Gibberings CXLVI: I've Seen Things, I've Seen Them With My Badgers

[NightsEpiphany]

hmmm NE that could blow any cobwebs away or send you loopier than a scatty scatterbrained badger.

I'll just have half or a quarter to begin with and make sure ive got a couple of valium just in case i turn into a freaky scatty, scatterbrained, badger ok?

Thankyou Brimstar I probably would have still had them here had you lot not offered such sensible advice.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

User Most Ill-Advised To Drop Anymore Acid:

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Acid_Ed! Cos you already had so damn much! How do you like THEM apples! Got you! You bastard!

id nomiante myself for that due to anxiety issues, i suppose if your feeling mentally strong then you can just sit back and say "bring it on, show me" otherwise its a roller coaster ride through hell.

 

[NightsEpiphany]

Totally see that mydrugbuddy. But a little nibble wont hurt. My psyche is pretty roller coasterish at times naturally but i'm going to give it some breaks ( eg valium) if It gets freaky.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I'll just have half or a quarter to begin with and make sure ive got a couple of valium just in case i turn into a freaky scatty, scatterbrained, badger ok?

its your brain, you can do whatever you want to it, i would just hate for you to become an acid casualty, but the valiums should provide some protection against that.

 

[Sammy G]

I have anxiety issues and acid treats me just fine.

And any 'hell' is always temporary. Can be a cleansing experience too.

 

[NightsEpiphany]

indeed G. Ive got a few loose ends from a recent high that i'd like to tie up too.

Ive actually done quite a lot of psychedelics mydrugbuddy ( im already an acid casualty 8() i'll be alright. Thanks for your concern though darling

Seriously, i'm just going to nibble a corner.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Ive been learning about Carl Rogers in my counselling course. He believes that anxiety is caused when there is a conflict between your own core beliefs and values and needs and the values and beliefs you have accumulated through social conditioning by significant others. If you can cast aside the values that arent yours then you are cured.

I cant quite get my head around it, i dont think ive understood it properly, at the moment im thinking its a licence to go round behaving like a fuckin psycopath, just doing whatever you want, thinking i dont have to subscribe to those values, they arent mine. Clearly i need to talk this through with my counsellor.

 

[Bearlove]

hey snolly (or bearlove for that matter) - ive always been interested in this. how many people you find attractive (in normal setting, i.e not gay club or whatever) do you have to sift through before you find someone similarly inclined?

or can you tell somehow?


is it a ubiquitous fantasy for gayfolk to 'turn' i.e seduce a straight person? or is that an awfully conceited, ignorant and cliche assumption of mine

I think it's maybe a bit easier for me as a woman, because a lot of otherwise straight women tend to be interested in girls to some degree. I don't think I've ever been with an entirely straight woman, so yeah it doesn't take much for me! Maybe it is some sort of innate gaydar, though. Strangely I find it harder if I go out to gay clubs with the intention to meet someone, as round our way they mostly seem to be the big dyke-y sorts that I'm really just not into. They love me, though

Women are (from what I gather) much more open to take flattering comments (come ons) from a woman than a guy is from another guy. Women says to women, wow thats a great outfit you look great/ have you just had your hair cut / great nails *edit* time to gauge reactions etc - say to a straight bloke, you look great in those jeans, just had your hair cut etc and it could quickly end in trouble.

When you crowd surf in a straight bar / club / mall etc you just know who is interested - from that crowd you pick the guy you fancy - you give him a smile, he smiles back and that's it basically.

In a gay bar - you can simply pick the person that ticks your boxes look wise, go over and say hi .

When 'your' in a bar how many people do you sift through before you think - yes! Yeah you would have probably seen a few other people that sparked interest but were not your type - same for me basically.

Some are not my 'type' but still cute / attractive etc.

No your not being cliche about turning folks - and its fucking annoying. Women will come onto me and I say sorry not interested I'm gay, they then do the 'you don't know what your missing' routine or moan on about how do you know if you have never had it etc. If I liked the look of a guy but thought he was straight - I would ignore him and move on.

Mind you ... I have had guys that I thought looked 100% straight that I would have missed come onto me / offer sex :D.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

do you like big muscely large framed guys, is that your type, judging by your screen name ?

 

[knock]

Ive been learning about Carl Rogers in my counselling course. He believes that anxiety is caused when there is a conflict between your own core beliefs and values and needs and the values and beliefs you have accumulated through social conditioning by significant others. If you can cast aside the values that arent yours then you are cured.

I cant quite get my head around it, i dont think ive understood it properly, at the moment im thinking its a licence to go round behaving like a fuckin psycopath, just doing whatever you want, thinking i dont have to subscribe to those values, they arent mine. Clearly i need to talk this through with my counsellor.

I don't know exactly what they're teaching you on your course, but I would take anything you hear at an academic institute about how the mind works with a pinch of salt.

I mean, take my social anxiety. I get anxious that people are going to be cunts to me. The reason I have that anxiety is that when I was a kid, loads of kids WERE CUNTS TO ME. And as an adult, I think my anxiety pays off quite a bit because there are CUNTS in the adult world too.

