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A stylist told me that if i continued using my henna hair care, my dyed color will be 'pushed out' by the henna molecule because it is bigger than the hair dye molecule. True?????
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I've never heard this before -- but what I DO know is that henna, even just neutral henna in shampoos, is very alkaline whereas traditional hair dye is very acidic, so it's very likely that using any type of henna product at all will fuck up your hair colour/change the shade in a bad way.

That's one thing that is very important -- never mix regular hair dye and henna -- you generally have to not do anything to your hair for at least 6 months before using henna if you have been dyeing your hair or vice versa.
 
they had no problem dying my hair even though i had been using the henna hair care for 6 months, so why is henna seen as so bad? it didn't do anything bad for my hair. Where is everyone getting their knowledge of henna's functions? cuz i can't find shit pertaining to my question.

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Re: Henna

misscelestia said:
We just covered henna today in class - oh, the irony! ;)

Henna has large colour molecules that coat the hair shaft, making it impossible for any other chemicals to penetrate the cortex. Removal of henna is pretty involved, but you would need to remove it before you proceed with any other chemicals, due to the severe coating action of henna.

As far as using henna over your already colour treated hair, it probably isn't a big deal, as it is just coating your colour with another colour, and basically enhancing it. Ultimately, the reason henna gets a bad rap is the removal. Short of colouring your hair a darker shade then the henna, you're looking at about an hour long removal process with some pretty harsh chemicals.
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i used neutral henna, and the red hair dye they put on my brown hair went on JUST FINE.......so how can henna not allow other chemicals to penetrate if the dye had no problem passing through the henna on my hair?

What makes henna so hard to remove compared to other hair dyes?

So if i want to go lighter, the henna is going to be a problem? how can anyone even tell if you have henna in your hair?
i am confused with this controversy about henna and how no one seems to be specifying if they are using neutral or colored henna.

I don't want my JASON NATURAL henna hair care to go to waste, but i also don't want to disbelieve this stylist when he says the henna molecule will push the hair dye molecule out because i totally want to preserve my color.

fucking cosmetics industry and the lack of truth in it!
 
it was only 2 days since my last use of henna hair care to when i got my hair dyed red. so i don't think it washed out completely.

also, last year i got blonde highlights, and was still using the same henna hair care. No negative effects happened before the bleaching or afterwards, and was using henna before and after.
So i wonder what type of henna would be a hard removal process?
 
km267 said:
did you see my post? neutral henna isn't the same thing, at all, as red henna. it's actually a plant called cassia, and i bet it doesn't have the same chemical properties at all when it bonds to your hair.
it's definitely the RED henna that makes for a hard removal process.
p.s. all of those different colors of so-called henna color that you can buy- they are just different mixtures of henna, cassia, indigo, and other stuff like chamomile or walnut powder. pure henna only dyes hair red (or orange if you're blonde to begin with).
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The henna listed on the hair care i refer to is by JASON Natural and states it is ONLY" lawsonia inermis henna" it does not say it is mixed or it is cassia. If it is why it not just say that?
you are right though http://www.hennaforhair.com/faq/cassiaobovata.html
They are wrong and have mislead me......

mariposa420-there is a lemon chamoimille color series by JASON....also there's a similar product by another organic line that is sold at natural stores called Shikai i think. Both have what you are looking for. Why is acidic shampoo good? Aveda's chamomille also is sulfate free like the rest of them. I don't think Aveda is that great and they certainly aren't organic, yet ironically cost more than organic lines. Simpson's hair looks just like pam anderson's and anna nicole smith, which to me is ugly and fake.
http://www.jason-natural.com/products/color_enhancing.php
 
Burt's Bees:

Does anyone use this stuff. I got a Sample Kit for christmas and have been using the Citrus Scrub and the Citrus Cleanser. It actually makes my face feel a lil waxy until i dry it off, but it really has been cleaning my skin nicely. and it feel SOOO smooth. i was surprisingly impressed. I also love their lip balm and milk and honey lotion.. :D

Another product i love (tho i hear it's expensive is BLISS' (a spa in NY) line of bath stuff. I got a huge kit of a giant lotion, body wash and scrub. Almond and Bergamont. I LOVE LOVE LOVE IT. it smells great.. and it leaves all of my skin so smooth. the lotion is so good (and since you put it on while you are wet so the TINYEST drop drenches your whole body.

