Misc Gang stalking

[floatingaround]

and I am not doing anything illegal and just taking prescribed pain killers so there is no reason for me to be watched.

You have literally just answered your own question through a logical way of thinking... But you will be back online tonight telling strangers on the internet your still being watched.

Tbh I think its sad your not taking this seriously. Instead of speaking to real medical professionals in life who have experience with cases like yours, your wasting and potentially further worsening your condition by asking the internet.

I'm pretty sick of seeing the post pop up, im sure many others are thinking wtf too... instead of blaming the world why don't you take ownership and properly address your issues ??

 

[anonymouse77]

You have literally just answered your own question through a logical way of thinking... But you will be back online tonight telling strangers on the internet your still being watched.

Tbh I think its sad your not taking this seriously. Instead of speaking to real medical professionals in life who have experience with cases like yours, your wasting and potentially further worsening your condition by asking the internet.

I'm pretty sick of seeing the post pop up, im sure many others are thinking wtf too... instead of blaming the world why don't you take ownership and properly address your issues ??

It's something I want to bring awareness to and feel more comfortable talking about it anonymously. If you don't like what you read then move on. No need to be so triggered.

 

[tryptakid]

It's something I want to bring awareness to and feel more comfortable talking about it anonymously. If you don't like what you read then move on. No need to be so triggered.

Part of the reason that people who have lived experience with psychosis may react to you putting your thoughts out there in this way might say stuff like this

You have literally just answered your own question through a logical way of thinking... But you will be back online tonight telling strangers on the internet your still being watched.

Tbh I think its sad your not taking this seriously. Instead of speaking to real medical professionals in life who have experience with cases like yours, your wasting and potentially further worsening your condition by asking the internet.

I'm pretty sick of seeing the post pop up, im sure many others are thinking wtf too... instead of blaming the world why don't you take ownership and properly address your issues ??

Is because psychosis spreads like a social contagion. All it takes for someone to start breaking from consensus thinking is forming a core belief around something that isn't true. Once that belief is established (I am being gang stalked) you develop attitudes and biases that evolve in support of maintaining that belief. Over time, all of your cognitive processes will associate random observable phenomena as part of this untrue belief system.

As time goes on, you post about it and it feels good to express yourself. It's harmless to put your thoughts out there, right?

Except, some random person comes across your thoughts, written on some forum for the sole purpose of expressing how YOU feel. They relate to that feeling, and they start questioning consensus reality - maybe I am being gang stalked as well! That would explain why I get nervous going into stores, I must be sensing that they're following me.

That person begins to build that same belief system, and perhaps they share it with their friends or family, who then become increasingly concerned about the things they are saying. Over time that person's relationships become impaired because people, in general, don't really want to hear about firmly held beliefs that they find nonsensical. The more empassioned they become as a result of not feeling 'heard' the more relationships become strained and break. This perpetuates a descent into social isolation, further increasing feelings of paranoia and panic, and impairing quality of life.

In a desperate attempt to feel heard, they begin posting their thoughts to a forum in search of someone to tell them they're not crazy, that this is real. And someone responds, which confirms this belief as being true.

And then, one day, a completely unrelated person comes across these posts, and the cycle begins anew.

I've experienced mania and psychosis. The hallmark of my experience was how rapidly people's willingness to hear you out or even be around you erodes. It's not even what you're saying - my ideas weren't particularly crazy sounding, but they were delusional in application (I wanted to raise millions of dollars to grow kratom and teach people to grow it so they could cure their opioid use disorder, and find affiliation through group horticulture, thus building positive social skills). It wasn't the ideas themselves, it was the intensity of my insistence that I needed to be heard. It consumed me, pushing people away, nearly costing me my job, and breaking established trust with a number of people. It took me years to repair those relationships, and a lot of self-reflection and willingness to listen to wise counsel. It meant going through periods of loneliness and isolation, and using that time to build acceptance and self-awareness through a recovery mindset.

Our words do not exist in a vacuum. When they are posted online, their record can travel great distances and impact the lives of others in ways we will NEVER know about. I consider this a responsibility to stand behind what I say, and I use the same username across multiple forums for this reason. My name is my name.

