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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

kate said:
Sometimes it takes a long period of all or nothing, the nothing being where you rewire the brain cells. Going back to recreational is doable, I do believe so, as I have done such. I dabble in my favoured drugs monthly at a minimum now (not G - I'd never go back there, the ROI is shite, honest the stuff is crap alloy cleaner lets face it). Keep at it, its worth it, it takes a while but you can get there and stay alive <3
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Fortunately i never really went beyond recreational with G, used it for about a week or so dayly, no w/ds upon stopping, no serious cravings. All thanks to the EADD community as otherwise i probably would have carried on until id got myself truly pickled or addicted to that stuff, i also reduced my etiz dose whilst i was taking G and didnt take both at the same time (it may not seem like it but i do pay some thought to safety ;)) I think im a bit of a worrier tbh about my heart and breathing, whether im on stims or downers but i dont often let on about that kind of stuff, so it may appear as if im completelty reckless and careless, but i dont beleieve that really is the case.

Anyway, thanks for your support and kind words. It means a lot you know. :D

Did you mean back to recreational use with other stuff? Well yeah maybe with kratom, but ive tried that about a dozen times, and keep slipping into dayly use for too long 8(, completely impossible i would expect for me and benzos, that will have to be total abstenanince if and when i finally stop. Maybe that just leaves stims and opis. I think it would be the price of opis more than anything that would make me very wary about addiction. Weed and noids dont agree with me, i cant take serotonin releasing substances due to my meds. So im sure you can see why G appealed so much.
 
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I'm gonna chime in too and say well done for pouring it. That's not easily done while you're using it and enjoying it.

G is great fun in the short term, but in the long term there's absolutely nothing good about it. It can be a life ruiner in several ways. Keep it up and please don't be tempted to reorder it as a "treat". If only they sold it in small enough measures to make that a viable or sensible option. :\
 
It does seem like this is one drug a lot of people have had a hard time with, myself included to be honest. I guess I can count myself incredibly lucky that although I love it, if I ever take more than 1.5ml in one go, or within a couple of hours, it makes me feel incredibly seasick and gives me a pounding head, generally very unpleasant. Because of this my maximum dose ever is 1.5ml, but usually I take maybe 1ml at a time, or perhaps 1.25 to get me started. There have been multiple periods of many months where I've taken GBL constantly, from within half an hour of getting up right throughout the day every couple of hours until it's time to go to bed. Oddly I never seem to have significant problems waking up in the middle of the night. Or at least not more so than usual, since I normally wake up a few times every night anyway. It's never generally kept me awake.

So even after long periods of dosing like this (I guess the only time my body got close to free of the drug was overnight, particularly if I had a long sleep in), I've never had noticably bad physical withdrawal symptoms. I mean, I've definitely felt the desire to take the drug again after coming off it, but none of the horrific WD symptoms I've heard others talk about. I guess I've just been extremely lucky in that my body has never built up more than a base level tolerance since my doses never went up. To be completely honest I've had a much harder time kicking my pretty serious caffeine habit, and I honestly think that I would take diet Coke over GBL if it came down to choosing tomorrow. That said, I don't deny that my usage pattern has certainly been addictive, abusive, and foolish.

I don't take this situation for granted, though. It's obviously never a good idea to take a drug day in day out, and we all know that. If we convince ourselves we can get away with it then we are fools and will eventually suffer the consequences.
 
Anyone know if there's any cross tolerance between G and benzos? Since my brief little dabble (5-7 days, fairly low doses, no 24x7 dosing) etiz doesnt seem to be working as a hypnotic atall anymore? I dunno if this is mainly because my sleep pattern is still fucked, not waking till 11:30 am etc so its gonna be obvious that i wont be able to sleep until 4am the next night anyway.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Anyone know if there's any cross tolerance between G and benzos? Since my brief little dabble (5-7 days, fairly low doses, no 24x7 dosing) etiz doesnt seem to be working as a hypnotic atall anymore? I dunno if this is mainly because my sleep pattern is still fucked, not waking till 11:30 am etc so its gonna be obvious that i wont be able to sleep until 4am the next night anyway.
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I think the answer is yes, something to do with gaba receptors - but you really need someone like Treacle to provide an informed, detailed response. You could try Pm'ing him, he has wealth of knowledge, great guy.

All I can say from experience is I ended up with a xanax addiction trying to come off G. Ended up taking quite hefty doses between still using and trying to come off. Sleep was a major problem, that and I had to be functional during the day. Then it took a fucking age to come of the xanax.
 
Cheers Kate. I really need to get my body-clock sorted first of all, as yet i dont really know if thats what causing the issue, or if it was the G mini binge that did it. Considering that i didnt noticeably increase my G tolerance or have any w/ds afterwards i think its a bit soon to be laying the blame there.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Cheers Kate. I really need to get my body-clock sorted first of all, as yet i dont really know if thats what causing the issue, or if it was the G mini binge that did it. Considering that i didnt noticeably increase my G tolerance or have any w/ds afterwards i think its a bit soon to be laying the blame there.
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I think I'm overly cautious about G now after being in such a mess with it for too long, hence why I panic about you taking it. It's one of the most addictive substance I've every fucked up with and I've had a fair few over the years :\

It's maybe a "compound" effect with all the many parts of your drug use becoming a greater negative whole in their impact iykwim. Aye get your circadian rhythms sorted and a lot else can be sorted.

