GHB/1,4-B/GBL Discussion and use

[Splatt]

Every time I've combined has not been fun.

 

[bustabraincell]

GBL habit

Who here is current;ly having G a lot, or feel addicted? When I have it I sufgfer withdrawals if I dpon't have it, normally it is just a sick feeling but I can also get pains.. Anyone else?

I currently am using probly more than is good for me, and do feel addicted, like getting out of bed, a vaguely "hollow"feeling in the legs, and mind feels disjointed, nervous, hard to focus on anything. If I have a mil or two, I can feel normal, but then want to chase the high- I guess this is when the psychological additive qualities thake over from the physical. I have weaned myself off a few times, a couple of daze of discomfort, but then still am on the lookout for more. It is very addictive, and once you get the habit, is hard to go back to being a once a day user.
Healthwise, I appear to be fine, although I have noticed that I do get aches and a thightness on some limbs, and shoulder blades, almost like lactic acid build up. I do not see wot the drama of not drinking on it is, I usually have 3 or 4 cans at night, and a bottle of wine or so in an evening....naughty, but true...
<instructions cut>. It is a different rush to GBL mixed with just OJ, and found that my urine does not have that horrid chemical smell anymore.

[EDIT: Removed instructions on what you're doing, I don't want anyone to copy that thinking it's safe. hoptis]

 

[Splatt]

Wait.. you're drinking sodium hydroxide??? Did you mean baking soda?

 

[bustabraincell]

no, i mean Na OH sodium hydroxidetis wot is used to convert gbl to ghb I omitted to say that i origianlly used litmus to ensure the pH was close to nuetral, but i got it by eye (or tongue) now. have used a few drops of lemon juice to correct the pH in the early stages thou...

 

[bustabraincell]

heh heh, I started out with Drano, dirty crap that is not have to remove the iron filings from it!!! but can buy Na OH from the chemist....I also use to make soap....

 

[Splatt]

Dude, that is 100% sodium hydroxide (edit: soap making stuff, not draino). It can cause serious skin burns and is extremely poisenous. You don't just drink it. I know what you mean ofcourse but to say it as simple as you did would make people think you can just mix some type of citrus fruit juice, water, lye and gbl in a glass and chow down.. Ths is definitely not the case. Anyone interested in what he's talking about use google (GBL + NaOH) as it's not allowed here, and be frigging careful.

 

[juice_soldier]

God man, wtf are you doing. thats suicide!... you're not even allowing a reaction to take place.. just give her the stir and down the hatches.. wtf

I've seen a few GHB synths in my time from gbl - and shit mate its a bit more complex than that (not much but a bit)

 

[bustabraincell]

sorry, I was making it sound simpler than it is, , yes, I do give the reaction time to take take place, and I do realise the implications of drinking strong alkali. However, you have given me cause to think, and for this, I thank you. I would not recommend my lifestyle to anyone, that would be irresponsible and dangerous....

 

[juice_soldier]

lmao... Dude - its not just dangerous or irresponsible - it's stupid, i mean i've done some stupid things - even with g. but i've never ever just throwin it in the mixer with some sodium hydroxide and been like mm ghb smoothie.. :D

you should just synth it properly. its not that difficult. besides the fluffy white to off white powder that smells like popcorn i such a treat!! after the synth finished just boil her down on the stove.. smells so good

 

[bustabraincell]

Dude, that is 100% sodium hydroxide (edit: soap making stuff, not draino). It can cause serious skin burns and is extremely poisenous. You don't just drink it. I know what you mean ofcourse but to say it as simple as you did would make people think you can just mix some type of citrus fruit juice, water, lye and gbl in a glass and chow down.. Ths is definitely not the case. Anyone interested in what he's talking about use google (GBL + NaOH) as it's not allowed here, and be frigging careful.

Hmmmm I cant see that drinking industrial solvent is safe either...8(

 

[Splatt]

With thinking like that you better not drink any alcohol either.
Straight GBL is rotten for you. It will burn your mouth, tongue, throat and anytihng on the way in a bad way. Luckily it's pretty damn soluable in water, soft drinks and in fruit juices (altho not near as much as water). So putting 2ml of GBL inside a glass of orange juice isn't much different for your insides from drinking a Malibu pre-mixed drink from the bottle shop, which clearly states it contains 5% ETHANOL on the ingreidents, with 0.1% actual malibu liqueur added for flavouring.

 

[xtcxtc]

Jimity,

After doing alot of g over a long period of time - it's not something that has a profound 'magic' to lose like MDMA. You won't notice the effects diminishing over time or becoming less enjoyable . So stress less if you feel you have found your new thing, it's not quite as volatile as mdma.

i have only ever taken GHB but i think the tolerance effect ( after prolonged use ) is just as strong as MDMA.

Who here is current;ly having G a lot, or feel addicted? When I have it I sufgfer withdrawals if I dpon't have it, normally it is just a sick feeling but I can also get pains.. Anyone else?

a little over a week ago i had a 2 week splurge of GHB every 4 hours. over the years i have found it takes about a week to get back to normal, i think largely correlated with a very disrupted sleep pattern. food intake also very disrupted as sometimes ravenous on G & other times unable to eat.

