Going to Jail - Need to get massive.

[VictorZ06]

Krieegs, I appreciate you coming out and acting more like a gentleman. Having said that, I'll try and help you the best that I can. BUT...we need more information. Please read the rules and guidlies...we need to know ALL your stats. I wouldn't normally suggest a 22 year old hitting the juice, but your situation is a bit different. Find out if you will have a gym to use. We also need to know when will you begin your sentence, this way we can count and see if you have enough time to run a proper cycle along with enough time to run a proper PCT. You don't want bitch tits in prison, as Bubba will probably want to play with them.

As mentioned above, your fellow inmates will smell the fear on you and you are sure to be taken advantage of. It's mind over matter that counts most....sometimes the biggest guys are also the biggest pussies. Post your stats (height, bf%, etc), and we will do what we can to point you in the right direction. Good luck.



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[VictorZ06]

And while on the topic of jail...

America, land of the free and home of the brave!

LOL, that's not fair...most are in Arizona and are NOT Americans! Land of the free and home of the brave....this is not their home, so they are not free and far from brave. %) Kidding....somewhat.

Sorry for going OT.



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[flat line]

op - i spent a yr in the clink and it was the big guys that got the boots...every time. WAlk in with your chest out and a 5ft fag will stomp your shit.

best advise...mind your own, do not get involved with any drug trade in there...always leads to an ass beat. and stfu, look and listen b4 you speak. you do these things and your fine.

I promise you go in there and act like your a bad ass and you will be educated.

 

[muel65]

If you want the gear and time is abit of an issue, as you don't know when you may get sent down, I'd stick to a short ester such as test prop. Perhaps get some dianabol aswell.

 

[GlassAss420]

I'm with several of the guys in this thread, for a first time drug offense, non-violent, you prolly won't get sent to a max prison, so you'll be around a bunch of other druggies and other small time offenders, mostly non-violent, maybe assult n batterys, but not sociopathic murders and rapists.

You'll prolly be fine, i come accross as kinda weak and i did fine in a med-max wing in cook county jail, thats chicago's cityn lookup, was a lot of gangbangers but i was left alone 1 or two guys would bug me for some commisary and i was nice here and there with it but i never felt threatened out of anything, just good to help out the guys who have no moms or family on the outs with $$.

Just be nice, but don't appear weak, play cards with the fellas and you'll be fine, its the monotany that kills you more than anything.

 

[psood0nym]

And no you fucking twat - my biggest concern is not getting fucking raped.

It should be possible to put on at least 20 or even 30 pounds of muscle in two months using steroids. Concentrate on the upper body, especially the neck, since it's something everybody will see all the time. You'll probably lose most of your muscle gain inside if you can't continue steroids, but that's not quite as bad as it seems since if anyone is going to try to seriously fuck with you I imagine it'll probably be soon after you first go in.

In addition to having a lot of muscle -- and I say this in all seriousness -- if you want to avoid being raped do everything you can to look repulsive. Smear lard on your skin to maximize the acne you'll probably get from roids. Shave the top of your hair off if you have it so you look bald and older. Grow a scraggly beard and squirt propecia up your nostrils and all over the back of your neck.

Being exceptionally ugly may honestly be as effective in avoiding prison rape as being massively muscular. Rape in prison is more about power usually, it's true, but even in that case dudes have still got to be less likely to fuck an ogre.

 

[benson7]

OP - I think you need to approach this from a different angle.

Did you see that Louis Theroux feature on tough American prisons? There were cross dressers in there, you know weraring make up and skirts and that, and they were treated like Gods by the inmates. Proper rock star treatment.

 

[maakshif]

It should be possible to put on at least 20 or even 30 pounds of muscle in two months using steroids. Concentrate on the upper body, especially the neck, since it's something everybody will see all the time. You'll probably lose most of your muscle gain inside if you can't continue steroids, but that's not quite as bad as it seems since if anyone is going to try to seriously fuck with you I imagine it'll probably be soon after you first go in.

In addition to having a lot of muscle -- and I say this in all seriousness -- if you want to avoid being raped do everything you can to look repulsive. Smear lard on your skin to maximize the acne you'll probably get from roids. Shave the top of your hair off if you have it so you look bald and older. Grow a scraggly beard and squirt propecia up your nostrils and all over the back of your neck.

Being exceptionally ugly may honestly be as effective in avoiding prison rape as being massively muscular. Rape in prison is more about power usually, it's true, but even in that case dudes have still got to be less likely to fuck an ogre.

are you joking? There is no possible way you are going to put on 20-30 lbs of muscle in 2 months steroids or not...this is all horrible and extremely ignorant advice imo

 

[psood0nym]

^No, not at all. I had never been able to gain weight during my early twenties. Then when I was 21 I tried dianabol and winstrol for one month and put on 12 pounds. I lost it all despite working really hard to keep it over the next few months so I said fuck steroids (I was motivated by curiosity more than anything, really). I'm no expert on steroids, but if someone like me, who has difficulty gaining weight, can gain 12 pounds in a month using a couple of oral steroids, going to the gym five times per week, and eating a lot, why would I have to be "joking" to imply it's possible to put on 20 or 30 pounds in two months for someone who probably doesn't have as hard a time putting on weight as me?

