GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

[Treacle]

Can we not be so specific please, synth discussion is not allowed.


.....thanks....as you were

I think telling people about pure ingredients to use, if they must convert their GBL, is harm reduction. No one mentioned how to synth anything. You must see this might save someone from necking something seriously dangerous.

 

[Allein]

I think telling people about pure ingredients to use, if they must convert their GBL, is harm reduction. No one mentioned how to synth anything. You must see this might save someone from necking something seriously dangerous.

Is there an echo in here ? I've ready addressed this but as you insist in harping on

It's ridiculously easy to convert, with easily purchased caustic soda (sodium hydroxide) and litmus paper. I know nothing much about chemistry, but it is very simple.

that says a lot more than purity of a product, in fact it doesn't even mention it, take a look I haven't applied <snip> to any posts, although yours is saling pretty close to the wind.

There is simply no need to give details at the level you have, this information is easily available elsewhere but it by definition not allowed to be discussed here. I made a polite request that people consider the rules and post within them, maybe next time I'll just remove all the posts that I deem to be drifting into to that area as the response would be much the same

 

[Doperide]

I did over two years of 24/7 of this shit, without my parents, girlfriend, friends and coworkers knowing.. I had only one break when i tapered down and went 1 week without, then started again. Lots of other drugs too of course.

But now i think i have managed to kick the habit for good. At the start i was taking 1.7 ml every 1.5 hours, but was very strict with my tapering, lowering the dose 0.1ml a day and never did more. It got harder, when i reached 0.7 mark, it just didn`t ease the withdrawals any more.
Then i got a script for clonazepam and started taking that every morning. It helped immensely, and i resumed my minus 0.1 a day plan. I hopped off when the doses reached 0.1 ml.

I had last dose three days ago. I have been still taking clonazepam, but i start tapering that in a few days.

I suffered barely any symptoms while tapering, only general tiredness and lack of motivation to do anything productive. The fact that i have been working at the time, made it little harder, but nothing that i couldn`t manage.
Now i feel little uneasy at times, also tired, but in general quite good. I know that complete recovery takes time, but i can see things getting better.

Now comes the hardest part - staying away from this drug. I just can`t be trusted with it. This and MDPV, especially together. I mean, i can control myself very well on these drugs, but i cant control my intake. Like a rat pushing a leaver. Everything goes till its gone. The problem with GBL was that it wasn`t never gone, it was always a litre waiting, just in case.

 

[Treacle]

Is there an echo in here ? I've ready addressed this but as you insist in harping on



that says a lot more than purity of a product, in fact it doesn't even mention it, take a look I haven't applied <snip> to any posts, although yours is saling pretty close to the wind.

There is simply no need to give details at the level you have, this information is easily available elsewhere but it by definition not allowed to be discussed here. I made a polite request that people consider the rules and post within them, maybe next time I'll just remove all the posts that I deem to be drifting into to that area as the response would be much the same

When someone says MDMA is made with safrole, etc. I don't see any mods crying about synth discussion. It's like saying you can make cakes with eggs, butter, flour and milk - but you're fucked if you don't have a recipe. I listed some ingredients, not instructions. I just thought your response was over the top, but I'm already of the opinion that you like that mod-stick a little too much. You've moaned at me more than any other mod, in my whole time here, and it's fucking irritating. I'm well aware of the rules - been here a decade, never had a warning. Feel free to PM me (again), if you're unhappy with any part of this post.

Sorry to others for spoiling the thread.

 

[The Quad]

When someone says MDMA is made with safrole, etc. I don't see any mods crying about synth discussion. It's like saying you can make cakes with eggs, butter, flour and milk - but you're fucked if you don't have a recipe. I listed some ingredients, not instructions. I just thought your response was over the top, but I'm already of the opinion that you like that mod-stick a little too much. You've moaned at me more than any other mod, in my whole time here, and it's fucking irritating. I'm well aware of the rules - been here a decade, never had a warning. Feel free to PM me (again), if you're unhappy with any part of this post.

