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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

Shambles, youv managed to not take for sleep, now only wait 3 hours after you have woken up before you take your first dose and you shoulkd be able to completely avoid withdrawals.
 
Apparently, phenibut is structurally similar to PEA, and may share some of its effects. The first time I took it, I had an anxious episode, and a mild speed-like rush, shortly after taking it. This mellowed out, after a bit. I took about three grammes, or more, which was way too much. I have noticed some euphoria at high doses, too.

Ive read phenibut acts as a PEA antagonist, doesnt make any sense, phenibut seems strange stuff.
 
A few questions...

When I go clubbing it's usually for 20-25 hours straight and I like to be high the whole time. Only been on GBL twice clubbing (w/methedrone) and was taking doses of 1.5ml per hour... obviously the most important thing that matters is you don't take too much too quickly, but are there any problems with taking so much over a period of 25 hours ie. 37.5ml. Providing I limit myself more or less to the clubbing experiences, do i risk w/d symptoms during the week or long term?

After said experiences, I've had no more doses over the week and experiencing extreme fatigue. Is this normal and if so is there any way I can combat this? (based on shambles previous post I presume it's normal)

Also,

I'm tempted to use GBL every time I have sex due to enhanced orgasm, are there any downsides to this. For example, I'm worried if I get used to this, I'll be completely underwhelmed having sex should I ever terminate GBL usage (amongst other possible problems).

Is GBL with Kamagra safe?

Can I store my bottle of 500ml in my chest of draws? Also, can a milk container effectively store GBL for months?

When someone is going under on GBL, is it best to try and keep them awake - or to get them to sit down somewhere and relax?

Can GBL cause nosebleeds? The first time I did GBL with alcohol (not a good idea I know) I experienced a nosebleed... unrelated?

Is GBL good for public speaking? I get nervous giving presentations and having previously used speed to help, I'm wandering what effect GBL would have. As it slows down heart, figured it might do the trick.

Sorry for all questions!
 
When I go clubbing it's usually for 20-25 hours straight and I like to be high the whole time. Only been on GBL twice clubbing (w/methedrone) and was taking doses of 1.5ml per hour... obviously the most important thing that matters is you don't take too much too quickly, but are there any problems with taking so much over a period of 25 hours ie. 37.5ml. Providing I limit myself more or less to the clubbing experiences, do i risk w/d symptoms during the week or long term?
From what I can tell this alone should not risk real addiction, although there will likely be some mid-term problems like rebound insomnia, which are effectively mild WDs.
After said experiences, I've had no more doses over the week and experiencing extreme fatigue. Is this normal and if so is there any way I can combat this? (based on shambles previous post I presume it's normal)

Good god, no wonder you're tired after dancing for 25 hours straight! Combat it with a weeks good sleep and good diet.
Alternatively the route leading down a dangerous path would be to perk yourself up with stimulants, but be warned, you'll destroy yourself.

Also,

I'm tempted to use GBL every time I have sex due to enhanced orgasm, are there any downsides to this. For example, I'm worried if I get used to this, I'll be completely underwhelmed having sex should I ever terminate GBL usage (amongst other possible problems).
It's a psychological effect which will be different for every person.
Yes, you'll likely develop a psychological addiction, much like how smokers really don't like to drink without smoking.

Is GBL with Kamagra safe?
I can't see any obvious interactions here, GHB doesn't have a lot of circulatory effects except depression.

Can I store my bottle of 500ml in my chest of draws? Also, can a milk container effectively store GBL for months?
No different from any other room temperature dark place? Ideal.
Yes, Milk jugs are HDPE which is highly resistant to chemical attack, and is the preferred plastic container in industry. Not sure about how airtight the lid is though.

When someone is going under on GBL, is it best to try and keep them awake - or to get them to sit down somewhere and relax?
In a normal (non-OD) situation, it's up to you. If it's convenient for all, it may be appropriate to simply place them in the recovery position and allow them to sleep it off. If you are in an environment where this would not be acceptable, it is perfectly reasonable to keep them awake, get them active, keep them standing etc. Good luck though, people going under are usually pretty unstoppable!
In an OD situation; call an ambulance, don't risk their life because you want to dance. Obviously not counting 0.5mls too much here, but if something doesn't add up, or they've gone too high accidentally, please act carefully.