I'm struggling to make sense of your reaction. The OP says he's going to use steroids and that he doesn't want to be raped or fucked with in prison. Being big muscular and ugly is a good way to prevent such things. Given that the OP is going to use these drugs regardless, what exactly is horrible about my advice?

 

[squatlover]

First off, bad luck, and I hope you don't go to jail for something that was legal a year ago (drugs laws are stupid imo). How did you get caught if you don't mind me asking?

You're best of learning how to fight in those few months as well as get bigger. In fact I think its a primary aim. Krav maga, ju-jitsu. If anything it will give you confidence - more confidence that 10-20 pounds of extra bulk. You'd be surprised how little being strong matters in fights, and how knowing what you are doing is worth a lot more.

Not that I am saying it will come down to fighting/rape - I think that kind of thing is overreported in prison, but there will certainly be a lot of agro, and a lot of fear until you get settled in. As long as you can stand your ground, not get bullied, after a few weeks things will settle down to boredom, and you'll be able to avoid trouble easily.

If you act weak, look weak, and give in, then you will be in trouble, otherwise you should be fine.

Any questions just ask.

 

[maakshif]

^No, not at all. I had never been able to gain weight during my early twenties. Then when I was 21 I tried dianabol and winstrol for one month and put on 12 pounds. I lost it all despite working really hard to keep it over the next few months so I said fuck steroids (I was motivated by curiosity more than anything, really). I'm no expert on steroids, but if someone like me, who has difficulty gaining weight, can gain 12 pounds in a month using a couple of oral steroids, going to the gym five times per week, and eating a lot, why would I have to be "joking" to imply it's possible to put on 20 or 30 pounds in two months for someone who probably doesn't have as hard a time putting on weight as me?

I'm struggling to make sense of your reaction. The OP says he's going to use steroids and that he doesn't want to be raped or fucked with in prison. Being big muscular and ugly is a good way to prevent such things. Given that the OP is going to use these drugs regardless, what exactly is horrible about my advice?

most of the weight gained, especially from dbol, is water weight which is the reason you lost most all of it...I've been in the steroid lifestyle for well over 10 years, not an expert by any means but I am pretty knowledgeable and can guarantee you that it is pretty much impossible to gain 20 to 30 lbs of muscle in 2 to 3 months...it's not impossible to gains 20-30 lbs, but the majority of that is going to be water and/or fat...7-10 lbs of muscle is realistically what can be gained in that amount of time

as for the rest of your post, if guys are going to rape and fuck with you, there is very little you are going to be able to do to stop them...they aren't going to care what you look like, or how big you are, or how much of a bad ass you are/think you are...honestly being bigger is likely to get you fucked with a lot more, simply because they are going to have the numbers advantage and going to want to show you that your size doesn't matter...putting propecia up your nose is very very dangerous and potentially fatal

 

[psood0nym]

Alright then. My apologies. I didn't realize steroids caused so much water weight to be gained. I thought that was what creatine did, not steroids. Also, putting a topical hair growth formula inside your nose in order to grow long nostril hair and look less attractive to prison rapists could be fatal? Really?

 

[That-Strange-Guy]

Eat lots, and get LOTS of sleep. (sleep is when your muscles repair and rebuild. VERY VITAL)

If you train too hard you will get nothing but torn muscles and injure yourself.
Take time to perfect your form. Don't kill yourself trying to lift 300 pounds 8 times because if you can't do smooth controlled reps you are wasting your time and you won't gain shit.

Eat till you puke and then eat more.
peanut butter
fish
red meat
nuts
pasta
protein shakes
creatine
Whole milk with everything you eat.

I can't tell you much more from here. Training to get stronger has a different routine than training to get bigger.

If I was in your shoes I would be working towards endurance, some big men get tired easily and you just have to lock horns with them long enough to wear them down.

I'm a small guy (145 pounds @ 5'10) and I have been in various martial arts from 5 years of age, I was also in boxing and the military, I was always able to compete and hold my own against the big guys. Just be smart and you'll do fine.

(Also if you do get in a fight keep your chin down and your eyes up. A good hit in the chin is lights out.)


