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I was drinking every night whilst on them so prob didn't help much but after I got sober I tried again and they made my anxiety sky rocket!!......so now I take amytriptaline and get 14 2mg clonaz for very limited use which I manage on OK but with anxiety some days are worse than others so I try and ride it out instead of getting shit faced like I used too (I'm in alot better place now than I've ever been)
 
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Aye Citalopram with booze fucked with me a lot for the first month or so on it last time I started it again, and I was a fucking alcoholic at the time. Wasn't good, was blacking out and making an arse of myself. Want to go back on it cos OCD is getting worse and it really did help but the stuff always makes me so fucking tired for a couple weeks and I can't man it with work so CBT it is.
 
Cheers, I'm dreading it a bit cos I remember it being so exhausting but it worked really well. I know it's something you need to keep up with soooo...

Tired of today, had our car purchase fall through due to some drama at work that absolutely no one saw coming and which didn't involve me in the slightest (not that that's bad) so plans for next week have gone by the wayside buuuut hey, spare money.
 
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if you are on anti depressants you should really be staying away from alcohol anyway, and anything else that affects your mood
 
Saw this in the guardian today about CBT. There's a theory that as society evolves talking therapies becomes less effective.

The Guardian said:
What’s going on? One theory is that, as any therapy grows more popular, the proportion of inexperienced or incompetent therapists grows bigger. But the paper raises a more intriguing idea: the placebo effect. The early publicity around CBT made it seem a miracle cure, so maybe it functioned like one for a while. These days, by contrast, the chances are you know someone who’s tried CBT and didn’t miraculously become perfectly happy for ever. Our expectations have become more realistic, so effectiveness has fallen, too. Johnsen and Friborg worry that their own paper will make matters worse by further lowering people’s expectations.

All this highlights something even stranger, though: when it comes to talk therapy, what does it even mean to speak of the placebo effect? With pills, it’s straightforward: if I swallow a sugar tablet, believing it to be an antidepressant, and my depression lifts, then there’s a good chance the placebo effect is at work. But if I believe that CBT, or any therapy, is likely to work, and it does, who’s to say if my beliefs were really the cause, rather than the therapy? Beliefs are an integral part of the process, not a rival explanation. The line between what I think is going on and what is going on starts to blur. Truly convince yourself that a psychological intervention is working and by definition it’s working.

GuardianTeh said:
Perhaps every era needs a practice it can believe in as a miracle cure – Freudian psychoanalysis in the 1930s, CBT in the 1990s, mindfulness meditation today – until research gradually reveals it to be as flawed as everything else.

Or it could be that we’re changing as people. In 1958, a US psychoanalyst, Allen Wheelis, published a book arguing that Freudian analysis had stopped working because the American character had altered. In Freud’s day, Wheelis argued, people didn’t understand why they felt sad; psychoanalysis gave them explanations, whereupon they found it easy to transform their lives. Modern people were better at self-understanding, but they lacked the gumption to do anything about it. “Lacking the sturdy character of the Victorians,” as Roy F Baumeister and John Tierney put it in their book Willpower‚ “people didn’t have the strength to follow up on the insight and change their lives.”

The old techniques weren’t completely wrong; they’d just outlived their usefulness. If the secret of happiness is hard to find, maybe that’s because the answer keeps changing.
 
Citalopram didn't agree with me either. Was on my way home to catch the bus, called in to see my friend and his baby twin girls. Just changed my mind and went into the clinic around the corner. Made an appointment and he told me counselling would be many months so he gave me 20mg citalopram script. When I went for the follow up I told him that it may be placebo but I feel much better.

Two weeks later I had no idea what I was and ended up in hospital. Decided to just stop my script as it made me feel shite. I went through the bad brain zaps and mini-seizures. I just decided to deal with it myself. I'm not advocating people stopping taking their medicine. They told me I wasn't clinically depressed and the SSRIs just made me feel worse.
 
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