Do they teach you about that?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

No, this course is level 2, equivalent to an o level, so its pretty superficial, i want to get deeper into it. Im sure some of the theories could be usefull when properly understood. Ive allready got a degree in psychology but thats not directly relevant if you want to be a counsellor. I have to do another 3 years of study, and a year of volunteering if i want to do that. Im in no financial position to do that at the moment.

 

[Kronos]

Washer update just for you marmz :

Havn't done a thing since repiping it all, and it still wouldnt drain. Now its just there, will slowly festering water in the bottom, unable to drain and unable to unlock the door, tbh if i pulled it out and drained it into a pan or whatever i'm sure itd be okay, but i really can't be arsed atm, its a heavy fucker and i'm all out of meth , sorry not more exciting! Obligatory picture incoming:

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[knock]

No, this course is level 2, equivalent to an o level, so its pretty superficial, i want to get deeper into it. Im sure some of the theories could be usefull when properly understood. Ive allready got a degree in psychology but thats not directly relevant if you want to be a counsellor. I have to do another 3 years of study, and a year of volunteering if i want to do that. Im in no financial position to do that at the moment.

Did you skim read my post again? I just gave you the most superficial, but correct, analysis of anxiety. You won't find it by going "deeper".


Fucking hell it was only two or three sentences. Not a swarm wall of text :D

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Did you skim read my post again? I just gave you the most superficial, but correct, analysis of anxiety. You won't find it by going "deeper".

its correct in as much as it applies to you (and probably many other people with social anxiety issues). Carl Rogers was trying to find a theoretical universal answer that fits everyone. Maybe its all fuckin hokus pokus gibberings, as wide off the mark as Freud was. I have to find that out for myself, but i think he was on to something. Ive allready been able to rid myself of some gulit feelings during my counselling by discovering i wasnt bothered about values that id been socially conditioned to subscribe to.

 

[Mendo_K]

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"Ready to Wear" setting? Could basically bin my iron.

 

[lurching]

I don't know exactly what they're teaching you on your course, but I would take anything you hear at an academic institute about how the mind works with a pinch of salt.

I mean, take my social anxiety. I get anxious that people are going to be cunts to me. The reason I have that anxiety is that when I was a kid, loads of kids WERE CUNTS TO ME. And as an adult, I think my anxiety pays off quite a bit because there are CUNTS in the adult world too.

Do they teach you about that?

No, this course is level 2

ColorfulKronos' shiny clammy fist was, like, the punchline of that one

 

[knock]

its correct in as much as it applies to you (and probably many other people with social anxiety issues). Carl Rogers was trying to find a theoretical universal answer that fits everyone. Maybe its all fuckin hokus pokus gibberings, as wide off the mark as Freud was. I have to find that out for myself, but i think he was on to something.

Aye well, sounds like you understand me now anyway :D And no I wasn't saying my theory is a universal theory, but neither is Mr Rogers' is it? How do I fit in to that?

Also I would have to counter that there is no such thing as core values and beliefs that haven't come from outside me. Everything beyond my most basic instincts is a product of my interaction with other humans. I can lay claim to some of it, as I've spent time thinking about things, but by and large I have no original values or beliefs whatsoever*. So I think your Rogers guy can suck my cock.


* and I think people who think they do have more than a tiny handful, probably more like a fingerful, of original ideas in their heads are deluded. And there's no shame in it! The shame is in having a head full of contradictory values and ideas. And maybe that's where Mr Rogers and I agree, I don't think it's useful to have a headful of contradictory notions. But I'm not sure that it leads to anxiety, more just inconsistent behaviour.

 

[Sammy G]

I don't think I've ever been with an entirely straight woman

Me neither. Do they even exist? I'd hate to meet one. :D

If I liked the look of a guy but thought he was straight - I would ignore him and move on.

Yeah, a lot of my mincing twenties were spent going to non-gay nights in gay venues, and though the staff would make all sorts of 'twink' comments, none of them ever bothered with anything beyond mild flirtation, innuendo and encouragement to take my clothes off (I didn't need much to be honest).

Though maybe they just didn't fancy me.

Mind you ... I have had guys that I thought looked 100% straight that I would have missed come onto me / offer sex :D.

The type who in the morning make a big deal of saying 'it doesn't mean that I'm gay, right'?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Rogers believed that we are all born with an innate tendency to self actualise. This gets fucked up when we loose our own selves through the social pressures of having to please others. His theory doesnt account for the population of EADD who seem to be intent on self destruction, so maybe you'd better get your cock out for him lol. Except he died 20 years ago.

OK it seems there are massive flaws in his theory but there is some work to be done on sorting out my own values and all that.

 

[Bodda]

Yer, it was good to read that Bodda, nice one. Good luck with it, and hope you manage to keep the momentum up

Thanks
I was away from here for a while trying to get my fetid habit under control, nearly there too (thank God)