Misc Gang stalking

[Hexenstahl]

If you lived in the USA, you'd know that the culture here is enough to drive one insane.

Not insane enough to make a person who was a non-violent individual throughout all his life, suddenly develop intrusive fantasies about abducting underage girls, torture them in a minivan in the most gruesome ways imaginable, kill them because that is the only way he can get his rocks off for some weird, obscure reason, and then somehow lose 80% of his murder related memories including what happened to the tapes he recorded the killings on. No, I'm sorry but that is not "culture" my friend, that is something entirely different, something very intentionally done to these people and something we are not told about. Instead we get this nonsensical bullshit fairytale hogwash about what SKs are. Trust me, read the book with an open and unprejudiced mind and I guarantee you will see this topic from a totally different perspective. I used to think like you...

EDIT:
read the transcript of the one audio recording the feds found in his van. There is an unidentified third person who is obviously giving the killer post-hypnotic instructions of what to do and how to FEEL about what he does.

 

[fuckabout89]

Not insane enough to make a person who was a non-violent individual throughout all his life, suddenly develop intrusive fantasies about abducting underage girls, torture them in a minivan in the most gruesome ways imaginable, kill them because that is the only way he can get his rocks off for some weird, obscure reason, and then somehow lose 80% of his murder related memories including what happened to the tapes he recorded the killings on. No, I'm sorry but that is not "culture" my friend, that is something entirely different, something very intentionally done to these people and something we are not told about. Instead we get this nonsensical bullshit fairytale hogwash about what SKs are. Trust me, read the book with an open and unprejudiced mind and I guarantee you will see this topic from a totally different perspective. I used to think like you...

Id watch the X Files episode Wetwire its similar thing.

 

[Hexenstahl]

Id watch the X Files episode Wetwire its similar thing.

Oh yeah, they tell us the truth in "fiction". It's called predictive programming.

 

[streaM Freak]

There are technologies that work in ways that aren't disclosed to the public. And yeah, media is a great way to normalize things and plant ideas.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Interesting. It's almost as if getting busted for growing weed is like a rite of passage for them to start stalking & harassing people.

It was my father who was growing technically but the circumstances leading to them getting the knowledge made it quite obvious that I was at least aware of the situation. A 'friends' (RIP) older brother broke and entered than got busted with fresh pot at school and snitched on the family but my father being a man (RIP) accepted a deal where he would not prosecute the rich kid and all the friends involved in the B&E's if they only put charges on him.

They treated me as if I had just killed somebody or was some mad man trying to poison an entire town or something. It was pure psychopathy.
Like snarling dogs excited to chomp down on a dying animal.

Yes. They never stopped following me, I dont believe our phone line was ever clear and just about the minute I turned 18 they kicked the door in again with a "no knock" boiler plate warrant under the patriot act. Pretty extreme way to bust a 17 year old with a little over an 8th of brick weed and absolutely 0 dollars.

They kept asking where my money was and I kept tellin em I had none and there like "No we didn't find a single dollar in this house how are you gunna eat" ---- " I assume I am going to be fed by you guys and the taxpayers tonight to be honest " (Hehe that was a good un)

At that time I believe I was 17 or had just turned 18 -- they did not arrest me that night and waited about another 4 months! (Idk why couple theories 1. Figure id go right back to w/e they suspected me of and gather more evidence 2. to make me look like I snitched. 3. to wait until I was 18 to make sure when they arrested me I had no minor privelages

I mean, we're talking about a system that will happily ruin a young adults life oer growing a plant. Them doing much worse really isn't as far-fetched as people think it is.

True they have never stopped harassing me.... When I calculate the amount of money they must have spent on me v the charges they were actually able to push --- I gotta think its an L for them...but they got infinite money and resources so I imagine they see it differently.

Sure they get alot of money for fines and shit but a raid is expensive. Surveillence; well was expensive -- I forget what they call it but the most common kind of surveillance where they WANT YOU TO KNOW THEY ARE WATCHING AND FOLLOWING YOU is pretty cost intensive.

Now days I imagine we all bugged cellphone or not. TV's found with camera's in em, computers be listening to ppl and recording (Is that true?), facial recognition A.I palindir(Sp), the vans that thermal scan your house when they drive by......its fuckered.

So basically if I wanna be on social media, I'm not allowed to express myself, talk about REAL world problems or speak my mind, without being kicked off. So obviously only drug war fear mongering is allowed on there. If people like me who are trying to speak the truth or share my life experience aren't able to do so, then all the information on that platform will clearly be curated & only "information" that paints certain pictures & pushes certain narratives will be aloud.

I'm glad I'm not a young person today, because if things are this dystopian for me at 40, then imagine what people are gonna have to deal with in another 30 years. Say goodbye to any illusions of 'freedom'. And humanity is sleepily (and stupidly) walking right into whatever may come, because everyone's gonna be afraid to step out of line or have different opinions, in fear of being ostracized all over the place.