As a clinical professional, I would urge you to connect with someone who is trained in psychotherapy, and I would urge you to take it seriously. The outcomes for your false beliefs are not great. They are far more likely to harm you than they are to help you. Some find affiliation in close knit self-help groups around gangstalking, but it's an insular community of people who believe this is happening, there are no new ideas that can emerge to challenge something that is almost certainly, not happening to you.

WHat's the harm in giving yourself permission to believe, for a little while, that it isn't happening. GIve yourself 6 months to put this belief on the shelf, and seek therapy during that time. In 6 months, you can reflect on what it's like to not believe in this thing, and you can determine if you want to return to believing it. It would cost you nothing to attempt this, but it may improve everything if you give it a shot.

Best of luck.

 

[anonymouse77]

Part of the reason that people who have lived experience with psychosis may react to you putting your thoughts out there in this way might say stuff like this


Is because psychosis spreads like a social contagion. All it takes for someone to start breaking from consensus thinking is forming a core belief around something that isn't true. Once that belief is established (I am being gang stalked) you develop attitudes and biases that evolve in support of maintaining that belief. Over time, all of your cognitive processes will associate random observable phenomena as part of this untrue belief system.

As time goes on, you post about it and it feels good to express yourself. It's harmless to put your thoughts out there, right?

Except, some random person comes across your thoughts, written on some forum for the sole purpose of expressing how YOU feel. They relate to that feeling, and they start questioning consensus reality - maybe I am being gang stalked as well! That would explain why I get nervous going into stores, I must be sensing that they're following me.

That person begins to build that same belief system, and perhaps they share it with their friends or family, who then become increasingly concerned about the things they are saying. Over time that person's relationships become impaired because people, in general, don't really want to hear about firmly held beliefs that they find nonsensical. The more empassioned they become as a result of not feeling 'heard' the more relationships become strained and break. This perpetuates a descent into social isolation, further increasing feelings of paranoia and panic, and impairing quality of life.

In a desperate attempt to feel heard, they begin posting their thoughts to a forum in search of someone to tell them they're not crazy, that this is real. And someone responds, which confirms this belief as being true.

And then, one day, a completely unrelated person comes across these posts, and the cycle begins anew.

I've experienced mania and psychosis. The hallmark of my experience was how rapidly people's willingness to hear you out or even be around you erodes. It's not even what you're saying - my ideas weren't particularly crazy sounding, but they were delusional in application (I wanted to raise millions of dollars to grow kratom and teach people to grow it so they could cure their opioid use disorder, and find affiliation through group horticulture, thus building positive social skills). It wasn't the ideas themselves, it was the intensity of my insistence that I needed to be heard. It consumed me, pushing people away, nearly costing me my job, and breaking established trust with a number of people. It took me years to repair those relationships, and a lot of self-reflection and willingness to listen to wise counsel. It meant going through periods of loneliness and isolation, and using that time to build acceptance and self-awareness through a recovery mindset.

Our words do not exist in a vacuum. When they are posted online, their record can travel great distances and impact the lives of others in ways we will NEVER know about. I consider this a responsibility to stand behind what I say, and I use the same username across multiple forums for this reason. My name is my name.

As a clinical professional, I would urge you to connect with someone who is trained in psychotherapy, and I would urge you to take it seriously. The outcomes for your false beliefs are not great. They are far more likely to harm you than they are to help you. Some find affiliation in close knit self-help groups around gangstalking, but it's an insular community of people who believe this is happening, there are no new ideas that can emerge to challenge something that is almost certainly, not happening to you.

WHat's the harm in giving yourself permission to believe, for a little while, that it isn't happening. GIve yourself 6 months to put this belief on the shelf, and seek therapy during that time. In 6 months, you can reflect on what it's like to not believe in this thing, and you can determine if you want to return to believing it. It would cost you nothing to attempt this, but it may improve everything if you give it a shot.

Best of luck.

I appreciate your reply but I have been to pyschologists before and it hasn't helped and isn't for me. I am taking responsibility and standing by what I said. If people read my words of my experience and become delusional then it was going to happen anyway as there is much crazier stuff than what I write online. They need to take responsibility for themselves and do the research. I don't advocate doing anything violent or hurting yourself or others. I don't have any answers but I also have as much right to write of my experience as a divorcee dad with love problems does.