The scrub/bodywash is awesome to use before you shave your legs... i can't even begin to tell you how smooth i feel after that :D:D:D:D:D
 
fairnymph said:
I think Simpson's hair looks WAY better than most celebrity blondes.

Jason isn't very natural either, btw.
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Actually they're organic, which is better. Natural is not a legally regulated term, so in what way are you using it against them? they have a disclaimer on their products talking about the differences so i have no idea what you are referring to....they are the most organic full-menu line i've ever seen.
all of their ingredients are 70% or more organic guaranteed, in all of their products -hair, teeth, skin, etc.
What line can boast that? other lines like 'kiss my face, alba' ...barely have 50% organic in all of their products.

i don't understand this appeal in simpson at all; she has the paris hilton hair every long haired blonde has.
 
No, her hair is much nicer than Hilton's IMO.

I specifically meant that Jason is not 'natural', which you are correct, is a bogus term anyway. Who cares if it has 70% organic ingredients, when it has foul nasty preservatives, i.e. the parabens, and harsh evil sulfates?

Kiss My Face and Alba also contain lots of unpleasant chemicals.

Some nature's gate and some avalon products are relatively okay. There's also a new brand called 'earth science' that is good. Burt's Bees and Aubrey's are good for the most part too.
 
^^where are you reading your labels?! jason hasn't used parabens for 3 years, and that's just an estimate because i've only known them for 3 years, and all of their cleaners -pastes, shampoos, don't have sulfates. They even say right on their along with their disclaimer they are sulfate free on front AND back of product.
A good article about the truth on sulfates, btw:
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/learn/article.asp?PAGETYPE=ART&REFER=SKIN&ID=50

I for one care plenty about organic ingredients, i don't know who would not care. Given the option, would you be one to choose organic corn over genetically modified corn to feed your family? i sure hope you would. Same goes for hair/skin products. Burt's makes limited products as do the other lines, they can't compare to Jason. Full-menu lines like Jason are rare, as is your misconception of them, because they are by far the most outstanding line in terms of full-line organic products available. I haven't studied a line that compares to them yet.

Show me a full menu hair care line that doesn't use sulfates like Jason and uses organic ingredients to boot; they are very few if any at all.
 
A Jason shampoo with sodium myreth SULFATE: http://www.vitacost.com/JasonShampooNatural

Another Jason shampoor, with SM SULFATE and PARABENS:
http://www.folica.com/Jason_Damage_Co_d152.html

Jason body washes contain SMS as the second ingredient.

Etc.

Some individual Jason products may be alright (I've used one of their toothpastes before), but overall as a company they aren't rigid enough for my liking.

I do care about organic ingredients, but I care more about parabens and sulfates. I'd rather have a product not made with organic ingredients, but entirely free of parabens and sulfates, then some of these Jason products.

However there are definitely products that don't have parabens and sulfates, and do have mostly organic ingredients -- these are the products I use.
 
that sulfate is not the same as the others, ironically. ive never even seen reports on similar-sounding sulfates by any watchdog group. So if Jason is saying they are sulfate free, but then have a sulfate-sounding ingredient, there has to be a difference. They must not be alike. I will probably ask them what this difference is and why they sound so much alike if they are so different.
After reading that article by paula, why do you think sulfates, which are really just skin irritants to those who are sensitive, are so bad? Parabens are the one of the safest and benign preservatives to use for food and topical body care. Out of all the really bad ingredients out there, why do these ones hold so much weight to you?

Non-organic pesticide ridden/genetically modified ingredients are far worse than clinical (i.e, sterile) made preservatives, wouldn't you think?
Further, non-organic ingredients can be more of a skin irritant than the sulfates because of the amount of toxic pesticides used and other contaminants used in them as well.

So you'd rather have unclean ingredients with no preservatives, rather than super clean ingredients with extremely benign preservatives?
That's interesting, because i think 2 preservatives for 20 super clean ingredients is a healthier ratio than 20 dirty ingredients with zero preservatives.

