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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

Also, other than the fact you would be addicted, if you took GBL all day every day for years on end, would there be any negative physical effects on your body?

It annoys me how GBL seems to have been demonised so much by the media. On another drugs forum I frequent, I am constantly on about how amazing GBL is for stim sessions and sleep and such, and everyone worries about me saying Im going to become addicted, and to be really careful as its so easy to OD on it.
Ive tried explaining to them how safe it is if you are educated, but they don't seem to listen.
 
kate said:
Personally, I'm not sure you can be "general" with G and RC's. Think too much depends on what type of RC and what you're like with GBL, doses etc.

I've been in a situation where I've had too much methylone and mephedrone, taken G passed out and not been able to be roused easily ... really did worry my OH as my breathing wasn't "normal" and he couldn't get me to become conscious easily. I was ok, but it was quite a scary moment for both of us :|

Very much - YMMV. Best to err on the side of caution. G is very dose sensitive.

If you "overdose" on a stimulant I'd prefer a benzo to bring me back down.
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Sorry, what I mean for GBL unreactivity, is like chemically. Its possible to tell by the structure if something is fairly unreactive with other things isn't it?
This is what I meant for GBL.
To me, GBL certainly feels less reactive with other things than alcohol.
 
GBL and GHB don't appear to have any serious chronic risks aside from addiction. Perhaps stomach irritation. No doubt it's not good if you're using a lot on a daily basis, but don't forget that GHB is approved for sleep in doses of up to 6g per night (4.8mls GBL) over long periods with no expectations of addiction or ill effects.
 
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goku4ever said:
Sorry, what I mean for GBL unreactivity, is like chemically. Its possible to tell by the structure if something is fairly unreactive with other things isn't it?
This is what I meant for GBL.
To me, GBL certainly feels less reactive with other things than alcohol.
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It's not known to chemically react with other drugs in your body to form new drugs like cocaine and alcohol do, apart from things like GBL reacting with enzymes to form GHB.

Of course as you know it's very soluble with a lot of every day materials though. Worse than acetone. It will melt through things alien-style, remove ink from paper. Don't get any on your laptop.
 
Transform said:
It's not worse than acetone at all, acetone is a much better solvent.
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Heh, you confused me with it being not worse than something that's better for a sec. :)

True though, I don't know exactly how soluble it is or how polar. I just remember GBL accidentally dropped seems to make holes in things whereas acetone makes plastic things "sticky", possibly because it evaporates slower or has more surface tension and makes bigger droplets?. But I would treat it the same as acetone as far as storing it and not dropping it on things goes. Of course acetone is safe for skin and occurs in the body, I'm not sure if GBL is the same.
 
an rud is annamh said:
Heh, you confused me with it being not worse than something that's better for a sec. :)

True though, I don't know exactly how soluble it is or how polar. I just remember GBL accidentally dropped seems to make holes in things whereas acetone makes plastic things "sticky", possibly because it evaporates slower or has more surface tension and makes bigger droplets?. But I would treat it the same as acetone as far as storing it and not dropping it on things goes. Of course acetone is safe for skin and occurs in the body, I'm not sure if GBL is the same.
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Acetone dries the skin pretty badly, I'd say its about the same as GBL in that respect.
Acetone evaporates very quickly, whereas GBL hangs around much longer, so that's probably the difference there. I've seen both spilt on a keyboard, and acetone instantly sets to work, causing problems if you wipe it, and white marks where it evaporates (like heating or bending might, to give you an idea). GBL just makes it oily until it evaporates, leaving little trace of being there.
 
Been using GBL quite regularly for past couple of weeks. Aside from clubbing, I find it particularly useful for whenever I'm feeling anti-social but need to make phone calls/ put a friendly face on with people.

Question....
When clubbing I've been making a cocktail of sorts... I get Lucozade or water and mix my 1.7ml GBL with about 300mg mephedrone and drink it. Could mixing the mephedrone in the same drink as the GBL present any problems (e.g. ruining the mephedrone)? I love the combination, just curious about this particular way of orally administrating the two substances.

I'm also curious as to why so many people in clubs seem to prepared to pay for G at extortionate prices off dealers when I thought it was pretty common knowledge that it can be safely bought online for cheap and reliable purity (one of the main advantages of GBL over other drugs imo).
 