Can GBL cause nosebleeds? The first time I did GBL with alcohol (not a good idea I know) I experienced a nosebleed... unrelated?
Not something I've heard of, but headaches are not uncommon after binges, so yes it could be related.

Is GBL good for public speaking? I get nervous giving presentations and having previously used speed to help, I'm wandering what effect GBL would have. As it slows down heart, figured it might do the trick.
Probably not wise, but GHB is an anxiolytic drug, meaning it calms nerves and reduces anxiety. It would work well for this, but a small dose would be all you need (no more than a threshold dose) so you can remain a 'sober' while gaining anxiolytic effects..

Sorry for all questions!
that's what we're here for :)

Overall though, it does sound like you're moving towards a possibly dangerous use pattern, I'd caution you to try and keep G to one part of your life.
My biggest pointer would just be to not party so long, but I know it'll fall on deaf ears! 8)
Good luck :D
 
Almost certainly if you allowed the gbl to get sucked up all the way. Don't let the liquid level go below the mouth of the pipette, should be ok, if in doubt rinse with water.

Definitely better to use a small syringe though.
 
I use the oral syringe from a box of calpol for kids for measuring doses. Ive used it for months and see only slight signs of degredation.
 
most pharmacists will give you oral syringes for free, these are the best for measuring in my opinion, only trouble is the g always eventually rubs off the markings on the side
 
The markings are usually on the outside, it's probably you rubbing them off!
Find they last much longer now I'm careful.
 
From what I can tell this alone should not risk real addiction, although there will likely be some mid-term problems like rebound insomnia, which are effectively mild WDs.


Good god, no wonder you're tired after dancing for 25 hours straight! Combat it with a weeks good sleep and good diet.
Alternatively the route leading down a dangerous path would be to perk yourself up with stimulants, but be warned, you'll destroy yourself.


It's a psychological effect which will be different for every person.
Yes, you'll likely develop a psychological addiction, much like how smokers really don't like to drink without smoking.


I can't see any obvious interactions here, GHB doesn't have a lot of circulatory effects except depression.

No different from any other room temperature dark place? Ideal.
Yes, Milk jugs are HDPE which is highly resistant to chemical attack, and is the preferred plastic container in industry. Not sure about how airtight the lid is though.


In a normal (non-OD) situation, it's up to you. If it's convenient for all, it may be appropriate to simply place them in the recovery position and allow them to sleep it off. If you are in an environment where this would not be acceptable, it is perfectly reasonable to keep them awake, get them active, keep them standing etc. Good luck though, people going under are usually pretty unstoppable!
In an OD situation; call an ambulance, don't risk their life because you want to dance. Obviously not counting 0.5mls too much here, but if something doesn't add up, or they've gone too high accidentally, please act carefully.

Not something I've heard of, but headaches are not uncommon after binges, so yes it could be related.


Probably not wise, but GHB is an anxiolytic drug, meaning it calms nerves and reduces anxiety. It would work well for this, but a small dose would be all you need (no more than a threshold dose) so you can remain a 'sober' while gaining anxiolytic effects..


that's what we're here for :)

Overall though, it does sound like you're moving towards a possibly dangerous use pattern, I'd caution you to try and keep G to one part of your life.
My biggest pointer would just be to not party so long, but I know it'll fall on deaf ears! 8)
Good luck :D

Thanks for your excellent response! I took the end advice seriously, I will try and have a weekly 'cap' for how much I'm allowed to take.

Regarding storing GBL in milk container, can anyone confirm whether or not the average milk lid is air tight enough? I'd be storing the GBL long term.
 
I wouldn't trust the lid on a milk container. They always leak on me and that's just with honest milk. Never stored anything else but water in a milk container. Either I'm really crap at sealing these things ( hey, this is not beyond possible ) or they're just crap at being sealed.
 
What about an empty spirit bottle e.g. bacardi 70cl.

If that would work, I'd make sure to write something on the bottle so no one drinks it!
 
