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Gibberings CVII - Bubbles are Comforting

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I have no issue with weed or indeed my real love, hash, it's the unfortunate link to tobacco that I'm not prepared to go back to.

Whilst I have known people who smoke weed and not tobacco they have been in a very small minority, I think tobacco must be the shittiest drug I've ever encountered.
 
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atm23 said:
I have no issue with weed or indeed my real love, hash, it's the unfortunate link to tobacco that I'm not prepared to go back to.

Whilst I have known people who smoke weed and not tobacco they have been in a very small minority, I think tobacco must be the shittiest drug I've ever encountered.
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Fair point. I've been threatening to stop smoking snout for fucking ages now. I'll do it one day.
 
TBH I was motivated to give up when we decided to have kids, I'm not sure I would have done so if it wasn't for that. I didn't really enjoy straights once I started smoking hash but needed to smoke a few in the day to get by.

EDIT - Agree on the packets TBH but I do agree that all advertising should be stopped, branding as well really. The advertising and image is primarily targeting non-smokers i.e. children:\
 
I only started smoking cigarettes because of smoking joints, weed can be a gateway drug in that respect.

Yeah I'm all for deterring people from starting in the first place.
 
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I was offered weed for the first time in several months a couple of nights ago. I was told it was quite strong stuff, and I was reluctant to have any, because I know where it usually takes me.

But for some reason I went along and had some. It had the expected effect - I became unable to follow the conversation because someone would say something and it set me off thinking about what they said, trying to make sense of it, and becoming anxious because they were talking about my life situation, something I didn't really want to talk about. By the time I'd worked through what they'd said in my head, the conversation had moved on a bit and I had to tune back in, catch up and went off in the same cycle.

Because I was so busy dealing with this process, I was unable to say anything. Since I was conscious of being mute, this made me anxious and embarrassed, which didn't help much!

Weed for me is just trouble, at least in social settings. A joint on my own can be absolutely great, though, and I used to love getting stoned and going for long walks at night along the shore in Edinburgh, working things out in my head. Generally, though, I want to stop my ruminations. I suppose that's why I like dissociatives. And opiates and benzos.
 
Ceres said:
I only started smoking cigarettes because of smoking joints, weed can be a gateway drug in that respect.

Yeah I'm all for deterring people from starting in the first place.
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I'm the opposite, I don't smoke cigarettes and never have apart from when I was 13-14 getting drunk for the first time and trying it out. In the past 1-2 years or so I started smoking tobacco a bit in joints as I found it a bit more sociable than getting a lung/fuckit out. I like the whole thing of sitting and passing a joint, but in the past few months I've come to realize I just fucking hate tobacco. I think it tastes/smells like shit, makes me feel like shit and is just shite in general. Completely understand how if you've gotten yourself into the habit of it that it can be enjoyable/relaxing/whatever. But for me it just leads to me feeling sick. But when I was smoking grass for the first time it was always a pipe/bong/fuckit so it's possible that's why.

So I've just began trying to cut it out entirely in recent weeks, it's a bit annoying having to say no to a spliff but may as well as it isn't doing me any good and I don't like it. Tried to look into alternatives too, but haven't found any that would make me want to as I only smoke joints when I'm with other people anyway and to be honest no one is gonah be up for some weird herb alternative when there's tobacco there. Only time I'll ever enjoy tobacco is after a few pills. Dunno why but baccy just makes me feel sick and no matter how many joints I smoke it just never changes.

The propaganda was the 'gateway' to drugs for me. As soon as I realized it was all a load of shite from reading up about grass from about 11-12 on the internet I wanted to try it. Then once I tried it and knew it was DEFINITELY a load of shite I just wanted to try everything else because I knew they'd be fun too - and they were.
 
atm23 said:
I have no issue with weed or indeed my real love, hash, it's the unfortunate link to tobacco that I'm not prepared to go back to.

