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It should be b. caapi
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It should be b. caapi
Isn't the whole point of changa that it's got an MAOi base? Might as well just smoke DMT straight if not cos it needs the MAOi to turn it from a 10min rocketride to a 60min rollercoaster ride instead, no?
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
This stuff apparently also has an MAOi extract of some sort fused into whatever herb it is along with the DMT.
Should be this : 1:1 with 20x caapi leaf 20x black trueno vine 50x blue & white lotus blend with passion flower
Fuck knows what any of that means right enough but I'm guessing some of that stuff is the MAOi.
Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
yes, thats the point of changa, but from what people have said to me, the amount of maoi you ingest through smoking like that isnt enough to significantly affect the experience...
also, a lot of people don't use b caapi or another MAOI, it is often used now just as a transporter to make the smoking process simpler.
(i've never made or smoked changa)
Be interested to hear how this is, might be something worth doing, with the concentrated leaf extracts there's a good chance of getting the amount of MAOI's req'd to elevate the experience..
(although, again, this is only something I've heard doesn't the maoi actually take some time to take effect, and by the time it is working, the dmt effects have gone?)
also, a lot of people don't use b caapi or another MAOI, it is often used now just as a transporter to make the smoking process simpler.
(i've never made or smoked changa)
Be interested to hear how this is, might be something worth doing, with the concentrated leaf extracts there's a good chance of getting the amount of MAOI's req'd to elevate the experience..
(although, again, this is only something I've heard doesn't the maoi actually take some time to take effect, and by the time it is working, the dmt effects have gone?)
B. Caapi is ayawaska vine, blue lotus is a mildy "stoning" herb that's quite relaxing (bit like smoking very mild weed with a hint of benzo). Not sure what the rest is. There's as many recipes and blends as there are folk making the stuff - personal taste what you put in it really. As long as there's an MAOi + DMT in some form it's changa. Anything else is personal preference really. Have definitely heard of folk putting some kinda MAOi extract in there as I don't think the natural herb works that well smoked.
MM: AFAIK it's the extracted MAOi part that makes it actually work. And it definitely does appear to work unless very large numbers of people are somewhat deluded. MAOi + DMT lasts a few hours orally but only an hour or so smoked but it does work for that hour or so. If the MAOi wasn't absorbed at least partially there's no way you'd trip for an hour from one hit of DMT alone. Probably not the most efficient ROA but nice mid-range duration and apparently much gentler and easier to get a handle on that smoking DMT alone. Definitely on my ToDo list when I'm totally tram-free.
MM: AFAIK it's the extracted MAOi part that makes it actually work. And it definitely does appear to work unless very large numbers of people are somewhat deluded. MAOi + DMT lasts a few hours orally but only an hour or so smoked but it does work for that hour or so. If the MAOi wasn't absorbed at least partially there's no way you'd trip for an hour from one hit of DMT alone. Probably not the most efficient ROA but nice mid-range duration and apparently much gentler and easier to get a handle on that smoking DMT alone. Definitely on my ToDo list when I'm totally tram-free.
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Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
Yeah I've got to admit the only people I know who make or smoke changa just use leaf , and often not even maoi leaf...
This high extract leaf shizzle that crackhead's on about, I'm very interested, it's very easy to get hold of all that.
Fucking hell, I've been missing a trick here...
Thanks crackheed, Kenny, and Shambles
This high extract leaf shizzle that crackhead's on about, I'm very interested, it's very easy to get hold of all that.
Fucking hell, I've been missing a trick here...
Thanks crackheed, Kenny, and Shambles
Yup. For those with reasonably straightforward access to the necessaries (which is just about everyone with a bit of time & effort, really) it does seem like a bit of a no-brainer to at least knock up a batch in the interests of proper and thorough research and all that. Is only the DMT itself that's illegal (but fortunately not the stuff that one can extract it from) so any other ingredients should be pretty cheap and easy to lay hands on, I'd imagine. Must be fairly simple to whip up a batch if it even does the rounds out here in the sticks sometimes.
Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
yeah once you've got dmt changa is cheap and easy to make.
crackhead, have a quick blast and let me know what its like.
crackhead, have a quick blast and let me know what its like.