I hear you I imagine we are the same age and I dumped my FB account a couple years ago --- kept getting hacked. Maliciously, found a message from "Me" to the local hospital saying I was having a nervous breakdown and to send someone!! So that had to go and I had to inform people I would NEVER be FACEBOOKING IN A SERIOUS SITUATION! ( That feels 'gang stalking' adjacent at least and I did not like it )

Thank god I think they already knew I dont FB seriously by the lack of phone and email address.

At this point, I'm just trying to live out the last of my days in peace & seclusion.

I have lived the last 8 years or so in total seclusion. We literally moved out to a little place with 40 acres where we are the only people on the street, gotta turn off the highway and drive like a full mile to get to the house down a dirt road than down a long driveway. (Want horsegates but they SURPRISINGLY EXPENSIVE, shit I thought I could find some old ones laying around!)

Seclusion was the goal and I succeeded brilliantly -- After 9-10 years it is gets pretty boring. It is peaceful and in some of the most beautiful nature you could imagine.

Unfortunately since we got our dear leader the cost of living has became too high. Lost medicaid, my ma's SS got cut a bunch, groceries are WAY high, pot taxes just went up 15%, gas is way up --- inflation continues.

I just dont see a way that we can afford to stay -- even if I was lucky enough to find a job I would have to go through great lengths to get to!! BTW you really looking for a secluded place message me -- we uhh gotta sell

Really a sad situation!! I relate strongly to @Flynnal and what he had to say .... similar position I think

 

[Leprechaun]

Not insane enough to make a person who was a non-violent individual throughout all his life, suddenly develop intrusive fantasies about abducting underage girls, torture them in a minivan in the most gruesome ways imaginable, kill them because that is the only way he can get his rocks off for some weird, obscure reason, and then somehow lose 80% of his murder related memories including what happened to the tapes he recorded the killings on. No, I'm sorry but that is not "culture" my friend, that is something entirely different, something very intentionally done to these people and something we are not told about. Instead we get this nonsensical bullshit fairytale hogwash about what SKs are. Trust me, read the book with an open and unprejudiced mind and I guarantee you will see this topic from a totally different perspective. I used to think like you...

EDIT:
read the transcript of the one audio recording the feds found in his van. There is an unidentified third person who is obviously giving the killer post-hypnotic instructions of what to do and how to FEEL about what he does.

What's the source of this? I did some quick searching and there is nothing out there which would indicate this is a thing...

Having a daughter and reading what happened made my soul sink

 

[fuckabout89]

What's the source of this? I did some quick searching and there is nothing out there which would indicate this is a thing...

Having a daughter and reading what happened made my soul sink

What's the source of this? I did some quick searching and there is nothing out there which would indicate this is a thing...

Having a daughter and reading what happened made my soul sink

Watch videos on Robert Duncan he explains it you're not gonna get any mainstream sources telling you its real they'll deny it. US government has a very long history of doing extremely sickening experiments on people all in the name of war on communism or terror.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

What's the source of this? I did some quick searching and there is nothing out there which would indicate this is a thing...

Having a daughter and reading what happened made my soul sink

I was wondering the same thing -- the link just seems to be the same screenshot?

^That video is going to provide me the full backstory for the text messages? ( I believe, excuse me if I did not recall - ftr I do that alot. let the record show)
Court Transcript screenshot? -- Okay there should be some evidence to back that up; much better than a text message screenshot!

Or that video is going to prove they have the technology to accomplish such things? The latter I am on board with the former I would like to see where the hell came from as well....

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

It was my father who was growing technically but the circumstances leading to them getting the knowledge made it quite obvious that I was at least aware of the situation.

I know what you mean here. When they arrested me, they arrested my boyfriend at the time too, just because he lived with me & had some knowledge of it. I'm surprised they didn't arrest my fuckin' mom (who was in her late 50's/early 60s at the time). They did put a gun in her face once, but that's another story & it's a long one.

At that time I believe I was 17 or had just turned 18 -- they did not arrest me that night and waited about another 4 months! (Idk why couple theories 1. Figure id go right back to w/e they suspected me of and gather more evidence 2. to make me look like I snitched. 3. to wait until I was 18 to make sure when they arrested me I had no minor privelages

They arrested me the first night. But they offered me a deal, where if I "snitched", I could get charges dropped. I certainly wasn't gonna be a fuckin' snitch though, but I knew tax time was coming up in a month or so & I'd have 500 bucks to bail myself, which I didn't have the night they arrested me.
They told me all I had to do was go around & find people who either wanted to buy drugs or were selling them & if I didn't find anything, all I had to do was text them once a week & say "I didn't find anything yet". When I heard that part, I was like "sure, I'll do it!".

So what I actually did, was just told them "I didn't find anything yet" for a couple weeks & once I got my tax money back, I stopped texting them at all & of course they came back & arrested me. But then I was able to turn around & use that tax money to bail myself out.