Also if you have a close friend seriously let him beat you senseless a couple times a day (within reason). Learn physically and mentally how to get hit and keep your balance. It may also toughen up some of your softer chubby areas. (recommended with light sparring gloves)

 

[maakshif]

Alright then. My apologies. I didn't realize steroids caused so much water weight to be gained. I thought that was what creatine did, not steroids. Also, putting a topical hair growth formula inside your nose in order to grow long nostril hair and look less attractive to prison rapists could be fatal? Really?

yes it can be...topical formulas are intended for use on the outer skin/scalp only...if you were to put it in your nose it is going to cause much more to be absorbed at an increased rate which can lead to much more severe side effects including death

sorry for the following rant in advance and this isn't aimed directly at you psood, but your posts are a good example, so please don't take this too personally.

Posts made by guys that have ran very few cycles and done very little research and assume that because they had certain things happen when they used certain steroids assume they know how steroids work now. This is how so much misinformation and bad advice and public hysteria get spread around. Steroids are not magic pills and solutions. Steroids are not going to put 20-30 lbs of muscle on you in a short amount of time. The body simply won't allow that. Diet, training, genetics are the biggest determining factors on just how well you will gain, steroids are nothing more than super supplements that when used are there to supplement diet and training. Please continue to share experiences as they are very much warranted and needed as we all will react differently to every steroid/steroid cycle, but please try to refrain from giving advice unless you have done research and can back up your claims with more than just your personal experience. It is best to know how individual steroids/compounds work, how the body functions, diet, training, etc. Obviously there is a ton of information to consider and nobody is going to be an expert in everything, but it is good to have a solid base of knowledge about each of these subjects.

Again sorry for the rant, but this site/forum is supposed to be about harm reduction and I've seen a lot of ridiculous posts that have some very dangerous information included in them. I take this lifestyle very seriously and don't want to see anybody get wrong information that can potentially kill them if they follow it and believe me there is plenty out there.

Victor, I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds, but I felt this needed to be said.

 

[VictorZ06]

yes it can be...topical formulas are intended for use on the outer skin/scalp only...if you were to put it in your nose it is going to cause much more to be absorbed at an increased rate which can lead to much more severe side effects including death

sorry for the following rant in advance and this isn't aimed directly at you psood, but your posts are a good example, so please don't take this too personally.

Posts made by guys that have ran very few cycles and done very little research and assume that because they had certain things happen when they used certain steroids assume they know how steroids work now. This is how so much misinformation and bad advice and public hysteria get spread around. Steroids are not magic pills and solutions. Steroids are not going to put 20-30 lbs of muscle on you in a short amount of time. The body simply won't allow that. Diet, training, genetics are the biggest determining factors on just how well you will gain, steroids are nothing more than super supplements that when used are there to supplement diet and training. Please continue to share experiences as they are very much warranted and needed as we all will react differently to every steroid/steroid cycle, but please try to refrain from giving advice unless you have done research and can back up your claims with more than just your personal experience. It is best to know how individual steroids/compounds work, how the body functions, diet, training, etc. Obviously there is a ton of information to consider and nobody is going to be an expert in everything, but it is good to have a solid base of knowledge about each of these subjects.

Again sorry for the rant, but this site/forum is supposed to be about harm reduction and I've seen a lot of ridiculous posts that have some very dangerous information included in them. I take this lifestyle very seriously and don't want to see anybody get wrong information that can potentially kill them if they follow it and believe me there is plenty out there.

Victor, I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds, but I felt this needed to be said.

Maakshif, I'm with you 100%. There is nothing I hate more than having clueless people give bad/harmful/dangerous advice....especially to young teens. You hit every nail on the head in this thread bro. My hat comes off to you.

Sure, one can put on 20-30 lbs. in a few short months....but is it LBM? Hell no, it's all water like you said. Now, there are ways using insulin, hgh, igf, and AAS that can make you explode with true LBM granted you train and diet correctly. Following such protocols can be lethal, and in no way suggested for a beginner to follow. Thanks for making my job here easier bro, you know your shit. %)


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[psood0nym]

yes it can be...topical formulas are intended for use on the outer skin/scalp only...if you were to put it in your nose it is going to cause much more to be absorbed at an increased rate which can lead to much more severe side effects including death

sorry for the following rant in advance and this isn't aimed directly at you psood, but your posts are a good example, so please don't take this too personally.

That's fine. If what I said about something I make no special claims of knowledge about is pointed out to be ignorant I'm happy to learn something new. I do have to say though, technically, by the admission of others more knowledgeable in these areas than me, the guy could still get the appearance of what he wants using steroids. The way he describes it, it sounds like it would help his confidence simply to look bigger right as he went in. The fact that it's not real muscle and that he could not maintain the weight is of secondary concern to his intention to make an intimidating first impression. Whether or not doing this in prison will have the effect he desires is debatable, but regarding the question of the quality of my advice, ignorant or not, it doesn't look to be half as catastrophic as you've presented it as.