One minor issue with buying pre-mixed blends is that they can vary greatly in terms of potency. Some of the batches folk seem to blaze through several grammes in a day whilst other batches have just a weeny bit more kick to 'em. Is one of those things that I could imagine getting quite anal about perfecting your ideal blend if you get a taste for it. Kinda like home brewing and wine-making only prettier and without the hangovers
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
Can't the now. I will in the morning.
Because it lasts longer I take it it will have a cumulative effect? Like, if I don't get as wasted as I want to be after one hit I can just refill the bong & blast it again, aye?
This stuff sounds fascinating and something that would certainly credit a try.
Is it something that is hard to get hold of or can decent stuff be bought without too much hassle?
Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
Yeah, i think the MAOI duration is longer than the dmt, so certainly it should, I really don't know though, Ismene might know?
the dmt you'd have to extract yourself, or know someone who did it...you can buy the rootbark to extract the dmt from online, it's perfectly legal
the same places sell enhanced leaf onto which you put the dmt in solution, to make changa.
I have a cunning plan for my day off tomorrow now
Yup. Probably best to get any top-ups in reasonably soon after the first if it's not strong enough but peeps smoke it for hours at a stretch so presumably redoses work fine. It's quite moreish by all accounts.
mattnotrik
Bluelighter
Garnier closing with the prodigy out of space
boo ending, just getting started
boo ending, just getting started
Is this the stuff that can take your mind to other places or give you out of body experiences from just a lungfull or two?
I'm gonna have to do some research on this and the extraction process etc cos I could do with a new buzz to pass some of the boring days away.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this and the extraction process etc cos I could do with a new buzz to pass some of the boring days away.
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Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
I'll smoke dmt for hours at a stretch, in steadily increasing doses usually, there's a bit of "sober" time between hits, but it's more of a waaiting for my brain to reset enough to take the next hit...if I have an evening of it, it's prob every 45 mins or so on average...would be nice if the MAOI stops the peak and trough effect, and could level the whole thing out a bit more....
It's the most intense psychedelic I've ever tried, but I've not tried any of the new RC psychs...works instantly, you smoke as much as you can in one big go, and booooom, you're in lala land with bells and whistles and all sorts of odd things and patterns and fairground rides made of pastel coloured wax and circus freaks showing you where to go next, but don;t look that way, nooooo......
and 5 mins later you're back in the (now) very odd looking room wondering what went on and if you can, or even want to go back...and 10 mins later you're feeling pretty straight and shaking your head and laughing to yourself...
Ah! The famed "Circus" area of Spiceworld, eh Mr Monkey? Another one of them thar near-universal places people go visit with the Fey Folk.
It certainly is just about the most insanely visual psyche you could ever wish for is Deemz. First time you smoke it you know all about it
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It certainly is just about the most insanely visual psyche you could ever wish for is Deemz. First time you smoke it you know all about it
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Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
no, you'd need to live near a shop that sells it, or order it online...
there are a number of places that sell everything you need ingredients wise...
It's all legal.
extracted dmt is class A though.
but everything to make changa is legal, so you can buy all the enhanced leaf and stuff, you don;t need to do that yourself.
there are a number of places that sell everything you need ingredients wise...
It's all legal.
extracted dmt is class A though.
but everything to make changa is legal, so you can buy all the enhanced leaf and stuff, you don;t need to do that yourself.
farmaz
Ex-Bluelighter
Whats the difference between changa & salvia?........
sounds about the same from what I just read.
works instantly, you smoke as much as you can in one big go, and booooom, you're in lala land with bells and whistles and all sorts of odd things and patterns and fairground rides made of pastel coloured wax and circus freaks showing you where to go next, but don;t look that way, nooooo...... and 5 mins later you're back in the (now) very odd looking room wondering what went on and if you can, or even want to go back...
and 10 mins later you're feeling pretty straight and shaking your head and laughing to yourself...
sounds about the same from what I just read.
works instantly, you smoke as much as you can in one big go, and booooom, you're in lala land with bells and whistles and all sorts of odd things and patterns and fairground rides made of pastel coloured wax and circus freaks showing you where to go next, but don;t look that way, nooooo...... and 5 mins later you're back in the (now) very odd looking room wondering what went on and if you can, or even want to go back...
and 10 mins later you're feeling pretty straight and shaking your head and laughing to yourself...