Took me 10 years to pay off my court costs & fines too. It was awful.

Ended up smoking all kinds of synthetic cannabinoids during my year of probation during that time. Smoked so many different kinds, some waaay stronger than normal weed. So strong that after it was over & I was able to go back to smoking regular weed, my tolerance was so high that I couldn't really feel weed for a month or two. Who knows what all was in those synthetic drugs either. This was back in 2012, so it was before they banned it all.

I hear you I imagine we are the same age and I dumped my FB account a couple years ago --- kept getting hacked. Maliciously, found a message from "Me" to the local hospital saying I was having a nervous breakdown and to send someone!! So that had to go and I had to inform people I would NEVER be FACEBOOKING IN A SERIOUS SITUATION! ( That feels 'gang stalking' adjacent at least and I did not like it )

That would have freaked me the hell out!
Yeah fuck facebook!

Well I'm almost 40, so I dunno what age you are. My birthday is in a couple days actually. Gonna be 38.

I have lived the last 8 years or so in total seclusion. We literally moved out to a little place with 40 acres where we are the only people on the street, gotta turn off the highway and drive like a full mile to get to the house down a dirt road than down a long driveway. (Want horsegates but they SURPRISINGLY EXPENSIVE, shit I thought I could find some old ones laying around!)

Seclusion was the goal and I succeeded brilliantly -- After 9-10 years it is gets pretty boring. It is peaceful and in some of the most beautiful nature you could imagine.

Unfortunately since we got our dear leader the cost of living has became too high. Lost medicaid, my ma's SS got cut a bunch, groceries are WAY high, pot taxes just went up 15%, gas is way up --- inflation continues.

I just dont see a way that we can afford to stay -- even if I was lucky enough to find a job I would have to go through great lengths to get to!! BTW you really looking for a secluded place message me -- we uhh gotta sell

I would LOVE to live out in the country!!!
I'm currently living in a city & I fucking can't stand it! It is convenient having everything around me though, like stores & clinics & shit. But man do I miss nature. I grew up in Alabama & Southwest Wisconsin (very beautiful area full of valleys, rivers, lush forests, caves, etc..). I no longer feel connected to nature at all. And where I live, even if I left the city, the most "nature" you're gonna get around here is corn fields, which aren't exactly a fun time. lol

I been trying to convince my partner that we should move but he doesn't wanna deal with the hassle. I could never afford to buy a place of my own. Shit I can't afford anything anymore. Especially with inflation & prices being nuts. I put 20 bucks in my gas tank the other day. It took me from a quarter of a tank to a little under half a tank. Which just blew my fuckin' mind! Normally, 20 bucks would take me from a quarter of a tank to at least 3 quarters of a tank, not just half a tank. I need to get a bunch of maintenance done of my car. No idea how the fuck I'm gonna afford to do that.

No sign of anything getting better either. I give up on people these days too. I feel like I've done everything I wanted (or could afford to do) in my life & dying actually sounds like it'll be a relief when it happens. I'm no longer afraid of death. Just afraid of getting old, feeling miserable, bored or getting severely sick & suffering even further. Once I'm gone, everyone else can deal with this shitty ass hypocritical & retarded world, i'll be dead lol

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Good move buying time till you could bail out!! That is pretty slick.... Yea I ended up smoking some spice gold during that period alright.

Haha I will be 38 in a month we are pretty even there -- yea that did freak me out quite a bit and I ditched my fb when I turned 35 -- more like 36 after gathering phone #'s of the few ppl I cared to stay in contact with.

I was kind of well practiced by the point they came in and told them "Anything you find in the house is mine" --- When they finished they asked me "If I wanted a way out of this" --- "Out of Marijuana possession; really? No thanks see ya in 6 months after probation" -- One sentence too many..... Than the guy left his card anyways.

I gave it to my mom as a personal complaint line -- I can just see the first couple times seeing my home # and thinking "Oh hes gunna snitch" than picking up "How dare you accuse my son of being a drug dealer and come into our house etc"

They did the same shit to my buddy who was selling coke (The not arrest on the same day thing) and he kept thinking 'they forgot about my case completely' -- THAT DOESNT HAPPEN MAN THEY COMIN BACK.

They told me all I had to do was go around & find people who either wanted to buy drugs or were selling them & if I didn't find anything, all I had to do was text them once a week & say "I didn't find anything yet". When I heard that part, I was like "sure, I'll do it!".

So what I actually did, was just told them "I didn't find anything yet" for a couple weeks & once I got my tax money back, I stopped texting them at all & of course they came back & arrested me. But then I was able to turn around & use that tax money to bail myself out.

Took me 10 years to pay off my court costs & fines too. It was awful.

Gotta say I can't blame your partner too much -- these area's are tough and eat at you constantly. Just NO CONVENIENCES. But better than being chased around constantly!