 

[tryptakid]

I appreciate your reply but I have been to pyschologists before and it hasn't helped and isn't for me.

Finding a therapist that is helpful is akin to buying a car. Sometimes you try one out and you think you're going to like it but it just doesn't click. Sometimes you need to drive it for a while to feel comfortable in it and bond with it. Sometimes you need to test drive other cars.

In my experience as a clinician and as a patient - people who find therapy unhelpful are very often approaching it with false expectations and an unwillingness to acknowledge that they may actually be wrong sometimes, and that the point is to dive into why we're wrong and aspire to improve. Self-awareness and self-critique are halmarks of an evolved consciousness - they are present in every major faith tradition, self-improvement technique, and recovery groups for a reason.

I am taking responsibility and standing by what I said.

You are not - you are unwilling to test to reality test and have bought into a false narrative that leaves you unwilling to accept feedback. Your defense mechanisms will calcify around this and you will suffer throughout your life as a result. You could wake up tomorrow and not be worried about being stalked, you would just have to give yourself a chance to operate from a curious perspective instead of one resigned to fear the world.

If people read my words of my experience and become delusional then it was going to happen anyway

That's not true - you're literally contradicting the previous statement - I am taking responsibility || it's not my fault - Some stranger reading your words and validating their own false fears because of what you've said, IS your fault. You will never know that person, and you will live in ignorance, but it actually is your fault. You can speak privately with like-minded folks if you want to talk about these things without being at fault for collateral impact.

as there is much crazier stuff than what I write online.

I can do this thing that's bad because other people do worse things - again, another cognitive fallacy.

They need to take responsibility for themselves and do the research.

That is exactly what I am suggesting you do, and you are unwilling to do this very thing you are suggesting.

I don't advocate doing anything violent or hurting yourself or others. I don't have any answers but I also have as much right to write of my experience as a divorcee dad with love problems does.

Rights come with responsibilities attached. You are responsible for the direct and indirect effects that your statements have. That's how this works. Have you found any examples of people whose life has improved as a result of believing in these matters?

 

[neversickanymore]

Part of the reason that people who have lived experience with psychosis may react to you putting your thoughts out there in this way might say stuff like this


Is because psychosis spreads like a social contagion. All it takes for someone to start breaking from consensus thinking is forming a core belief around something that isn't true. Once that belief is established (I am being gang stalked) you develop attitudes and biases that evolve in support of maintaining that belief. Over time, all of your cognitive processes will associate random observable phenomena as part of this untrue belief system.

As time goes on, you post about it and it feels good to express yourself. It's harmless to put your thoughts out there, right?

Except, some random person comes across your thoughts, written on some forum for the sole purpose of expressing how YOU feel. They relate to that feeling, and they start questioning consensus reality - maybe I am being gang stalked as well! That would explain why I get nervous going into stores, I must be sensing that they're following me.

That person begins to build that same belief system, and perhaps they share it with their friends or family, who then become increasingly concerned about the things they are saying. Over time that person's relationships become impaired because people, in general, don't really want to hear about firmly held beliefs that they find nonsensical. The more empassioned they become as a result of not feeling 'heard' the more relationships become strained and break. This perpetuates a descent into social isolation, further increasing feelings of paranoia and panic, and impairing quality of life.

In a desperate attempt to feel heard, they begin posting their thoughts to a forum in search of someone to tell them they're not crazy, that this is real. And someone responds, which confirms this belief as being true.

And then, one day, a completely unrelated person comes across these posts, and the cycle begins anew.

I've experienced mania and psychosis. The hallmark of my experience was how rapidly people's willingness to hear you out or even be around you erodes. It's not even what you're saying - my ideas weren't particularly crazy sounding, but they were delusional in application (I wanted to raise millions of dollars to grow kratom and teach people to grow it so they could cure their opioid use disorder, and find affiliation through group horticulture, thus building positive social skills). It wasn't the ideas themselves, it was the intensity of my insistence that I needed to be heard. It consumed me, pushing people away, nearly costing me my job, and breaking established trust with a number of people. It took me years to repair those relationships, and a lot of self-reflection and willingness to listen to wise counsel. It meant going through periods of loneliness and isolation, and using that time to build acceptance and self-awareness through a recovery mindset.