Sorry to others for spoiling the thread.

For what it's worth (probably not much), I often read this forum and feel as though I actually have a pretty good take on a lot of the common posters on here. You (probably as much as anyone on this board) have consistently offered your opinions/experience/advice and understanding in regards to harm reduction in this thread.

As I say it's not worth a wet wank but I find the mods 'telling off' as extremely strange.

I'm sure your advice has helped lots of people mate and like you I don't see the relevance of the mod stick.

Keep up the good work mate, you always go to the effort to help people with your experience of this drug.

 

[Allein]

Treacle clearly has a bit of a chip on his shoulder I'm afriad.

If this constitutes a telling off in yours or anyone's book I suggest going away and growing a thicker skin.

Can we not be so specific please, synth discussion is not allowed.


.....thanks....as you were

I did my best to smooth the watersin my following post but hostilities continued, totally unprovoked if you would like to review the actual words rather than the bitter ranting.


Shalk we return to the subject at hand, you are welcome to PM me or any of the other mod team with you complaints

 

[The Quad]

Treacle clearly has a bit of a chip on his shoulder I'm afriad.

If this constitutes a telling off in yours or anyone's book I suggest going away and growing a thicker skin.




I did my best to smooth the watersin my following post but hostilities continued, totally unprovoked if you would like to review the actual words rather than the bitter ranting.


Shalk we return to the subject at hand, you are welcome to PM me or any of the other mod team with you complaints

Not really a complaint just an observation.

I shall grow thicker skin - thanks for the advice. Could be a real life changer.

 

[Treacle]

You're a bit older than a few on here, aren't you, Quad? Still, it must be nice to get some tips on life, from a mod, who is probably quite a bit younger than yourself. The perks of being a member of Bluelight.

 

[Doperide]

Two YEARS??? Jesus christ... Good job man. I am totally blown away by the fact you managed it without anybody knowing. I'm amazed you say you suffered hardly any symptoms. It very much seems like some people can handle it, others (eg., me) need very little to go into withdrawals.

I'm sure you know, but beware of swapping one addiction (G) for another (clonazepam).

Well i went into withdrawals very easily too, but i got solution do it - i just kept taking it. 2 hours without and withdrawals were unbearable.
After some time you learn to act absolutely normal on it, and i didn`t do stupid doses, 1.7 ml every 1.5 hours or so.

Its day four without, didn`t sleep very well with 100mg quetiapine but everything else is ok, lowered the dose of clonazepam by 0.5mg too.

Im feel rather okay but im so bored and don`t want to do anything, even play computer games or read. Everything was just much more interestin while on G.

 

[Doperide]

It gets easyer to stay away in month or two, because it`s getting banned here. I am drinking alcohol, but it`s few beers in an evening so not a problem. Also not every evening. I am trying to substitude with some exercise and healthy food too, because i have gain a little weight cause of G and quetiapine.

I can enjoy other drugs without problems, only G and MDPV have me going on mad binges, mdpv even worst than G. Luckily it isn`t available here any more. (got 0.5g about three weeks ago by pure coincidence actually. Smoked that shit in four days 0_o.)

 

[yoyo50]

Well after a week of tapering and feeling shit for a few days i stopped using GBL, altho ive been drinking a bit more mostly to kill the boredom, i can actually sleep for 7 hours without waking up every 2 hours :D
Just getting that much sleep is worth stopping alone, cheers guys

 

[angelsmoke]

So I got back into daily (but just evenings, not 24/7 - probably 3-4ml in an evening) use of GBL. I'd thought about tipping it all away a few times, but always when fucked, and it was a decision I wanted to make sober. Which I did, on Sunday I poured the remainder down the loo and washed out the bottles. Even though I wasn't doing it 24/7 I was starting to use it when doing normal stuff. On the Saturday I drove to the supermarket on it, had very poor control of the trolley and probably generally looked a bit fucked. It didn't feel like a long step from there to doing small amounts at work - so that's why I got rid.