I worry about you <3 I freak every time I see you in this thread 8)
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Please dont worry about me Kate. I have a feeling that my catastrophic misadventures, fuckups, and mistakes get noticed much more than all the other occasions that pass by without any incident. I have learnt a lot from my mistakes and catastrophies, please beleive me.
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I believe you. That's the trouble with eadd, we normalise things here that in normal-everyday folks that would appear extreme drug use. But I don't think of you in negative terms at all, completely opposite actually, your a man who's a life learner %)

I'm just sensitive about the G-thing, so that's my issue not yours x
 
yoyo50 said:
Once you've been through a few gbl wd's, i wouldn't wish that upon anyone
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It's so easy to slip into isn't it :\ I appreciate in the scheme of things they say - "well it doesn't last long", but those physical withdrawals are brutal. Psychologically they're a terror. I still think and crave the stuff and I've not had any for a while now...but still think about it way too often :|

That's the scary bit about G if you get caught..it imprints on your mind for ever.
 
You guys ever wondered if one could turn it into GHB, seems less toxic than this GBL ?
 
Well you don't have to wonder as gbl is the precursor to ghb, never done it myself but i do belive people report less withdrawls than gbl
don't quote me on this but from what i remember reading somewhere it might have something to do with the plasma in the blood
it's very easy a quick google will tell you how, you can probably find it on here too not sure if that's considered a synth question tho
 
It is easily converted but neither is toxic if used sensibly.

The slowed onset of GHB can make addiction and withdrawals less severe.
 
so whats the general consensus on GBL, a fun party drug thats very easy to slide into addiction with?us americans are stuck with Bdo...ive never done Gbl but from whats been said, the high is more intense than Bdo but doesnt last as long, maybe an hour tops?is this true?surely Gbl sticks around for a few hours right?
 
In my experience it mainly depends how long you've been redosing for but an hour or so is about as long as I'd go between redoses after the first day or so. I'm a 24/7 binge kinda guicer though - if you (somehow) only take one-off doses or keep it to one night or the like you'd probably stretch that out to 2-4h or thereabouts. Bear in mind it's dirt cheap per dose (pennies) and it's a bit all or nothing really - you're either wasted, feeling no different or unconscious. It's fairly self-limiting in that regard. Also, people vary widely in their metabolism of it so some need only minimal amounts whilst others need far more. GHB lasts quite a bit longer but is less intense in terms of effects. Somewhat analagous to crack vs powder coke.

Am considering redipping my toe (my metaphorical toe - the real one would get a bit sore) back into the geebee pool. It's one of few drugs I can abuse the hell out of without getting into any real problems (so far - am well aware the vast majority do run into problems but - for whatever reason - I just don't seem to). It's great for mood and energy and does keep a bit of a lid on the boozing... not as much of a lid as it should but that's something I think I could work on. Certainly seems less damaging than ethanol in my particular case.
 
Im having a nightmare with sleep following GBL use, even after fairly moderate use last night, must have been 5ml tops spaced over 6 or 7 hours, last dose was around 9pm, could feel it wearing off around 12-1 am so took some benzos and went to bed. Two hours later still awake, took some more benzos still awake, same thing @ 6am, finally managed to get to sleep around 7am but had to get up @ 10 anyway for an appointment.

Does anyone else have this problem with G?

To compound things it also seems to completely negate the effect of benzos, i trust this shouldnt be a long term effect, especially after ive only used G fairly moderately for a few days on and off. Longest 'run' has been 2 or 3 days. And just dabbled 2 or 3 more times since. The results have always been the same, in terms of not being able to get to sleep after it wears off, apart from the first night that i switched to diclaz, after etiz had failed me the night before, 7mg of diclaz worked well enough to give me atleast 6 hours solid kip, but only on first use. :\

For better or for worse it seems that im not going to be able to fit G into my life as it takes up far too much of it, the consumption part is good, the not being able to sleep for 15 hours thing, even with benzos sucks, its just gonna fuck up my sleep and chances of ever getting anything done, cos i'll end up needing to catch up on my sleep right through the day, waking up @ 10pm or something awful like that. :( Unless i go the 'hardcore route'of 24/7 dosing, using the stuff to help you to sleep, which seems to be where a lot of the problems start, and not something i willingly and knowingly want to get myself into, this is looking like it may be one of the briefest drug love affairs ive ever had. :(

I guess i could just stick to very occasional use at times when i have a whole week of work, and nothing better to do and things like that, but otherwise its not gonna work. Fucks up with day to day routines and functioning far too much. Maybe im just hyper sensitive to the after effects ? I havent seen anyone else say that it keeps them awake longer than 3 hours after it wears off. 8(
 
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