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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

Originally from http://www.lycaeum.org/~ghbfaq/complete.html:

Death: The lowest estimated LD50 [the dose at which 50% of test subjects suffered fatal consequences] for GHB I have seen is 1100mg/kg* [1], although I believe this to be incorrect as Mamelak reports monkeys to have received 1000mg/kg without apparent harm [2]. In an average human, 1100mg/kg would be over 66g* GHB, or 22 active doses, taken all at once! If you don't mix alcohol and GHB, this just don't happen, folks.

[1] Galloway, Grantt; Frederick, S L; Gonzales, Marco; et al . "Gamma-hydroxybutyrate: an emerging drug of abuse that causes physical dependence". Addiction . 1997. 92(1). 98-96.

[2] Mamelak, Mortimer. "Gamma-hydroxybutyrate: and endogenous regulator of energy metabolism". Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews . 1989. 13. 187-98.

I hope this puts your mind at ease, unfortunately I can't offer any insight into what one might experience at high doses as I have no experience with the compound myself. Stay safe.
 
I would just like to ask that I hope there is no reason for us to be concerned that you're asking this question?
Because, as you are more than fully aware of, our aim is harm reduction and my personal wish is that you're asking this question to stay safe rather than anything else <3

p.s. I've not seen you post here in quite a while TJuice, so it's nice to see you about :)

p.p.s. Keep safe hun.
 
Know this OP, because your question smacks of no experience..

Lets say your normal optimum dose is 3.0.

This would generally mean that if you take 3.1/3.2......you will start passing out. Safely, but unconscious.

LD figure is (roughly speaking) 66.0

'The experience' of being near the OD level will be unknown to you. Its unconsciousness all the way up from 3.2 (using my figures)

HOWEVER

if you'd asked 'whats the experience like on a near-unconsciousness dose' (which is the same as optimum dose - the 2 experiences are separated by the width of a rizla) - the optimum dose experience is euphoric.
 
Im sorry to post in a dead thread, but I really can't find the newest GBL megathread. And searching for "GBL" in the topic titles does nothing.
 
This is the most recent GBL Megathread goku4ever. What is it that you would like to ask or tell?
 
You ar right I have no experience of this drug whatsoever however I know enought to know that I was spiked with it on saturday night and had the most horrendous experience Ive ever had. I cant say dosage for real though but if I was so to say small water bottle between 330ml & 500ml would that be too high? Sounds a lot but I was at a party and became a complete mess pretty quickly. Total mentalist, had to go back to the hotel at 2pm. I did keep passing out and then coming round again briefly before passing out until morning.

Not an experience I'd like to repeat.
 
I cant say dosage for real though but if I was so to say small water bottle between 330ml & 500ml would that be too high?

No, because you could dilute it in any amount of water.

Thing is, its almost impossible not to taste GHB. Kinda like salty cum. That's why most of the stories about it being used as a 'spike' are false.

You cannot miss the taste. If it didn't taste like I described then it weren't GHB.

Not doubting you were spiked. But, presuming you weren't raped, why would someone do it to you? Shit and giggles? Find out who did it and kill them.
 
Moved the GHB question into this Megathread as they are very similar. Any problems PM me.
 
wtf, lord knows how I got so muddled up then. I could have sworn the last post on the last page was like months old o_0. Im going crazy in my old age. Anywho, after months off of it I have ordered a very small amount. I couldn't resist!
 
No, because you could dilute it in any amount of water.

Thing is, its almost impossible not to taste GHB. Kinda like salty cum. That's why most of the stories about it being used as a 'spike' are false.

GBL is even more pungent. You'd have to be drinking a heavily flavoured drink and already be pretty drunk to not notice.
 
^^^

Most but not all I know someone who had a very lucky escape from what must have been a GHB spiking, it was only a caring taxi driver that saved her from god knows what:|
 
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woo its arrived. Its been 256 days since I last had GBL, but here goes nothing! Its been so long Ive forgotten what its like!
 
