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GBL MEGATHREAD 6: The Germans didn't make Dan's

felix said:
Shambles. We've read years' worth of your posts telling everyone how you don't suffer from G withdrawals, and how it magically doesn't affect you the same as others.

What you always fail to mention is that you are (or have been) pretty much always scripted a wide and wonderful array of benzos and other stuff from your doctor, not to mention all the other stuff you regularly do. It's no wonder your extensive use (and the cessation) of G affects you differently.

I'm beginning to be open about my use and abuse of G on here in order to help others. It's time you did too, instead of denying it and confusing others.

Lots of love. x
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I have always been completely open about my use and abuse of everything, Felix. I stopped being scripted benzos years ago and they do fuck all for G withdrawals anyway according to most (I genuinely don't know cos only had the two in the same vicinity once or twice from memory - certainly never used benzos regularly when I was using geebee and never needed to use them for w/d cos I didn't get w/d).

As I have consistently maintained, the only time I got G w/d was when I used KO doses on a regular basis - specifically at night to sleep. Other than that never a problem to do an ultraquick taper from an average of 30ml/day down to nothing over 24-48h. Sometimes didn't even bother with a taper and was still fine bar being a bit lacking in energy. This only worked when I completely avoided KO dosing though.

I metion it frequently cos I'm hoping somebody else will chime in to agree or disagree cos it intrigues me. It seems nobody else avoids KO doses and/or uses G to sleep though and those are precisely the people not in a position to know whether amending their dosage patterns would make as much difference as it did for me.

Finally, I am not for one moment suggesting heavy use of G is a good idea by any stretch. However, given plenty are doing it anyway it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest possible techniques for avoiding the worst symptoms of w/d - especially given how extreme they are.
 
Interesting to hear about your usage and ease of tapering off etc. How long did you do GBL for?

I seem to get pretty much no repercussions if i avoid kinda near KO doses, have accidentally conked out or been very near to a few times re-dosing too fast, gives me a rebound, sometimes if i end up properly nutted but feeling quite far from conking it it rebounds me, if i keep the dose low and no more frequent than a couple hours i seem fine off it. moreish tho
 
ColtDan said:
Interesting to hear about your usage and ease of tapering off etc. How long did you do GBL for?
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Used to buy either 500ml or 1l and binge through it then maybe a couple weeks off then back to binging, rinse, repeat for... dunno exactly but several years anyway. Definitely not a good idea but the only thing I can think of that explains lack of w/d from such excessive use is the one thing I have suggested - and indeed tested (admittedly a single subject does not a scientific study make) on myself and found it to be the case. Regular KO doses = w/d, no KO doses = minimal (frankly barely even) w/d. And just to reiterate - I did not use any other substances to mitigate any w/d cos there was no w/d to mitigate.
 
Thanks for the reply, Shambles, and I take on board what you're saying about avoiding K/O doses. I regularly used it for K/O doses (deliberately and not deliberately) so I can't comment on that from my perspective.

However, this is complete nonsense:

Shambles said:
I stopped being scripted benzos years ago and they do fuck all for G withdrawals anyway according to most
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If there's one thing that'll stop withdrawals stone dead it's valium or xanax. Not just for me, for many people.
 
Did someone mention that you can now access 50 or 100ml? Who said that or am I imagining it?

Bit more harm reduction than a fucking litre...
 
I really like this stuff.. keeping my usage under control doesn't seem to be too much of a problem either. the only annoying thing sometimes is needing benzos to sleep on it
 
Shambles I'd be interested to hear how you managed to sleep/avoid KO doses when using GBL all day long. None of my periods of 24/7 use ever started intentionally but it would always be a case of either inadvertently taking too much or resorting to a KO dose due to an inability to get to sleep with the stimmy aftereffects of the day's use (although I don't think I had regular access to benzos for the majority of the time). I can't imagine spending a day on it, getting a good (natural) night's sleep then carrying on the following day.

On a side note: did anyone else get remarkably good sleep from GBL when they first started using it? I was a lot less aware of the dangers of using it as a sleep aid at the time as there wasn't much on the internet and used to get a full night's worth of uninterrupted sleep with my first bottle of 250ml (how things changed!).
 
*dharmabum* said:
On a side note: did anyone else get remarkably good sleep from GBL when they first started using it? I was a lot less aware of the dangers of using it as a sleep aid at the time as there wasn't much on the internet and used to get a full night's worth of uninterrupted sleep with my first bottle of 250ml (how things changed!).
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I would guess most people, haha. One thing I remember the most about that type of sleep in particular are the totally mad and vivid dreams. I used to quite like that.
 
Oh okay, I've never really seen much reference to sleep that wasn't the classic ~3 hour 'sleep' I've since come to associate with GBL so wasn't sure if I was an anomaly.

I don't remember getting vivid dreams at that stage. I think the gradual *coming to* from 3 hour KO sleep later on in my use tended to be filled with uncomfortably vivid dreams. One particularly memorable one culminated in a cat sized rat jumping on my chest and me waking up drenched in sweat, sat upright in bed.