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Haha I will be 38 in a month we are pretty even there

Well I'll be damned! Hell yeah man! You were spot on then! haha I guess the "88" in our usernames kinda gives it away as well, but I'm a bit of a tard & didn't even realize you had it in your username either. Also forgot for a minute that I even had 88 in my name as well. lmao

I was completely immobilized last week with the worst headache (migraine?) of my life. Came with these twinges of a weird light headedness too. But different than the light headedness you get when you stand up too fast. Not like the"seeing stars/everything going black", but more like on a sudden onset intense vertigo or feeling like I was just gonna keel over and die. And from last Monday til Wednesday earlier this week, the sides of my head were throbbing. On Easter I had trouble even recalling words or articulating myself.

I'm thinking it was either a severe migraine or possibly even an inner ear infection (from my dumbass inhaling tons of steaming tap water for dry sinuses). Either way, my mind's been a bit foggy ever since.

I gave it to my mom as a personal complaint line -- I can just see the first couple times seeing my home # and thinking "Oh hes gunna snitch" than picking up "How dare you accuse my son of being a drug dealer and come into our house etc"

Lol Good deal man! Fuck snitches! It's a long story, but it was my own weed dealer at the that snitched on me. He had gotten some meth charges that I knew nothing about. And he was a Mexican guy who wasn't even a citizen here yet. So in order to try & get out of his meth charges, he narked on me after I trusted him enough to show him my pot plants I was growing at the time.

Dude ended up getting charged & deported anyway. Fucker deserved it lol I trusted the dude & he totally broke that trust. That's one rule of dealing or using drugs, if you want respect & trust, then your shit is your shit. You get busted, it's on your own ass. You never rat out your friends or anyone. Good way to get yourself killed too! I've had friends get busted with shit from me before & it was like a test of their trust seeing how they'd react to it. And my closest friend took her responsibility for it & kept my ass out of it. That's how it should be!

Gotta say I can't blame your partner too much -- these area's are tough and eat at you constantly. Just NO CONVENIENCES. But better than being chased around constantly!

Quick story, but my partner got a new car. And one day he went into the headshop to get cigs & I sat out in the car with it running & unlocked.
And some dude came up & started standing by the driverside door & trying to to look inside the car. The windows were a bit tinted so he didn't see me sitting there quite yet. And I kid you not, this dude looked like he was ready to jump in the car & take off with it.

And then he must've eventually seen me, but instead of being detoured, he just started looking in the back drivers side door window, like he was gonna snatch something from the backseat. Thankfully the bf came out & scared the guy & he jumped on a bike & took off. But I sat there in that moment thinking "damn, am I gonna have to fight off this dude trying to steal this car on an otherwise normal Friday afternoon?"

So many fuckin' crazy ass people in the city. lol I got story after story of just the weirdest & rudest fuckin' people I've met since living in the city the past 5 years. It's nuts.

Some one mentioned X-files on here. Been binge watching all of those to keep myself busy & sane. So fuckin' bored & tired of living life on repeat every day. My favorite episodes are the monster/cryptid/creature ones though. I've always loved that kind of stuff since I was a kid. I've had paranormal experiences in my lifetime (with witnesses, so I know I wasn't crazy), so I have an open mind to weird stuff.

Cryptids & "gangstalking" have something in common though. There's gonna be tons & tons of fakes, hoaxes, frauds, attention seekers, etc..
But there will always be that small percentage of people who are telling the truth or believe whatever they saw or what happened to them. Or that just can't be explained away by with any logic we possess currently.

Also binge watched the Tales From The Crypt series, all 7 of them. Use to be my favorite show as a youngin' in the 90's. Can't believe my mom let me watch it though with all the sex scenes in every damn episode. lol But I don't think I ever even noticed it as a kid, cause I just liked watching for the Crypt Keeper, the monsters & zombies & stuff like that. Man I miss being a kid in the early 90's.

 

[fuckabout89]

Well I'll be damned! Hell yeah man! You were spot on then! haha I guess the "88" in our usernames kinda gives it away as well, but I'm a bit of a tard & didn't even realize you had it in your username either. Also forgot for a minute that I even had 88 in my name as well. lmao

I was completely immobilized last week with the worst headache (migraine?) of my life. Came with these twinges of a weird light headedness too. But different than the light headedness you get when you stand up too fast. Not like the"seeing stars/everything going black", but more like on a sudden onset intense vertigo or feeling like I was just gonna keel over and die. And from last Monday til Wednesday earlier this week, the sides of my head were throbbing. On Easter I had trouble even recalling words or articulating myself.

I'm thinking it was either a severe migraine or possibly even an inner ear infection (from my dumbass inhaling tons of steaming tap water for dry sinuses). Either way, my mind's been a bit foggy ever since.