I still have some G in the UK I ordered years ago when it was legal, looking forward to having some when i go back for xmess, gona see my girlfriend etc. This stuff was from the old UK shipping stuff AFnetwork or whatever, and is still top notch.

Currently living in Spain and i am pretty sure GBL is perfectly legal here still, although GHB might well be scheduled. Just had a quick look around for G online though, and there doesn't seem to be as many places selling smaller amounts (125-250ml) which is annoying, it's also more expensive and apparently half of it is crap? What's the crack with that?? This whole german vs chinese thing sounds totally dodgy and shit. It's either decent, pure GBL at 99.9% or whatever, or it's not. Not too keen to spend a fair bit on 500ml only for it to be garbage, so not too sure what to do. Advice?
 
Here's how I think it is:

Both types are of high purity, 99%+ but there is an impurity which smells and tastes really quite bad, even in tiny amounts.

The Chinese don't bother getting rid of it and the Germans supposedly do, which is where the difference lies. You'll still get G'd don't worry.


I don't know what it is, but I believe at least some of it can be removed by treatment with a strong acid for a few days at room temp then enough base to just neutralise it.

Make up some saturated brine and add it to the G, along with some extra salt. The two liquids will not mix, but the impurities seem to dissolve into the brine phase (the bottom layer) and the top GBL layer is left tasting and smelling better than it did before.
 
I was looking into this stuff. Mainly because I like to drink lots of beer and cider and that really isn't the most healthy option each weekend - it's also fairly expensive. This seems to be much easier dosing wise and much healthier diet wise than beer/cider. However, I'm interested in seeing if it would suit what I'm after, is this stuff fairly safe when compared to alcohol provided the dosages are carried out correctly? You can't mix this with alcohol at all as far as I'm aware, so having 1-2 beers on top of this stuff is a no go? What about other chemicals, I mainly take MDMA/Benzos/Acid but it would be good to hear what things it doesn't interact well with health wise.
 
GBL made me feel numb, slightly sedated and somewhat melancholy / dipped mood... heh

Completely flattened the speed buzz..

Cool tho :)
 
Strictly no beers. I have seen this combo catch out veterans many times.

I have only twice had an incident with it, once where I had already had some, prepared a bottle for two, and then forgot, absent mindedly swigging it as we travelled to our destination. I passed out, then woke up, threw up, was taken home, threw up again, and went to sleep. I felt fine the next day.

The other incident I think was simply being new to it, having a little too much as GHB, and it wound my stomach up. I got home fine, threw up, cleaned up and went to bed. I think that was more due to stomach irritation than intoxication though.

I have done worse many times on alcohol, so I'd say they're roughly even in the dosing challenge department.

I would treat it like alcohol for mixing with uppers/psychs, personally I wouldn't bother with MDMA and acid, and benzos sounds like a bad idea.
 
Is there any known problem in mixing GBL with SSRIs? I used to take GBL a lot a few months ago before I went onto my anti-depressants and don't remember ever over-heating. But lately I get really warm on it. Its december, I have my bedroom window open, Im wearing jeans and a t-shirt and I get really warm, borderline sweating. When Im in bed I get very sweaty. My place is usually quite warm, but not that warm.
Also, I think the GBL I have is the chinese stuff, not the German stuff. Before my dose was about 1.75ml but now for the same effects Im having to dose at about 2.5ml for the same effects (including sedation effects). And its not as sleepy as it used to be.

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Also, I think Ive been having G-Shock when I go to sleep or something. I just woke up and went toilet and Ive got scratches on my right leg and a blood clot.

Another edit (2 hours later):

FUCK that was scary Heres my dosing schedule over the last few hours (I wanted to get to sleep):

05:04 - 2.25ml taken (11.25ml total)
05:16 - 0.25ml taken (11.50ml total)
06:00 - 1.50ml taken (13.00ml total)
06:33 - 2.00ml taken (15.00ml total)

I laid down, closed my eyes, opened my eyes and it was 2 hours later. Normally it at least feel like time has passed but for all I know I got up and did a load of stuff whilst out.
 
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