What products do you use that fit the rigid quota you have?

the other shampoo with both ingredients is inaccurate for a few reasons, JASON hasn't used any parabents for 3+ years, i've never seen this product on the shelf at any store i go to, and in the description it
says:
This new formula does not contain Cocamide DEA or Laureth Sulfates. Without these ingredients you will find this shampoo to be extra mild with medium lather."

So unless you've done research to prove me otherwise,
Sodium Myreth Sulfate and Sodium Trideceth Sulfate are not in the same boat of controversy as the laurel sulfates.

The only products they sell are what's listed on their site. Many of these sites you find their products on have been off the shelf for years or are inaccurately labeled.

earth science isnt good either:
http://www.earthessentials.com/earthscience/es_main.html
 
fairnymph said:
There simply isn't any media uproar yet about the other sulfates. A sulfate is a sulfate. This is a chemical fact.

Clearly we have different definitions of 'extremely benign'.
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Eh, huh? I have no clue what your definition of benign is since you aren't telling me anything as to how you are coming to your conclusions about these products. I am not personally endorsing these ingredients, i am just telling you what i know about them. Now it is your turn.

the uproar about the sulfates, that is anything sulfate related, is mostly hype and has been for years. That's why no one is suing anybody over sulfate health problems. So when do you think this uproar is suppose to occur about this particular sulfate that hasn't already been occuring within the controversy about the other sulfates? anytime you say sulfate, people think they are one in the same. If this particular one was so bad, why would it not already be talked about since it is within the sulfate family? You said it yourself, it is that and that's a chemical fact. How could the media miss that?

I don't understand what you find so bad about them, and the parabens have been used safely in everything for over 50 years. What single incident can you point out where someone has suffered dire consequences from a sulfate or paraben? i am not endorsing either ingredient, i am just interested in knowing where you're getting your information from.
Likewise i am still interested in knowing:
Would you rather have unclean ingredients with no preservatives, rather than super clean ingredients with extremely benign preservatives?
That's interesting, because i think 2 preservatives for 20 super clean ingredients is a healthier ratio than 20 dirty ingredients with zero preservatives.

What products do you use that fit the rigid quota you have?
 
Does anyone know of any good moisturizer that will not clog pores? While my face is just right in the tropics, here in the US it is really dry. I do need moisturizers with all-natural ingredients (the spirit of the word, my friends) that is non-comedogenic and all that. My mom suggests Dr. Hauschka Normalizing Day Oil, but I want other opinions! THanks
 
^^Every dermatologist i've talked to says coconut oil, regardless of the form or type, clogs pores. I don't know why this is, does anyone? Even if you don't get clogged pores immediately, they still don't recommend using it at all.
Ironically, the Laurel/Laureth sulfates are usually derived from coconut oil.

I recommend anything by Paula's Choice.

misscelestia--that is true about certain sulfates but it is unclear if all sulfates perform the same action. Laurel sulfate is a dispersant and does strip color, whereas Myreth sulfate is a mineral-derived preservative used in certain JASON shampoos but not all of them and i've never heard of this particular sulfate doing anything controversial. This controversy specifically regards the Laurel/Laureth Sulfates and they are in most cleaning products. Myreth is not a commonly seen ingredient which leads me to believe it is different.

Why do you refuse to back up your facts, nymph? I'd like to know how you came to your conclusions that you are so adamant about. If you know more critical health info about this issue since you made a point to bring it up, and it seems like you do, i think it's important and expected that you'd share that.
 
KM, if you go to a salon they could shape your eyebrows for you without waxing. Especially if they are light as you say. The girl that does mine is still commenting on how she is waiting for my eyebrow to grow some hair! lol

Mine are really light and one has almost NO hair on the side... from some angles it looks like it's bald!

I use a regular angled Revlon tweezer, and sally henson(is that her name) after hair removal soothing lotion after i remove any hair from anywhere. I have really senstive skin as well. My eyebrows stay red for 3 days after hair removal no matter how i do it.

I usually upkeep with tweezing just the big hairs every two weeks... and every 2 months i get a wax so the girl can keep the shape up :)
 
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