I didn't suffer physically from withdrawals, but the mental side of it has been harder than I expected. Didn't take long for me to go through the bin to find the empty bottle. It had bits of old food stuck to it and smelt like bin, but I rinsed the contents into a glass and drank it hoping for G residue. Wasn't any, just water that tasted like bin.

So when that failed, I hit the booze. Drank on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday. Drinking just enough to get me to a similar state of mind as G would put me in. Except alcohol fucks with your inhibitions and reasoning more than G does (at doses of ~0.75ml), so it's more risky in my view. I think I made a mistake chucking the G away, in order to not make it a mistake I've really got to pin down the alcohol use before it becomes a problem of its own. I think for most people having a few beers instead of some G is fine -- but I have a history with alcohol abuse that I really don't want to repeat.

It's partly due to boredom -- the nights I didn't drink, I hung out with friends or want salsa dancing. Didn't feel any need to drink or dose up on any G then -- but at home, after work, to relax.... it feels like G time. I need to untrain my brain from thinking that relax=G. On G, I'd play computer games, watch tv, sometimes read a bit. Nothing in there that can't be done sober. But it's like you say Doperide -- those things just aren't as interesting/appealing without G.

I don't seem to be sleeping much better. Even on nights with no booze, I still wake up in the middle of the night drenched in "G sweat". But a cycle of hangovers and drunkenness probably accounts for that.

It's mostly the boredom of being sober that I don't know how to handle. I should be able to relax at home without craving G. When I quit drinking the first time round, exercise did help _a lot_. It'd put me in a different, more relaxed frame of mind, taking away the pressing need to get high.

 

[Allein]

You're a bit older than a few on here, aren't you, Quad? Still, it must be nice to get some tips on life, from a mod, who is probably quite a bit younger than yourself. The perks of being a member of Bluelight.

So Treacle exactly how old do you think I am ??, I'd guess I have a good few years on yourself.

Personally I put little store on age and find i have much to learn from almost everyone I meet.

Don't you think it's about time you dropped all this one sided animosity towards me, it's getting very old, I may moderate here but I'm also a person with nothing but good intentions for this place.

The constant digs and unpleasant comments are both unkind and unnecessary, if you don't like something I've done then PM me or another member of the staff and it will be considered.

Take a moment to consider how you would react if I were posting derogatory digs and comments about you all the time, you'd be the first to start bleeting about it.

Shall we draw a line here, I have no issue with you if you have one with me then can we take it to PM please.

 

[FlippingTop]

I don't think mods are allowed to have feelings atm23.

Also talking about feelings is on par with synth chat.

 

[Treacle]

So Treacle exactly how old do you think I am ??, I'd guess I have a good few years on yourself.

Personally I put little store on age and find i have much to learn from almost everyone I meet.

Don't you think it's about time you dropped all this one sided animosity towards me, it's getting very old, I may moderate here but I'm also a person with nothing but good intentions for this place.

The constant digs and unpleasant comments are both unkind and unnecessary, if you don't like something I've done then PM me or another member of the staff and it will be considered.

Take a moment to consider how you would react if I were posting derogatory digs and comments about you all the time, you'd be the first to start bleeting about it.

Shall we draw a line here, I have no issue with you if you have one with me then can we take it to PM please.

Sorry, but I believe this is the second thread in which I have said something. What constant digs are you talking about? I've said a few things in this thread, but I've hardly called you a cunt, have I? Honestly, I just feel that you're sometimes a bit too hasty with your 'powers'. I have no problem with you, either, and I've always enjoyed your posts - I think I got a bit carried away, but another poster did say something similar. I think my hatred of authority is shining through, because you used to be a mere mortal, and now you can boss me about.

Let's let this rest now. I take the intertubes too seriously. Sorry for cluttering up the thread with nonsense.

 

[Doperide]

I am tapering my clonazepam and i think the acute withdrawal from my 2 year 24/7 is over, because i can sleep with quater of a dose of quetiapine (50 mg) without waking up. That being said, i absolutely feel like shit all day. It`s a slight nausea, combined with irritability, lack of energy, lack of motivation, feeling cold etc. I tought, that maybe i am withdrawing from clonazepam now, but that isn`t the case. Took a full dose and nothing, i feel still the same.

