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Chippendale said:
But you've been on subs for a while right?

If you're switching from suboxone to subutex the only difference is that subutex hasn't got any Naloxone in it (which you'd only notice if you tried to inject the pills). Otherwise they're exactly the same!

edit: beaten by SM :o
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That's exactly my point. There's no naloxone in the subutex pills hence why im tire because I'm being affected by the buprenorphine more.

Evey
 
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More likely the booze after effects making you tired with your meds Evey, if you don't mind me saying - and the influence of other unhealthy behaviors, like bad food!
 
It makes no difference. Nalaxone is only added to stop IV users from abusing the bupe. It's inactive when swallowed and gets destroyed by first pass metabolism.

It has no effect, unless you cause it to have one.
 
Eveleivibe said:
I haven't drank bar last night n the holiday x

Evey
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Maybe that's what's having an impact - and a change in routine like a holiday with family. If that's stressful too it's going to play havoc with your moods and energy levels too.


Edit: Did I mention hormones, add that into the mix and ugg!




* looks for wind turbine to thrash about*
 
ScotchMist said:
It makes no difference. Nalaxone is only added to stop IV users from abusing the bupe. It's inactive when swallowed and gets destroyed by first pass metabolism.
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Moreover, the naloxone in Suboxone has no effect even when injected cos bupe itself has a higher receptor affinity so the naloxone never actually touches your receptors. It was only added as a token gesture to please ignorant Drugs is BAD, m'kay folk who can't comprehend the idea of opioid replacement therapy with no inherent punishment aspect to make it "unabusable". Suboxone and Subutex are, to all intents and purposes, identical in every way.

Excessive tiredness whilst on regular bupe scripts usually means you're taking too much, too little or (I would suspect most relevantly in this instance) inconsistent dosing so the body is bouncing back and forth from too much to too little over several days. And obviously booze will have an effect as it does with any and all opiates. I'd also wonder about doing masses of exercise with relatively little fuel for the body - fruit and veggies may be great but you'll need a fuckin' shitload to replace all the stuff that's been cut out like carbohydrates. Plenty enough for anybody to be feeling unusually tired, I'd say.
 
I eat meat too. I don't just eat fruit n veg lol.

And exercise is good. INSANITY gave me no issues in 2012.

I've been doing normally at 2.8 mg since Monday. I only took more last Sunday n Friday cause I was stressed n needed not to be emotional.

Evey
 
Ceres said:
ah the perfect solution to lose a bit of weight : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ractopamine
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fuck me. reading that made me glad I havent eaten animals for a long time. Just imagine all the other filth they get saddled with. rank

Leptin ... I need to get versed on it. How do I get my levels checked?

A fellow fatty hairdresser friend of mine mentioned it, and on a brief look, seems pretty relevant to weight and appetite management
 
yeah I can't imagine it's much fun being an adrenaline pumped farm animal, they must be permanently terrified. Good to see you around again btw!
 
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