says yeah? if not... then maybe you just don't like abstract art and thats fine but i dont think you should be so quick to diss something just cos you don't understand it and it's not to your taste

Thanks for understanding, I knew you would.

Actually Felix put it really well in his post.

Nah i cant see the take at all........well maybe but I think Im having myself on.

Maybe this will help you to understand what is art and what is NOT art.............The definition of a weed is any plant.......note......ANY plant, that is not growing where it is wanted.

Hence the worst weed in the world is not a weed if its wanted in that spot.

So I dont care if michelangelo comes over from america and paints the cistern schappelle all over a train...........its NOT art............its vandalism.

You drop a shit in an appropriate place, put a flag in it and call it art then im happy for you and i will stand back and admire it.


As for government property............sorry but thats MY property as well as yours and everyone elses and hence the same holds.


Finally, I love your little hearts and Im guessing its like your catch cry.........keep it cos it suits.

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

I find grey concrete and saturation advertising in every public space offensive too. I don't see why advertisers should have the right to invade my consciousness in such a way simply because they have the power of money, as long as that is allowed then graf has my full and wholehearted support. Art trumps our twisted and destructive modern concepts of property and ownership any day imo.

 

[tango]

I'm especially keen to see girl graf

I'm a girl !!

doofqueen you definitely improved a lot between your first piece and your second, it takes most people a lot longer than that!
Looks like nice paint as well, do you remember what brand you used?

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

........its NOT art............its vandalism.

so if some fascist government would take over the world and declare that art is now illegal, does that mean that for you, in your view of the world, that all you have, your books, painting, music....would not be art anymore ?

__________
sorry but here come the rant...

i mean how the fuck can it be related in your views?


lots of book have been burn....
lots of artist have died for their art...
how about chocolate jesus, porno bush,.. there use to be a time when the church was the law...

the best "art" i have ever seen was on lsd, it was all in my head.. but lsd is illegal
does that mean that when you trip you don't value your experience or.... well i don't know, doesn't seems to make any sense to me just like graf doesn't seems to make any sense to you...

one in my town (vieux québec)
i suppose its a legal "Burner"
(i didn't took the picture, there is some better one too)

Anyway for my part i don't see how art can be anything else then subjective, but so is everything including subjectivity..

Hence the worst weed in the world is not a weed if its wanted in that spot.

so its not weed when its in my pipe ??
ceci n'est pas une pipe ???

but really its wanted there by some and not by other, are you saying money and power are the one who decide if its art or not ?
i think artist should decide what is art, the public should decide what is art, and we should all have different views on it, cause if we would end up defining what exactly is art, well, then i think it wouldn't be art anymore

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[MazDan]

ninja............and anyone else who disagrees with me.

Simply answer this question........... Is it acceptable for some random person to paint art on your personal belongings?

Of course its not.

And anyone who argues that it is, is simply being an ass. That is fact.

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

Simply answer this question........... Is it acceptable for some random person to paint art on your personal belongings?

you mean without my permission ?

and how is this related to what is art ?

 

[QuestionEverything]

Art isn't always acceptable. Art isn't always legal. Hell, art can come on a napkin, on the side of a building, on your body, on the bathroom wall in the dive bar on the corner.

Does a poem cease to be a poem because it's scribbled on the side of a building with a sharpie or on the top of a desk at a school? It still is what it is, whether you choose to see that or not.

P.S. - I'm not arguing that to be an ass.

 

[wizekrak]

There are two issues here. Issue the first: is it art.
Answer: it's art to anyone who thinks it's art.

Issue the second: Is it acceptable?
Answer (my opinion): Not if it's done illegally. It's an issue of respect for other people's property. If it isn't yours then don't mess with it. We're all members of society whether we like it or not. Personally I don't think it's right to vandalize public property. Advertisers pay a fee to the government to put up ads in public spaces, they aren't defacing the facade, it's sanctioned.

If you want to get a message out do it through legitimate channels, it will legitimize your message.

I enjoy art. But to me respect for other people's property trumps the need to deface. If you want to get your work seen talk to a building manager or government and ask for a permit.

 

[Evad]

I love graf, something a lot of my friends are into and I would be more if I was any good. Nobody I know paints on peoples property, it's all about council/government property, billboards and industrial land. None of which I find nice to look at in the first place. Yeah i'd be pissed off if someone did a shitty tag on my house but with any proper writers thats not how it happens. Here's a couple of pieces by people i know around my hometown, both next to the train tracks.

 

[IcebergSlim]

55 ft high, 250 ft. wide

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saber interveiw : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qergl1pGxOQ

 

[Khadijah]

ninja............and anyone else who disagrees with me.

Simply answer this question........... Is it acceptable for some random person to paint art on your personal belongings?

Of course its not.

And anyone who argues that it is, is simply being an ass. That is fact.

Yo as a writer I actually encourage peeps to tag on my shit and have a wall in the back of my house devoted to that where we all spraypaint and tag on it. That aint bein a ass, thats the gods honest truth.

Second , we repeated like 50 times already that it aint your personal possessions. The vacant building thats boarded up on the road aint your personal possessions. The parking garage aint your personal possessions. The train, the bus, the fence, the concrete wall, the plywood barrier, the traffic cone, the boardwalk, the mailbox, the traffic light, aint your personal possessions. They are public, and they might be owned by somebody, but the way youre takin offense to this is like somebody broke into your house and tagged on your bed sheets dude. Its ridiculous.

To be totally honest i love seein graffiti all around me. it dont offend or upset me at all. Its familiar to me, it makes my day more interesting, it dont make me feel like my quality of life is lower, it makes me happy to see and i like it alot, and that aint to be a wiseass its my true feelings on it. Maybe you cant understand how somebody would not be bothered by it, but I cant understand how you would not be bothered by certain shit you might do, so really if you cant understand that its your personal opinion there aint no help for ya.

 

[MazDan]

Im finished with the topic.

Im glad i dont live in america if thats the typical attitude. Sounds like the hole place is a ghetto.

Oh and I dunno what ghetto means over there but here in Australia it means dump.

 

[Khadijah]

Ok dude. One less hater.

 

[JV]

i love looking at graffiti, and i wish i was artistically inclined.

i would like to get a tattoo of a word in graffiti but like i said i cant draw and cannot get ahold of somebody i know that tags. if any of you are really bored and would like to draw up the word 'empty' and send it my way it would be appreciated... :D

/end shameless request.

 

[mariacallas]

wow that is amazing

I love trompe-l'œil.....check out this cool Mountain Dew advertisement in Union Square, NY...

Sorry..carry on.

 

[DarthMom]

to answer your questions maz, if someone paints that on my own fucking loved and well cared for and adored house, i will clap. and clap loud.

so yes, it is subjective. where you do it and what you do. but don't dare tell another something such as that isn't art.

but then again, it isn't done on homes, is it?

Sounds like the hole place is a ghetto.

no, the whole of america is not a "ghetto" and it is absolutely ignorant to make that assumption.



again, the bullshit tags you see mostly are yes, "ghetto" and "tacky" and "annoying" but don't throw art into the same class as trash.