Don't see why that wouldn't work. I'm no expert though. There may be something with the lid that might not go. It's metal. I don't know how or if it interacts with metal.
 
if you're using a clear spirit bottle dye the g bright blue or simnilar otherwise you could easily have manslaughter on your hands (not everyone reads labels)
 
Please please dye your G if you put it into an alcohol bottle. Sometimes there is a littlke plastic inside the metal lid which may dissolve, but otherwise that's fine. If you're storing it upright then the milk bottle shouldn't really be a problem. Pill bottles are really good containers.

I'm glad to see I might have helped you, it's not easy to face when you might be heading the wrong way, I know, I've ignored advice before!
 
Please please dye your G if you put it into an alcohol bottle. Sometimes there is a littlke plastic inside the metal lid which may dissolve, but otherwise that's fine. If you're storing it upright then the milk bottle shouldn't really be a problem. Pill bottles are really good containers.

I'm glad to see I might have helped you, it's not easy to face when you might be heading the wrong way, I know, I've ignored advice before!

Ok, decided I will store in milk container and keep it upright in my chest of draws. Hopefully that will suffice for long-term storage.

Can I use pink food coloring to dye it? Pretty sure that would stop anyone from drinking it, though it does mean my pipette wont pass for eye drops or anything should I get caught with it.

Yeah I appreciated your advice of caution. It's amazing how many people start using drugs without the slightest clue about harm reduction. I just recently had to persuade my friend not to store his 500ml in a water bottle and have seen people dosing with bottle caps numerous times.
 
Blue has been pretty universally chosen as there are very few things a human normally eats/drinks which are blue.
The idea is to make people think, hold on this isn't water/juice/vodka before they drink it.

It does worry me how some people don't bother to learn about things to which they hand their fate, but so be it. It is up to the likes of you and me to help them keep themselves safe.
 
Been a g user, daily for 2 years, spent about6-8month 24/7 dosing, I used pregs and benzos for 2 days because i tthink I would get wd but straight after I would relapse the only way I got a proper break wae using opiates, i return to gbl taking it with no effect, but I will still take it in 2hr time. It appears instead of2ml i can only do 1.5ml or i ko. There is not much left and i dont plan on more. I get them mad hand twitches which i take vit b for. Gbl is good with good with stims but dose less as you can od/blackout easy. Even use a stop watch after dosing so you know when it is safe.

As for storing buy a plain hdpe bottle off ebay. Do not store it dialutee in drinks.
 
The GBL would melt the paint on a bacardi lid, it does on smirnoff anyway!!

GBL is bad news I think, i've been using GHB/GBL for ten years on and off and have never had any problems with GHB apart from someone doing a bad job on conversion, I hear doing it the bi carb method is much better and appears to be from the feeling it gives.

This is because people don't use good grade NAOH for their conversions, this and from drinking impure GBL or GHB that hasn't been distilled properly and is full of GBL and/or bad quality NAOH are the only routes to problems in my opinion.

I have been through bad withdrawels a couple of times but were always from Chinese GBL and badly converted like above!!

BASF GBL is the way to go but make sure you have a friend who is good at converting, seriously from what I hear the bi carb method is even easier than doing a shit route using NAOH, unless you have NAOH and a magnetic stirrer.

I just realised I have been stupidly doing 5ml of GBL at a time, thought a tea spoon was less ML than it is and realised why my tolerance to GHB has gone up, I use GBL occasionally if I have no GHB!! Good thing is, GHB can solve GBL withdrawel as you just switch and then taper off that.

I can generally stop GHB when I want, take some valium just to make sure and maybe have some alcohol ready if you still can't sleep!! If you try not to use it for sleep then seems to be fine, but if you have really good GHB made with good BASF and food grade bi carb which is easier to find than good grade NAOH then it's very possible apart from your own complacency and occasional stupidity (e.g. my forgetting how many ML a tea spoon is) to fuck up!!
 
Does GBL encourage vasodilation?
I would assume it does as its a CNS depressant, but I would like to know for sure.
I keep forgetting to buy aspirin for stim sessions, just incase, and I always have GBL handy for stim sessions anyway. It would be nice to know.
 
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