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General Methadone Discussion v. Why the Hell Not?

Mr.Scagnattie said:
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Yeah only 5 miles away as opposed to 30 would be worth the extra money to me.
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I may switch now that I actually have money left over after bills are paid. I need to go down there in person to ask the questions I need answers too. If the counseling runs like the clinic I go to now then I'll be late for work a few times a month and it would be like 30-45 min late or up to an hour late. Also I could ride my dirt bike to the other clinic because it's on a dirt road.
 
The problem is that the Feds write the minimum rules then allows the states to impose stricter contols.Then finally you have the individual clinic(s) that may or may not be stricter than the state.This leads to mad differences between states and even within the same cities.2 cases in point.First,the Feds DO NOT reuire cannabis testing,anyone here can't get or lost TH's cause of pot? Second,dose limits.A lot of clinics will limit doses to say 60mg. on average even though therapeutic doses of 100-120 mg. or more are not uncommon, again depending on where you live.This is wrong and the Fed rules should become the SOP nationwide to rid us of geographical racism.If anyone is interested in reading more check out the Fed rules of MMT.Easily found via google.
 
ITheres a clinic here in dayton in the hood. I have heard they are very stict. Im not sure if I wanna go yet. If you miss a day you get reprocussions and they kick you out for dirty urines. Its also covered by the state but can take a month to get in. You also have to go to groups I think twice a week. They are also considering making suboxone into a drink and combining forces with the suboxone clinic. Question ?? I took 5mgof methadone friday evening around 6pm while waiting for a fix.When could I take a suboxone?
 
since taking suboxone im miserable

tomatalli said:
How much done do you think id need for a bundday up the snout habit
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Iv been on opiots 4 13 yrs, tabs, perks,120mg methadone. Ki switched to suboxone bc I hd to dr 1hr 2 a mthadone clinic. At 1st the sub. Done great a decrease n depression. Now after taking the drug 2yrs I feel like hell all the time. Im depressed, d nt care abt nthing. I hv a degree, prtty girl, guys beg me 4 dates.but instead I whant to stay locked n my house w sweats ntshirt on. Ive lost 110 lbs n ayrr n 1/2. Whats wrong w me why nim I so hollow, I cnt find myself. I dnt know wht to do about the suboxone, do I nd ti switch to smthing else?I ask my Dr. He says yell thats all gi can do 4 u 2 boxes a day. Well isnt a Dr suppose to increase the buffinex and decrease the naloxone over tm?no dr here.All I know is I cant live like this. Im sick, malice, tired, confussed, anxiety, out of my element feeling all the tm. SMBODY HELP ME MY EMAIL [email protected] OR [email protected]. ON MESSENGER N FB. PLEASE DNT B AFRAID OR HOLD BK FRM UR OPPITION, IM DESPERATE. IS THS A NORMAL PROBLEM OF RECOVERING, FEELING AGAIN N ITS KILLING ME?
 
tazzmane said:
Iv been on opiots 4 13 yrs, tabs, perks,120mg methadone. Ki switched to suboxone bc I hd to dr 1hr 2 a mthadone clinic. At 1st the sub. Done great a decrease n depression. Now after taking the drug 2yrs I feel like hell all the time. Im depressed, d nt care abt nthing. I hv a degree, prtty girl, guys beg me 4 dates.but instead I whant to stay locked n my house w sweats ntshirt on. Ive lost 110 lbs n ayrr n 1/2. Whats wrong w me why nim I so hollow, I cnt find myself. I dnt know wht to do about the suboxone, do I nd ti switch to smthing else?I ask my Dr. He says yell thats all gi can do 4 u 2 boxes a day. Well isnt a Dr suppose to increase the buffinex and decrease the naloxone over tm?no dr here.All I know is I cant live like this. Im sick, malice, tired, confussed, anxiety, out of my element feeling all the tm. SMBODY HELP ME MY EMAIL [email protected] OR [email protected]. ON MESSENGER N FB. PLEASE DNT B AFRAID OR HOLD BK FRM UR OPPITION, IM DESPERATE. IS THS A NORMAL PROBLEM OF RECOVERING, FEELING AGAIN N ITS KILLING ME?
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I don't want to sound like a dick but I can't read this. Your spelling is atrocious maybe if you fixed it I would know what your asking.
 
tazzmane said:
Iv been on opiots 4 13 yrs, tabs, perks,120mg methadone. Ki switched to suboxone bc I hd to dr 1hr 2 a mthadone clinic. At 1st the sub. Done great a decrease n depression. Now after taking the drug 2yrs I feel like hell all the time. Im depressed, d nt care abt nthing. I hv a degree, prtty girl, guys beg me 4 dates.but instead I whant to stay locked n my house w sweats ntshirt on. Ive lost 110 lbs n ayrr n 1/2. Whats wrong w me why nim I so hollow, I cnt find myself. I dnt know wht to do about the suboxone, do I nd ti switch to smthing else?I ask my Dr. He says yell thats all gi can do 4 u 2 boxes a day. Well isnt a Dr suppose to increase the buffinex and decrease the naloxone over tm?no dr here.All I know is I cant live like this. Im sick, malice, tired, confussed, anxiety, out of my element feeling all the tm. SMBODY HELP ME MY EMAIL [email protected] OR [email protected]. ON MESSENGER N FB. PLEASE DNT B AFRAID OR HOLD BK FRM UR OPPITION, IM DESPERATE. IS THS A NORMAL PROBLEM OF RECOVERING, FEELING AGAIN N ITS KILLING ME?
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Uhh.. what?
 
Personally I was doing pretty well on methadone, and I blame the clinic structure for the reason why I quit treatment.