Lol Good deal man! Fuck snitches! It's a long story, but it was my own weed dealer at the that snitched on me. He had gotten some meth charges that I knew nothing about. And he was a Mexican guy who wasn't even a citizen here yet. So in order to try & get out of his meth charges, he narked on me after I trusted him enough to show him my pot plants I was growing at the time.

Dude ended up getting charged & deported anyway. Fucker deserved it lol I trusted the dude & he totally broke that trust. That's one rule of dealing or using drugs, if you want respect & trust, then your shit is your shit. You get busted, it's on your own ass. You never rat out your friends or anyone. Good way to get yourself killed too! I've had friends get busted with shit from me before & it was like a test of their trust seeing how they'd react to it. And my closest friend took her responsibility for it & kept my ass out of it. That's how it should be!



Quick story, but my partner got a new car. And one day he went into the headshop to get cigs & I sat out in the car with it running & unlocked.
And some dude came up & started standing by the driverside door & trying to to look inside the car. The windows were a bit tinted so he didn't see me sitting there quite yet. And I kid you not, this dude looked like he was ready to jump in the car & take off with it.

And then he must've eventually seen me, but instead of being detoured, he just started looking in the back drivers side door window, like he was gonna snatch something from the backseat. Thankfully the bf came out & scared the guy & he jumped on a bike & took off. But I sat there in that moment thinking "damn, am I gonna have to fight off this dude trying to steal this car on an otherwise normal Friday afternoon?"

So many fuckin' crazy ass people in the city. lol I got story after story of just the weirdest & rudest fuckin' people I've met since living in the city the past 5 years. It's nuts.

Some one mentioned X-files on here. Been binge watching all of those to keep myself busy & sane. So fuckin' bored & tired of living life on repeat every day. My favorite episodes are the monster/cryptid/creature ones though. I've always loved that kind of stuff since I was a kid. I've had paranormal experiences in my lifetime (with witnesses, so I know I wasn't crazy), so I have an open mind to weird stuff.

Cryptids & "gangstalking" have something in common though. There's gonna be tons & tons of fakes, hoaxes, frauds, attention seekers, etc..
But there will always be that small percentage of people who are telling the truth or believe whatever they saw or what happened to them. Or that just can't be explained away by with any logic we possess currently.

Also binge watched the Tales From The Crypt series, all 7 of them. Use to be my favorite show as a youngin' in the 90's. Can't believe my mom let me watch it though with all the sex scenes in every damn episode. lol But I don't think I ever even noticed it as a kid, cause I just liked watching for the Crypt Keeper, the monsters & zombies & stuff like that. Man I miss being a kid in the early 90's.

You ever seen UFOs? I have.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Well I'll be damned! Hell yeah man! You were spot on then! haha I guess the "88" in our usernames kinda gives it away as well, but I'm a bit of a tard & didn't even realize you had it in your username either. Also forgot for a minute that I even had 88 in my name as well. lmao

Happy upcoming birthday -- what shall we drink to? lol

Lol Good deal man! Fuck snitches! It's a long story, but it was my own weed dealer at the that snitched on me. He had gotten some meth charges that I knew nothing about. And he was a Mexican guy who wasn't even a citizen here yet. So in order to try & get out of his meth charges, he narked on me after I trusted him enough to show him my pot plants I was growing at the time.

Duuuudde. I suspect my weed dealer a bit as well. His name did not show up in my police report. BUT HE GOT RAIDED 2 DAYS BEFORE ME - They turned up oz's of cocaine..... The next day one of my friends in the same circle got raided...... The third day it was me. On the boiler plate warrant "Cocaine" was on there -- the word marijuana was not on the search warrant AT ALL.

Than the police report was all about pot and how they sent a wired snitch over 3 times and he failed so they took the garbage and i had so many stems I had to be a dealer.....

So yea two way streets forsure.

Dude ended up getting charged & deported anyway. Fucker deserved it lol I trusted the dude & he totally broke that trust. That's one rule of dealing or using drugs, if you want respect & trust, then your shit is your shit. You get busted, it's on your own ass. You never rat out your friends or anyone. Good way to get yourself killed too! I've had friends get busted with shit from me before & it was like a test of their trust seeing how they'd react to it. And my closest friend took her responsibility for it & kept my ass out of it. That's how it should be!

I remember being like 16 getting lbs broke out and like his ex would show up.. "The fuck is this? you selling to school kids" -- hey hey hey im not going to school --- "Damn it talk to me in the other room!" -- Guy gives me a dirty look as hes about to get bitched at.

Yea I question the 3 day busts in a row -- feel like if they had enough to come in they woulda all on the same day.... I remember clearing out and calling another buddy that was grabbing from the same guy from an office phone and tellin him "Yup dude I got hit just like we were wondering" -- you may wanna clean up or dissapear or w/e lol.

Quick story, but my partner got a new car. And one day he went into the headshop to get cigs & I sat out in the car with it running & unlocked.
And some dude came up & started standing by the driverside door & trying to to look inside the car. The windows were a bit tinted so he didn't see me sitting there quite yet. And I kid you not, this dude looked like he was ready to jump in the car & take off with it.