I tried this stuff for the first time last night:-

1.5ml on an empty stomach at about 5pm, it hit me like a steam train after about 5 mins and all was well for about 25mins when I started to feel really sick. I started puking, or at least wrechin and it went on and off for about an hour had to go to bed and continued to feel sick for about 3 hours.
I had had a dose of MXE (moxy minx whatever we are calling it this week) about 20hrs prior, could this be the cause or maybe I should have started with a lower dose or had some food first ?? All in all a bit of a let down :(
 
Could a solid dose of MXE plus a solid dose of GBL on an empty stomach with no prior experience cause a lil stomach discomfort and spinnyheadz? Yes it could. In a big way ;)

It's kinda like being on ket then randomly swigging several shots of voddy. Queasy at best, pukey more likely. I'd skip the dissociatives if you are taking GBL if it were me. Or the other way round. Probably the other way round. Or both. But am a drugpig :o
 
Shambles said:
Could a solid dose of MXE plus a solid dose of GBL on an empty stomach with no prior experience cause a lil stomach discomfort and spinnyheadz? Yes it could. In a big way ;)

It's kinda like being on ket then randomly swigging several shots of voddy. Queasy at best, pukey more likely. I'd skip the dissociatives if you are taking GBL if it were me. Or the other way round. Probably the other way round. Or both. But am a drugpig :o
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But it was 20hrs after the MXE, so you still think it could have been that? I'd read up on GBL and though I ws being careful startin on 1.5ml :\
 
Personally 1.5 is a pretty high dose for a first timer. I could see how that would make you sick. Why 1.5? jeebus! :?


I would recommend .5 for a first time. Especially on an empty stomach.
 
Sadie said:
Personally 1.5 is a pretty high dose for a first timer. I could see how that would make you sick. Why 1.5? jeebus! :?


I would recommend .5 for a first time. Especially on an empty stomach.
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Guessin you must be right, I am such a greedy pig and didnt want o have to wait for an hour to redose in the exitiment of a new substance:\

Ahh well we live and learn and I alwasy seem to have to do it the hard way:|

Ahh well todays another day..no harm done=D=D
 
Dose is such a slippery beast with GBL it really is a hard one to pin down at first. I know you read it all the time in these threads but those 0.1ml difference either side really do make a massive difference. So does any stomach content or lack thereof.

After 20 hours it's probably not the MXE (should have read all of those words probably :o8):o) but dose takes a while to sort for most. Mrs Shambles used to puke uncontrollably at first trying to get the dose just right for her. She found her sweet spot and no longer pukes. I never puked to start off with but am an oinking drugpig debauched and depraved to the eyeballs. Practice makes perfect, I'd say. Whether the practice ever actually becomes worthy of the perfection bit is kinda debatable... Or not. Perfect by no means, but good fun. And really not very pukey at all with practice and fine-tuning - even for the ubersensitive tums of some folk like the Occasional Mrs Shambles.
 
have a try at just .5 today. If that doesn't float yer boat, in two hours try .75. Or 1 if yer feelin frisky. Just remember it could go pear shaped at 1. Its very dose sensitive.
 
many thanks to both of you for the advice, I'll give .5 a go a bit later on and see how i get on..the first 20 mins on 1.5 took me by suprise at its strength, I guess I ws a bit cocky and got burnt, its not the first time:o
 
I combined GHB and MXE and found no ill effects, nor any real synergy, I was just a bit of a mess!
I can see how GABA agonists and dissociatives wouldn't go though, because I didn't have much of either (15mg MXE, 2.0mls GBL converted to GHB)
 
atm23 said:
I tried this stuff for the first time last night:-

1.5ml on an empty stomach at about 5pm, it hit me like a steam train after about 5 mins and all was well for about 25mins when I started to feel really sick. I started puking, or at least wrechin and it went on and off for about an hour had to go to bed and continued to feel sick for about 3 hours.
I had had a dose of MXE (moxy minx whatever we are calling it this week) about 20hrs prior, could this be the cause or maybe I should have started with a lower dose or had some food first ?? All in all a bit of a let down :(
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i would say it was the gbl alone. a high dose makes you sick. I think it was just to much for you for the first time. try 1.3ml the next time. if you have a little food some time before it also could help that not all the ghb will hit you at once. just take it slow with this and you´ll love it. this is really something where each ml can feel different...
 
Having got burnt I decided to start low, had a spot of lunch then did .3 caught a bit of a buz waited an hour then did another .3. Gonna shift upto .5 after giving it about another hour and half.
No puking as yet=D
 
^ best way, i got fucked a few times trying to find my sweet spot and was ready to give up, but once you do its all good! =D

Also i was mixing it with irn bru which i loved, but not cannot drink it anymore as i just get the gbl taste even without it, anyone else or just me? 8)
 
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