I have been hammering mdma and ecstasy heavily on weekends, in fact almost every weekend, some speed too, so this isn`t helping my situation either. Went a little overboard this weekend, and still feeling the brain zaps.

Few beers a day seem to ease the situation a bit.

I thing that i have to stop all drugs for a while, and let the body heal itself. Damn, i have been taking quetiapine 2 years just to sleep on gbl and it has taken it`s tall - have gained a few pounds and can`t sleep wihout some drug assisting me. Have been tapering quetiapine too.

It`s getting hard to distinquish what is causing the symptoms with this coctail of drugs.

But im getting it. It`s naive to be in a constant two-year addiction and hope, that you are absolutely ok few weeks later.
As shit as i feel, i deeply belive that things are getting better. That is why i am not doing GBL now. Damn, i even have a bottle, but im just not touching it.
I have a vacation coming on, so i can relax a little bit more and get out of the stressful work environment at least for a while.

 

[Treacle]

You're doing well, if you can sleep. You might have some residual symptoms, for maybe a week - but, believe it or not, you can get over G and MDMA abuse very quickly. The brain is an amazing tool. It adapts. You should feel fine soon.

 

[Allein]

Thanks Treacle, you observations are quite correct, I have jumped in unnesesearily both in general chat and in flexing my mod powers for which I apologise. I had felt you had a bit of needle with me so was over-sensitive to your comments, I've a lot of respect for you and your knowledge and the valued help you provide people specifically on the subject of GBL /GHB withdrawal of which I know you are very knowledgeable .

It feels like the right time to end all old hostilities, we both have only good to offer here and I for one will be ensuring I make no unnecessary digs at yourself and that I take your constructive and informed feedback as it is intended, I'm not suggesting we become best buddies but I would like to considerer you a friend, we have both been about here for a long while.


Back on topic I spend at least 8 years full on the rave scene, I dread to think how many pills I did ( I worked this out once for s survey and it was many humdreds) this ws on top of amphetamines and later coke and booze as well as other stimulant in later years.

I jusy we neverknow how much of all this has ledme to have such terrible insomnia and other mental health issue, its a complex situation, GBL and GHB don;t agree with me, both make me puke at low doses so Benzos became my solution, same deal different receptors !

I finally stopped taking my beloved Diaz back in June after an aggressive taper, it;s helped my general well being but my sleep is still a problem, as it has been for many many years, I'm still convinced Im better off dealing with the sleep issue than the substance addiction.

Best of luck with all you endeavours, juts don't beat yourself up if it doesn't all happen at once...BL is great for insomnia BTW

 

[Doperide]

Today i found out, what was causing those nasty withdrawal symptoms - i cant taper all drugs at once. The problem is with quetiapine. For a last few days i took only 50mg instead of my 200mg, and was feeling worse every day. Took 200mg yesterday and wow, i am feeling good. It was stressful day at work, but it was a breeze compared to the few days before. The gbl withdrawal isn`t causing any problems and i only took 0.5 clonazepam today, and i still feel fine. Its a huge relief for me, because gbl withdrawal should have been over by now. Im not 100% yet, but good 85 i think.

I start tapering quetiapine, when i am done with clonazepam (next week i think) and i plan to do it slowly. I have been taking seroquel daily (or nightly) over two years.

 

[doorknob]

Right so I got a few doses of this to have a play with. 1.5ml was ok, felt abit drunk/happy for 30 mins then nothing. 2ml was much the same, maybe lasted an hour. I'm 90kg at 6'5, when's ok to redose? I don't really wanna knock myself out, so I've avoided any experimentation. Would 2 hours after original dose be ok?

What about 2ml then 1ml 2 hours later?

Also, having read the first few pages it seems it should taste like utter shit even when mixed. 2ml has a tiny, hardly noticeable taste in a pint of fizzy pop, likely my solvent is cut?