And then he must've eventually seen me, but instead of being detoured, he just started looking in the back drivers side door window, like he was gonna snatch something from the backseat. Thankfully the bf came out & scared the guy & he jumped on a bike & took off. But I sat there in that moment thinking "damn, am I gonna have to fight off this dude trying to steal this car on an otherwise normal Friday afternoon?"

Damn that is wild! At the dispensary parking lot I got the door open so I can steal there wifi and some guy is screaming obscenities (I figure at someone else so I ignore it - but it continues) So I look up and the guy is looking at me sitting with the car door open.

I set the computer down and step out of the door this guy yells " I got a knife " -- but he is still like 30 yards away so I almost burst out laughing and go "Coool buddy goood for you" and he starts heading in my direction....Y elling at the top of his lungs the whole time. I got my hand in my coat just kind of amused wondering how things are gunna play out....

A dispensary worker comes out --- like appeared to be a 18 yr girl roughly, just all too eager to run up to this guy -- she gets in between us (Now it is a little worrying, I lost my clean sh...line of view) I gotta yell to her "He's got a knife...I guess" - She stops and comes back over to me and asks if I just threatened her with a knife .... No no no -- HE CLAIMS TO HAVE A KNIFE.........he was heading the other way by the time we finished.

Prolly shouldnt put the dispensary right next to the homeless shelter?? Especially with they strange no weapons policy (Which I totally follow) lol

Cryptids & "gangstalking" have something in common though. There's gonna be tons & tons of fakes, hoaxes, frauds, attention seekers, etc..
But there will always be that small percentage of people who are telling the truth or believe whatever they saw or what happened to them. Or that just can't be explained away by with any logic we possess currently.

this

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

UFO's

Have I seen things flying in the sky that I could not identify. ABSOFUCKINLUTELY.

Would I recognize half the things in the sky? Totally different question

You ever seen UFOs? I have.

Do tell us the story though!

 

[Hexenstahl]

What's the source of this?

Here you go, the entire case file in one neat pdf: https://jumpshare.com/s/1mu8ZlDV1ng4xdmmvcbw
Make sure to download it, as it will be purged in 24h.

Having a daughter and reading what happened made my soul sink

There is a small sample of the audio on YT they played during one of the court proceedings and I absolutely regret having listened to it. I was crying hearing her agony and thinking about the absolute nightmare she had to endure. I can't understand how her parents actually survived this, as in not committing suicide. If she would have been my daughter it would have completely destroyed me.

I also feel bad about the perpetrators, because they have done something they had no choice in. They were used as manchurian candidates for the political ambitions of a small class of power mad demons. You can tell Bittaker and Norris actually felt regret and suppressed their memories due to trauma when you read the files, because Norris immediately told the police something akin to "I am a horrible monster" when he was arrested for something not even related to the killings (almost as if his handlers put a confession program into his mind that gets triggered as soon as he gets arrested by individuals in police uniforms) and Bittaker told the police during the interview that he feels uncomfortable talking about Ledford when the cops asked him what actually happened to her and where her corpse is. Also, the fact that Norris' court ordered psychiatrist confirmed that he suffered from bouts of dissociation when he told the police or the judge (I can't quite remember to whom exactly he told this, it is all written in the case file though) that he was in an altered state of consciousness when committing the rape. Their memories about what happened also constantly changed during the trial. Bittaker first thought he, Norris and Ledford met up to simulate some sort of torture porn and make a film about it, with him giving Ledford instructions on what to say and how to do things, when to scream. Then the story changed into "I thought we were actually making love together and Ledford was enjoying it" and finally he "realized" that he actually killed her. I can imagine that is how a lot of murder mind control works. You take away a person's ethical constraints by making him believe that what is happening is either all an act, something else entirely is happening, or that the individual is doing all of this in some sort of a dream, video game, hallucination, etc. That such things are actually possible is yet again outlined in a book called "Ritual Abuse and Mind Control: the manipulation of attachment needs" by a group of psychiatrists and psychotherapists who have worked with mind control victims. All of this, combined with the audio transcript and McGowan's book, confirms to me that these two and very likely all serial killers have been MKUltra mind control victims. The official story just doesn't add up...

I did some quick searching and there is nothing out there which would indicate this is a thing...

What is it with people these days who believe that X cannot exist because it is not on the internet?! Lol. Dude, search engines, especially google are known for algorithmically censoring information that violates established views. It's not even a secret anymore. You can't seriously expect SUCH information to be easily found? The so called "audio transcripts" that google puts out have been all cooked to make it look like Norris and Bittaker were lone actors who committed their crimes out of their own volition. It's even worse than that actually: you can't even find the case files on these guys anymore on the internet! The files I have provided you have been all acquired by a FOIA request back in 2004, scanned and published on a website called skcentral.com (purged from the internet, how convenient). So the case files have never even been on the internet!