Besides all that... G = Best Drug I Have Ever Used.

years ago it was certainly true for me --- even now i love it but no longer get the truly euphoric effects i once did.

If I have a mil or two, I can feel normal, but then want to chase the high- I guess this is when the psychological additive qualities thake over from the physical. I have weaned myself off a few times, a couple of daze of discomfort, but then still am on the lookout for more. It is very addictive, and once you get the habit, is hard to go back to being a once a day user.

agree. more than once i would have tried to limit to say 3 times / day & failed.

if i have it, the best i have managed to limit it to is about 4G 6 times / day ( i write down time & dosage religiously since a bad accident maybe 3 years ago --- one day i will relate the story on BL but basically i cracked my skull open but still did not go to hospital )

 

[Splatt]

Got a bit of fear for hospitals mate?
You wouldn't of had to tell them you were on drugs though, right?
Or you were just so out of it you thought you were fine?

 

[bustabraincell]

i have only ever taken GHB but i think the tolerance effect ( after prolonged use ) is just as strong as MDMA.



since a bad accident maybe 3 years ago --- one day i will relate the story on BL but basically i cracked my skull open but still did not go to hospital )

would be interested to her about this-was it a face-plant into something-I hate those sudden brain shut-downs occur!

 

[Splatt]

Does anyone have experience with Gamma-Hydroxyvalerate (GHV; 4-Methyl-GHB) ? It is apparently rare. More rare than GVL which apparently doesn't really feel as good as GHB/GBL/1,4B and is more like a benzo. I'm guessing since they are closely related they would have similar effects. There is very little info on Erowid's GHV and GVL vault. I have seen GVL (in a solution with other chemicals) for sale as a tonic for rubbing onto muscles to promote muscle growth and sleep after body building.

And here is Murple's report on GHV and GVL for those interested: http://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=10556


There seem to be many legal compounds structurally similar to to GHB and GHB analogues, one I remember is 1,3B. I wonder if any of these convert into GHB in the body and if they are actually healthy to ingest.

 

[xtcxtc]

Got a bit of fear for hospitals mate?
You wouldn't of had to tell them you were on drugs though, right?
Or you were just so out of it you thought you were fine?

sort of none of the above --- i did not think i was fine & was not worried about the "drug" aspect but i was in the Philippines where i would have had to cope with extreme heat & humidity getting to hospital, then lots of waiting, then inadequate medical care --- in many other countries i would have gone to hospital.

i was taking a piss, leaning forward with one arm braced against the wall, when i passed out & went head first onto the porcelain ( ??? ) cistern cover, shattering same.

when i woke up ( presumably within a minute or two ) i picked up all the larger pieces of ceramic ( ??? ) and put them in the rubbish tin.

only then did i realise how much trouble i was in as there was a lot of blood, mostly from the top of my head, but also a little from one arm & probably broke some small bone on one of my wrists.

so i start screaming for my girlfriend at same time i stand in front of sink / mirror trying to wash the blood off my chest / arms / head.

unbeknownst to me my g/f has gone to nearby mall but i still have maids, 2 sisters, on the floor below me. they realise i am in big trouble but do not come up knowing i will be naked. i guess they ring g/f to tell her to come home.

when she does arrive, maybe 20 mins later, bllood is streaming down my face, chest, arms & dropping from my head in great globs as i continue to try to wash it away in front of the mirror. a truly horrific sight.

when she sees me she drops to her knees & starts crying hysterically. she tries to get me in bath but i insist on hopping in shower = very bad move as idea should be to stop blood flow & water streaming on my head likely just accentuated same.

she had had some training as a nurse so should have insisted on blocking the blood flow earlier but panic makes it hard to think straight.

2 of my best friends in HK are Drs. so eventually g/f would have been on the phone to them as well as 2 maids assisting her with towels on bed, around body & on head blocking blood flow. both Drs would have suggested i went to hospital but probably understood my wounds were not going to be fatal.

since then i religiously note time & dose whenever i take G --- on the ocassion above i would have been trying to get to sleep for some hours & almost certainly lost track of how many doses i had taken.

 

[Splatt]

I rememebr once upon a time you used GHB for sleep am I correct? What do you use now?

 

[bustabraincell]

I have found when coming offf G, valerium works weel to help sleep...2000 mg, X2 from chemist

 

[juice_soldier]

Does anyone have experience with Gamma-Hydroxyvalerate (GHV; 4-Methyl-GHB)


There seem to be many legal compounds structurally similar to to GHB and GHB analogues, one I remember is 1,3B. I wonder if any of these convert into GHB in the body and if they are actually healthy to ingest.

the 4 is the all important bit

 

[bustabraincell]

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so bustabraincelll recieves a calll that the fed cops are outside his doo, they actually had bin watching his mail. he is busted , big time pples, and very, very scared. not to mention freaking cos he aint had time to wean down. Fully regretfull, and not sure that the pleasure he has bin getting is gonna be worth the years this will set him back.... I know i only have my self o blame, but i bin off mah guts so lomg, guess i was bulletprooof. I am in deep shit. Be careful