Whilst I have known people who smoke weed and not tobacco they have been in a very small minority, I think tobacco must be the shittiest drug I've ever encountered.
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I now smoke weed entirely without tobacco. It's an entirely different creature without baccy. With baccy you get that instant stonedness that seems to disappate quicker too, whereas with the vaporiser it builds up a fair bit then levels off into just stoned with no underlying wiredness that seems to come from the baccy. I didn't like just weed on it's own for a while, but once the tobacco cravings died down it has become a much better drug too. It's like i'm more in touch with the weed itself now that I smoke it pure. I can also finally say that it is just an evening drug, because I was smoking it all day and night pretty much just for the tobacco. I would never go back to tobacco, it was probably more difficult to quit than tramadol - not in terms of pain, but in terms of constant raging. But then you probably know that! I've had a spliff a couple of times since then and even with a really strong build and very little baccy it still tasted like tobacco more than weed. Having spent loads of time in the hospital I can quite easily imagine how much I would be kicking myself and praying for a different outcome in my head if I were to end up in the 50% of people who die because of their tobacco addiction.
 
SpecialK_ said:
The propaganda was the 'gateway' to drugs for me. As soon as I realized it was all a load of shite from reading up about grass from about 11-12 on the internet I wanted to try it. Then once I tried it and knew it was DEFINITELY a load of shite I just wanted to try everything else because I knew they'd be fun too - and they were.
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That's exactly what got me into drugs actually, once you realise that everything that you were told in school about drugs was shit. The propaganda actually is what got me interested in the first place as I remember hearing in school that some drugs could make you hear colours and shit like that and it sounded fun. I was never one of the stoner kids though and didn't actually get started until I was about 16.5 but since then it's pretty much been non stop trying different things.
 
Yep, I'm gonna get back into vaping. I never really smoke fags, unless I'm in a pub, but when I vaped I just used my Launch Box, didn't miss the baccy....just missed the social aspect of passing a spliff round with friends a few times....

wish I hadn't started back on the baccy...

vaping from whenever I can cadge me launch box back :D cheers all, MSB, Special K, you have unwittingly made me make a positive decision
 
Mugz said:
That's exactly what got me into drugs actually, once you realise that everything that you were told in school about drugs was shit. The propaganda actually is what got me interested in the first place as I remember hearing in school that some drugs could make you hear colours and shit like that and it sounded fun. I was never one of the stoner kids though and didn't actually get started until I was about 16.5 but since then it's pretty much been non stop trying different things.
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I remember when I was in year 5 (I think that's about 9 or 10), and we got given a drug's pamphlet warning us of all the dangers. It seemed really interesting to me because there was this plant that people called 'shit', and there were these little cubes of paper with bart simpson on them, then there were these cool looking pills... Not once did it have the intended effect on me. What did have an effect was seeing people in the community ruining their lives with cocaine, heroin and alcohol. Some girl on my street was also one of the few people who died from drinking too much water while on ecstasy, but for some reason my parents always told me she'd died because she'd drunk too much water because she was scared her mum would find out (she'd taken it because her mum wouldn't let her have a glass of wine at a party apparently), rather than ever blaming it on the ecstasy. Then of course I was regularly taken around the rasta's house for dub parties when I was 12/13/14 and everyone was smoking like mad there. I never got into anything til I was 17, and didn't start kaning it til at least 18/19.
 
Mugz said:
Ello ello ello, I did make it into work today although I'm not sure how as I found it really hard to sleep last night again, even after taking a couple of antipsychotic pills that would normally knock me right out but they just did nothing at all, so I did some gbl in the middle of the night to try and get some sleep and it kind of worked but only for about 4 or 5 hours, but I made it into work, that was the main thing, and I made it to the end of the day at work too, mission accomplished.
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You must have been gutted that the middle of the night dose of GBL didn't make you sleep through your alarm thus giving you an excuse not to go to work eh? ;)

Mugz said:
yeah spade, fess up, give me the money £50 ouaghtha do it!

and I'm due in at 11am tomroow morning
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You just think you went to work Mugz, you spent all day in the wardrobe pretending.

ColtDan said:
Wish i could enjoy weed, nice and abuseable, but it makes me think too much. feel all uncomfortable. infact weed twists my head more than anything. analyzing my own thoughts and shit, feeling indecisive and cant focus with my brain flying off random shit in all different directions. need to try the benzo and weed combo again
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Same with me, weed freaks me the fuck out. I've never been the same since that space cake in Amsterdamage at age 18. :|

Looks like it's going to be a late one for me again, slept till 3pm today after going to bed around 7am.
 
Decisions decisions, go to bed now whilst still dark and hope I fall asleep or just stay up until I'm tired or don't go to sleep until tonight and try and fix my broken sleeping pattern. Half tempted to wait until day light and walk to McDonalds for a breakfast, craving a sausage and egg McMuffin meal. :D
 
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