I think it's now 3 or 4 years since I last used any, remarkable considering how much of a hold it had on me at one stage!
 
felix said:
However, this is complete nonsense:

If there's one thing that'll stop withdrawals stone dead it's valium or xanax. Not just for me, for many people.
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During my first few withdrawals, benzos worked a treat. By my 50th withdrawal, benzos didn't do a thing. Even 30-40mg of Xanax. That's when I discovered phenibut and baclofen, which hit the proper GABA-b receptors (unlike benzos, that hit GABA-a receptors), and quickly halt the withdrawals.
 
Did/does anyone get sleep paralysis from GBL? It used to happen to me, nearly every day, if I passed out (which was a lot). My dreams in general were extremely vivid, when I was on the verge of waking up for a redose. Some crazy shit.
 
Yep but only from KO doses. KO dose during a habit would do the strangest things to my sleep/dreams
 
I've been doing GBL on and off for about 4 years now. Mostly at parties and stuff. Have had my fair share of waking up in the ER due to passing out in public, sadly. I stopped doing it for about a year and a half after a horrible withdrawal I experienced... I was on it (quite heavily) 24/7 for about a week and a half (along with meth) without sleeping or eating, passing out a couple times during that binge and just woke up and kept doing it, and when I stopped I started hallucinating badly, crying, horrible anxiety, heart palpitations, delirium. It was hell on earth and the worst part lasted for about 6 days, getting increasingly worse every day until I finally managed to sleep for a couple hours on day 6. For the first week I was hiding in my room, awake, thinking everybody was out to get me, refused to pick up my phone or talk to anyone cuz I thought I was being recorded, didn't go online cuz I thought it was a trap, basically I didn't get out of bed at all during that time, but I couldn't sleep either. I could hear sirens outside my window and knocking on my door, and also voices that weren't really there. I knew I was in big trouble (had no benzos or even alcohol during the whole ordeal) but I was too scared to drive or get out of my house, or call anyone.

I wouldn't wish this experience on my worst enemy and the worst part is everything felt 100% real, I wasn't aware that I was hallucinating, in fact I wasn't even aware this was a g withdrawal, I had no idea that was even a thing... for the longest time I thought the best thing about g was the lack of hangovers/withdrawals, which is true until you *abuse* it... so I came up with like 30 theories on why I was basically dying. First I blamed meth, then I blamed a friend putting "something" on my drinks... then I just thought I had done some kind of irreparable damage to my brain, then *please don't laugh* I thought I was a subject in some kind of government experiment *lol* It was like a very very realistic horror movie and I couldn't do anything about it. It got to the point where I wanted to kill myself. It was that bad.

After the first week I managed to sleep a few hours (dont ask me how) and then it got a *little* better, but I was "out of it" for about 3 more weeks, I seriously thought I had gone insane for good. Nothing felt real, I didn't know what was going on, didn't know anything... It took me probably a month and a half to get back to "normal" and be able to look back and understand what had happened to me. Thanks to bluelight, of course. These forums helped me a lot back then and I don't know what I'd have done if I hadn't come here to do some research.

fast forward a year and a half and I found myself doing g again. The problem is after only a few doses, I won't be able to sleep that night, and I'll get extreme anxiety and a feeling that something's not right. This didn't happen before so something has definitely changed. another thing I noticed is it stops working after 4 or 5 doses.. and I don't feel anything anymore... just very sketchy and tweak-y. I don't get it.
 
Welcome to Bluelight. :)

You came to the right place if you need support and advice. Many of us have been there, done that, and come out the other side.

Do you have a question?
 
Thanks lol yes I do have a question. How come after only a few doses I feel really wired and can't sleep at all. When I first did G it used to be amazing... no hangover, sleep like a baby for 8+ hours, wake up feeling like a million bucks... to the point that I could do g on a sunday all night and go to work next day like nothing happened, feeling quite happy. Now it's the total opposite, even if I don't pass out I get a really bad tweaky meth feeling when coming down, even if I just use it a couple of hours... my eyes feel sore and it just doesn't feel quite right. It's like a completely different substance.
 
felix said:
How long is a piece of G-addicted string?

It depends on your type of usage, your dosage, the frequency of those dosages, your tolerance, what you're mixing it with, whether you have benzos to smooth out the WDs and/or get to sleep, etc. etc. etc.

That fact you're asking (not for the first time) shows that you're concerned about your use. Give it a break for a week. Try only using it at weekends. Pour it out. I dunno. But I think it would be daft for anyone to just bluntly state that "every 3 days is OK" (for example, that's not my answer), because there are so many variables.
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yeah if you are asking, then thats a sign u may be entering into a bad area with the stuff...again, for me, the idea dosing is once a day, THATS IT at the most...even this is difficult to do though depending how much u have laying around...

coltdan-are you using it to party or chill out after work or what?why are you using it?

the perfect way to use it would be just the weekends, at night when you go out..thats the way i use to do it and it was great..now, it still can pack a punch but i no longer get the sex drive and crazy euphoria from it unless i take a few days off..its the winter time though and not much else to do though..lol..
 
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