P.S.: John Norman Collins, an obvious patsy, actually proved with newspaper articles after his incarceration that killings were still happening in the area where he supposedly committed the murders. How is this possible? Here is an interesting channel for you to watch that has taken information out of Programmed To Kill: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ZzqkVkoLloK1
I hope this clears up your scepticism regarding this whole topic about which we have been lied to so much over the decades...

P.P.S.: there is also a true crime podcast out there where they interviewed a childhood friend of Ledford and she doesn't buy the official story either. I think the interview can be even found on the channel I linked to.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

You ever seen UFOs? I have.

I've seen some things, but I can't definitively say they were UFO's in the "alien" sense. They were UFO's to me because I had never seen them before & had no idea what it was.

Pretty short stories though. In 2019, me & my mom were sitting on our porch, probably around midnight-ish, smoking cigarettes. We had a nice big view of the sky. To our right was the south, to the left the north. We were facing East, with west behind us. And I noticed what looked like a stationary star off to my far right. I stared at it & it seemed to be getting brighter & brighter. So I mentioned something to my mom and pointed at it & as soon as I did that, it dimmed & started flying off to the north. It crossed the entire sky in less than a couple seconds. No blinking, just a dim white light, almost like a moving star (no, not a shooting star, I've seen plenty of those in my lifetime). When it made all the way to the north side (so the far left of our vision & the sky), it disappeared for a second, then re-appeared further below where it disappeared. It made some kind of zig zag & then was out of sight.

No idea what it was. Made no noise. Didn't blink. Didn't have any FFA flashing lights or anything. And right after it was gone for good, a helicopter or really loud plane came out of the eastern sky & headed the same exact direction.

Was it explainable phenomenon? Maybe. But it was the first time I'd seen anything like that in my lifetime. This was in a small town in Iowa, btw.

In 2021, I saw pretty much the same thing, except there was like 3-4 of them this time. It was a clear night & they were flying around right above my head. In between all the stars. No blinking, no sound. Nothing. The best way I can describe their movement was like watching those little ghost things on Pac-man that Pac-man eats. Except they were moving a lot quicker, but they were making right-angle turns & everything.

And then in 2023, now living in the city, I walked out onto my porch one afternoon in the summer & there was what looked like a glowing white ball just hovering over our apt. There weren't any stars out yet or anything & it was low enough in the air that I could see the sheen & surface of it. Looked like a white beachball just suspended in mid-air, not moving. I took pictures of it, I still have them but to anyone looking at it, it just looks like a bright star in the sky. So the camera couldn't capture it the way I was seeing it with my eyes. After watching it for about 10 minutes, I went inside for a minute & went back out & it was completely gone. There wasn't a cloud or anything in the sky either, so I dunno how it could've moved away so fast without being seen anymore.

I asked around on Reddit & checked the news, everything. I only found a couple other people on Reddit who claimed to have seen it as well & were wondering what it was. But other than that, I couldn't find shit. A few months later, I saw a news cast from a city about an hour and a half a way & they mentioned that an experimental weather balloon got tested over my city a few months before. So I chalked it up to that, even though it looked like a solid white ball & not a balloon with strings like a weather balloon.

Apparently I saw the same thing hovering over our apartment again the following summer. Although my recollection of this 2nd time is really fuzzy. I only remembered it because I came across the pictures I took of it the 2nd time in my phones camera roll. But I can't remember the day or much about that 2nd time like I did that first time I saw it.

But other than that, I haven't seen any other UFO's that I'm aware of it. I did have a sleep paralysis episode when I was 16 where I woke up to 3 holographic grey aliens standing around me. But that's another story. I've had sleep paralysis dozens & dozens of times, so I've always been able to chalk it up to an extremely vivid sleep paralysis episode. Although I've never hallucinated grey aliens like that again or anything that vivid. My sleep paralysis always seemed to be just feeling like something creepy was just beyond my sight & being terrified of the paralysis. But I've never seen aliens like that again.

What happened in your experience(s)?

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Duuuudde. I suspect my weed dealer a bit as well. His name did not show up in my police report. BUT HE GOT RAIDED 2 DAYS BEFORE ME - They turned up oz's of cocaine..... The next day one of my friends in the same circle got raided...... The third day it was me. On the boiler plate warrant "Cocaine" was on there -- the word marijuana was not on the search warrant AT ALL.

I just KNEW it was my weed dealer. Because the day before I got busted, he showed up at my house, gave me a free quarter & told me to pay him later. And then asked if he could see me plants.. Which he had just seen a few days before & they were just babies. So it's not like they had changed at all. I didn't know what to think though, so I showed him them again & then he left. And the very next day the cops showed up saying they had evidence I was growing weed in the house.