First of all, I went on methadone because I was in legal trouble at the time, and I thought it would look good to get into some treatment, and plus at the time, I had never tried methadone, so I wanted to see how it was.

The first 3 months were great. I wanted to stay around 30mg, but my clinic insisted that I go up to 75mg because of fear that I would relapse.

I did other drugs ocassionally like cocaine, amphetamines, marijuana.

When I got drug tested at the clinic, the counselor had to be in the room with me. I found this to be pretty embarrassing, especially if I couldn't go and I had to "go number 2" in order to get some piss out. The counselor would then complain of the smell. It was obvious we both didn't want to be near each other in that situation.

The UAs prevented me from getting take homes, and making plans with my life like vacations and what not.

In the end, I decided to get off methadone because I was tired of bending over for the clinic and their rules.

I ended up with a habit of course getting off methadone and I am now on suboxone, with some ocassional chipping. The winter was rough, and i felt the worst I have felt in years, but upon taking a 3 day vacation to a warmer climate, I feel like it jump started my recovery. Being in a warmer environment with low suboxone doses was exactly what I needed.

If my clinic didn't force a counselor to be in the room with you for the UA, there's a good chance I would still be in the methadone treatment.
 
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Yeah some clinics do it that way and some don't. Also, it depends on the person. Some people who are they think might tamper with UA's to try to pass or are court mandated, they get supervised UA's. Some places just do it to everyone, etc. Your methadone experience will vary greatly depending on which clinic you're at.
 
There is no counselor during the ua's at the one I go to. I think for a fee i can have a mouth swab done. I heard there is a clinic with a camera. The only time I had the counselor in with me is they thought I tampered with my piss. So I told them have someone stare at my dick next time and I'll prove it was 100% pure urine straight from my bladder. I only wished I could have stunk up the room. That would have made me feel better.
 
I think what really pushed me away was the required meetings my clinic made me do on saturday mornings. If the counselor was being especially lazy, he turned it into an AA/NA meeting format, which I thought was really lame. I paid for $280 a month for treatment, and the "group therapy" meetings consisted of something I could do for free outside the clinic anyway.
 
I had to do a monthly one on one with my counselor. So weekly group meetings and one monthly one on one. It probably would've been better reversed since the meetings largely consisted of dope fiends giggling about dope war stories and trying to not nod so they would get credit for being at the meeting. (Nodding out, or falling asleep meant trouble).

I know that the counselors were over-worked and had heavy case-loads, with some counselors handling probably over 100 clients. The thing is, at the time I was also seeing ANOTHER counselor totally outside of the clinic, so I should've gotten some kind of "exemption" so that he could free up some of his time to focus on the addicts that really needed more attention.

I could tell though that even though the counselor was a former addict, he really didn't trust anyone, including me. Granted I told him that I didn't do drugs when I had so I kinda shot myself in the foot in that regard, but the whole clinic experience for me, even though it was only one clinic just kinda seemed demeaning and almost prison-like.

I remember having a particularly hard time getting up in the morning and requiring more sleep than ever when I was on methadone for several months, so I often would be going to my clinic a half hour before work. Now, most of the time I was in and out no problem. However, if I went up to the window to check in, and they told me I had a drug test, I couldn't leave the premises. If I left it was considered a dirty urine. And there was only one bathroom, for both men and women. At one point I came up for valium and coke, and I did valium like once so it was very stupid, but it meant weekly urine screens. I was trying to get take home privledges and whenever I have to cut out weed from my drug regimen, it's almost a gaurentee that I intake harder substances like heroin/coke/speed because they clear out of me quicker.

So even though the urine screens were frequent, they were still random, so I had no idea when they would come up. And too many times I would have to wait up to an hour while others got drug tested. This resulted in me coming into work late. My boss at the time knew I was trying to get clean and applauded me for it, but was really getting annoyed by my coming in late so often, and unannounced.

Yes, I could've gotten up earlier every morning so that I would never be late for work. Yes I should've been cleaner so that I could've gotten take home medication.

I am a very private person, so naturally the clinic and I didn't mesh well. They wanted to know all kinds of info like where I worked and I told them it wasn't any of their business. I didn't feel like getting my name into a bunch of methadone clinics by doing "guest medication" when I travel.

The stigma of methadone and my overall experience really drove me away from it all. In the end, I went back on heroin to get off the methadone.

I am NOT your model methadone patient. I felt that my emotions were blunted even more on methadone than on suboxone. However, I have plenty of gripes about suboxone as well, but it seems to fit my needs much better for the time being.

In the end, a lot of it was my own fault, but I felt like the clinic was more work than going to score dope everyday. It was certainly cheaper, but the cost in time and frustration was much more.
 
They want 2 groups a month and 2 meetings one on one with a counselor. I don't mind the one on one with a counselor but I never cared for group meetings. There is always that one person that has the solution to everyone's problems. I always want to smack that fucker. It's like come on if you had such great advice why is your life just as fucked if not worse then mine.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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Everyone. It's once a month whether you get take homes or not.
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You guys are spoiled.That's why I walked.I was going once a month for years (cause I had TH's) before they took em back for pot(even w/ my MMJ recommendation).They actually thought they were gonna make me start coming every week.Obviously they did'nt know me and assumed I'd put up w/ that shit. Powertrippin (M)Assholes.
 
The fucked up thing is the Feds don't care about weed and michigan rules state as long as you have a valid medical card for weed then they don't care. But the clinic told me I would never get take homes with weed in me. I'm not a big smoker when I'm doing dope but I like to burn down now and again when I'm not doing dope. I'll probably start drinking again like I do when I don't do dope.
 
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