Also, I can find nothing about Propecia (finasteride) causing death. I see stuff about prostate cancer and erectile dysfunction but nothing so extreme as death. Of course this is all sort of silly and the nostril hair thing was made in jest, but again, technically, the inside of the nose where hair grows is not the mucus membrane where substantially more of the drug would be absorbed, plus we were only talking about 2 months of application so any purported bioaccumulative effects would be minimal.

 

[Provoke]

that bold underlined part in your quote...that is all that is going to help you honestly...steroids are not going to do much for you at this point imo...they aren't magic pills/solutions that are just going to dramatically change your physique overnight...as for legal supps; protein, creatine, multi-vitamin, fish oil, joint supplement are all great to take

you have 2 choices:

1) lose the weight/fat you are carrying
2) build muscle and get "massive"

you aren't going to do both at the same time and especially not in a few months, both goals take lots of time and dedication

btw, you don't supplement steroids with diet and training, you supplement diet and training with steroids

Oh he can ^_^. If he does it 8 hours a day he can get ripped in 4 weeks.

 

[maakshif]

That's fine. If what I said about something I make no special claims of knowledge about is pointed out to be ignorant I'm happy to learn something new. I do have to say though, technically, by the admission of others more knowledgeable in these areas than me, the guy could still get the appearance of what he wants using steroids. The way he describes it, it sounds like it would help his confidence simply to look bigger right as he went in. The fact that it's not real muscle and that he could not maintain the weight is of secondary concern to his intention to make an intimidating first impression. Whether or not doing this in prison will have the effect he desires is debatable, but regarding the question of the quality of my advice, ignorant or not, it doesn't look to be half as catastrophic as you've presented it as.

Also, I can find nothing about Propecia (finasteride) causing death. I see stuff about prostate cancer and erectile dysfunction but nothing so extreme as death. Of course this is all sort of silly and the nostril hair thing was made in jest, but again, technically, the inside of the nose where hair grows is not the mucus membrane where substantially more of the drug would be absorbed, plus we were only talking about 2 months of application so any purported bioaccumulative effects would be minimal.

these are the types of things that I'm talking about...steroids DO NOT and will not give the appearance he is looking for, it might give the placebo effect he wants, but hell if you just want a placebo inject sterile grapseed or cottonseed oil or ethyl oleate labeled as test or deca...diet and training will give that appearance, if done properly...all steroids are going to do is supplement those two things...I understand that the OP is planning to follow a "hardcore" diet and training regime, but planning and doing it and sticking with it are totally different...pro bodybuilders don't even really have the genetics to do what he is planning, at least not when they first get/got started, and those guys put ridiculous amounts of time and science behind what they do, years not just a couple of months...quite frankly from what the OP has stated, with his limited workout experience he is very unlikely to have the muscle memory to just hop into a hardcore routine and get his body to respond accordingly...I have a feeling that he is going to attempt something that leads to serious overtraining especially if steroids are used, because while steroids aid in muscle recovery, they do not aid in the recovery of the CNS and CNS recovery is paramount for the body to grow and function

as for the propecia or any topical hair growth formula, as I mentioned it is intended for external skin/scalp use...most everyone of them say to seek immediate medical attention if it gets in your nose or if you breathe in the fumes...it will only take a small amount being "sucked" up your nose while breathing to cause serious problems...and yes death, while very few if any cases are reported, is a problem that it can cause...there probably aren't any reported cases because nobody has been dumb enough to try it or if they were and died or experienced serious sides, something else might have been reported as the cause of death or the side effects

Oh he can ^_^. If he does it 8 hours a day he can get ripped in 4 weeks.

actually no still...if he were to do that his body would just simply breakdown from overtraining and insufficient rest to recover....during rest is actually when the body grows...while working out we are actually breaking down our muscles and tissue

 

[tomber]

Well I've worked out for years (no steroids lol...but then again I wasn't going to prison) and you can defiantly make a difference in your body strength in that time. Too bad you don't have more time but hopefully the roids will make up for that. I have never been to prison but goodluck. Maybe you can sneak roids in? Idk what prison you are going to but if you have friends from the outside maybe you can set something up beforehand. Not the best advice I now but prison just sucks all around.

 

[VictorZ06]

Well I've worked out for years (no steroids lol...but then again I wasn't going to prison) and you can defiantly make a difference in your body strength in that time. Too bad you don't have more time but hopefully the roids will make up for that. I have never been to prison but goodluck. Maybe you can sneak roids in? Idk what prison you are going to but if you have friends from the outside maybe you can set something up beforehand. Not the best advice I now but prison just sucks all around.

Getting injectable shit in prison is VERY hard, or so I've been told. Sure, you could score some dbol, adrol, etc., but I don't see the point if you can't inject test.


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