So I'm positive the mother fucker wore a wire on me & then came inside & said "can I see your weed plants", so it would be heard on the wire.
Plus I got charged with possession for that "free weed" he gave me, almost like either he or the cops wanted to plant (pun not intended) on me, so that I'd get more charges.

Damn that is wild! At the dispensary parking lot I got the door open so I can steal there wifi and some guy is screaming obscenities (I figure at someone else so I ignore it - but it continues) So I look up and the guy is looking at me sitting with the car door open.

I set the computer down and step out of the door this guy yells " I got a knife " -- but he is still like 30 yards away so I almost burst out laughing and go "Coool buddy goood for you" and he starts heading in my direction....Y elling at the top of his lungs the whole time. I got my hand in my coat just kind of amused wondering how things are gunna play out....

A dispensary worker comes out --- like appeared to be a 18 yr girl roughly, just all too eager to run up to this guy -- she gets in between us (Now it is a little worrying, I lost my clean sh...line of view) I gotta yell to her "He's got a knife...I guess" - She stops and comes back over to me and asks if I just threatened her with a knife .... No no no -- HE CLAIMS TO HAVE A KNIFE.........he was heading the other way by the time we finished.

Prolly shouldnt put the dispensary right next to the homeless shelter?? Especially with they strange no weapons policy (Which I totally follow) lol

Man people are fuckin' crazy!! Glad nothing serious came out of that though!

I had some "tough guys" once trap me in my car. I accidentally cut them off on a side street that I was trying to park on. And once I parked, they pulled up alongside my drivers side door, so that I couldn't get out. And then rolled down their windows & started asking me if I was retarded & all this kinds of shit. I just sat there & didn't say anything because I felt like they were waiting for me to escalate shit (and who knows, pull out a gun? wouldn't be surprising in America). Fuckin' people man.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I have had a couple -- the most involved / detailed one I was literally there for at the time and saw nothing.

Walkin on a beach about 16-17 yrs old and looked up and saw a triangle shaped thing --- way up there, tough to tell it was closer than stars. But it would zip around than stop, than zip back in a different direction.... I am not a math expert but the speeds and distances I would imagine it was traveling would not track with the 'stopping on a dime' than zipping back in the other direction. --- Than again what do I know about flying things.

Once I was sleeping and I heard a scared "My name" --- "We aren't alone in here"...... I didn't even roll out of bed im thinking there is a deer or bear or something on the lawn.... The person continues, eventually I get out of bed....

According to them there was a whole like light sensation going on that I could not see and I had just missed some telepathy --- some of the things they expressed to the person, though fairly vague were accurate.

I dont got much on UFO's personal experience wise.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Once I was sleeping and I heard a scared "My name" --- "We aren't alone in here"

This happened to me when I was younger too. Around 12 or 13.
I was sleeping in the living room, pitch black. My mom & step dad were sleeping in their bedroom.
And I heard some one say my name clear as day. Scared the livng shit out of me & I went & woke up my parents.

Had several paranormal experiences in that house actually. Honestly, I think I've had more "ghostly" experiences than I have with UFOs.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I just KNEW it was my weed dealer. Because the day before I got busted, he showed up at my house, gave me a free quarter & told me to pay him later. And then asked if he could see me plants.. Which he had just seen a few days before & they were just babies. So it's not like they had changed at all. I didn't know what to think though, so I showed him them again & then he left. And the very next day the cops showed up saying they had evidence I was growing weed in the house.

So I'm positive the mother fucker wore a wire on me & then came inside & said "can I see your weed plants", so it would be heard on the wire.
Plus I got charged with possession for that "free weed" he gave me, almost like either he or the cops wanted to plant (pun not intended) on me, so that I'd get more charges.

Man people are fuckin' crazy!! Glad nothing serious came out of that though!

I had some "tough guys" once trap me in my car. I accidentally cut them off on a side street that I was trying to park on. And once I parked, they pulled up alongside my drivers side door, so that I couldn't get out. And then rolled down their windows & started asking me if I was retarded & all this kinds of shit. I just sat there & didn't say anything because I felt like they were waiting for me to escalate shit (and who knows, pull out a gun? wouldn't be surprising in America). Fuckin' people man.

Oh yea he was wired up forsure --- The thing that pissed me off is the sent there wired C.I in 3 times (I believe the maximum they cand send one person in wired with no evidence to pursue) and three times I told him I dont sell pot kick rocks man...

than they took my garbage and that was somehow enough for a search warrant? Fckin america.

Dammn that is some serious road rage! Sounds like they wanted to fuck with ya and cutting them off was good enough reason. Good job not escalating.

I use to frequent detroit and I remember a buddy brought his gf down there once and they got robbed and the car stolen -- i never quit clowning him..... So they stuck up the car and these two ma'fuckers started literally crying and the guy had to put the gun back away and calm them down WHILE robbing them.. "Noone is gunna die just quit making a scene --- leave your shit and hop out of the car" -- I can just picture them screaming and weeping and making a scene lol