Our words do not exist in a vacuum. When they are posted online, their record can travel great distances and impact the lives of others in ways we will NEVER know about. I consider this a responsibility to stand behind what I say, and I use the same username across multiple forums for this reason. My name is my name.

As a clinical professional, I would urge you to connect with someone who is trained in psychotherapy, and I would urge you to take it seriously. The outcomes for your false beliefs are not great. They are far more likely to harm you than they are to help you. Some find affiliation in close knit self-help groups around gangstalking, but it's an insular community of people who believe this is happening, there are no new ideas that can emerge to challenge something that is almost certainly, not happening to you.

WHat's the harm in giving yourself permission to believe, for a little while, that it isn't happening. GIve yourself 6 months to put this belief on the shelf, and seek therapy during that time. In 6 months, you can reflect on what it's like to not believe in this thing, and you can determine if you want to return to believing it. It would cost you nothing to attempt this, but it may improve everything if you give it a shot.

Best of luck.

It's interesting looking at the internet "mass hysteria" explanation for the phenomenon. Having first hand experience, years of research and absolutely no psychosis its surprisingly entertaining to see how so many differing and unrelated groups have been manipulated together and how easily it is to fool both traumatized victims and highly educated people with disinformation. Traumatized victims of covert torture are highly susceptible suggested paranoia and to any suggestion that answers their questions to who, why, how etc. Highly educated professionals are even easier to manipulate as all thats needed is clear indication or suggestion of a concept or condition they have been trained to recognize, diagnose and or treat. It's like taking candy from a baby. Throw in the mix the people who are genuinely facing mental illness and you begin to see the real picture.

You have to be able to distinguish whats real and whats not or your going to be played with like a toy.

 

[tryptakid]

It's interesting looking at the internet "mass hysteria" explanation for the phenomenon. Having first hand experience, years of research and absolutely no psychosis its surprisingly entertaining to see how so many differing and unrelated groups have been manipulated together and how easily it is to fool both traumatized victims and highly educated people with disinformation. Traumatized victims of covert torture are highly susceptible to any suggestion that answers their questions to who, why, how etc. Highly educated professionals are even easier to manipulate as all thats needed is clear indication or suggestion of a concept or condition they have been trained to recognize, diagnose and or treat. It's like taking candy from a baby.

Apophenia - the tendency to observe patterns in complex data streams that appear real, while being invalid. The more educated one is, the more confident they are in their capacity to interpret data. It becomes increasingly difficult to accept that you're wrong because of that inflated, and well earned to a degree, confidence. There also seems to be a tendency amongst the over-educated to operated as if their giftedness in one area gives them authority in all areas. I saw this frequently working in health centers with physicians who have earned a position of authority while also creating blind spots in adjacent but unrelated areas.

 

[anonymouse77]

I don't have the energy to address every post attacking my comment. What responsibility do you want me to take? I said don't do anything violent or hurt anyone or yourself. This constant shaming and telling someone to take responsibility feels like an attack. It's just words and not that serious. Keep an eye out for my future posts!

 

[tryptakid]

I don't have the energy to address every post attacking my comment. What responsibility do you want me to take? I said don't do anything violent or hurt anyone or yourself. This constant shaming and telling someone to take responsibility feels like an attack. It's just words and not that serious. Keep an eye out for my future posts!

I don't want you to feel attacked - that isn't what I am trying to do, please know that. Honestly, I don't interact much with people who experience this phenomena and only know about it through my work with methamphetamine users providing therapy. My hope is that I could speak directly to you and encourage you to consider an alternative to what you currently believe, and through that, perhaps improve your life.

Tone is a tricky thing online, and emotional resonance is biased towards the person receiving rather than the person who is writing. If we were talking face to face, my tone of voice, pace, and body language would help to determine whether I was being critical or supportive. We lose that when we communicate online via text. It can be quite tricky for sure!

Based on your read of 'constant shaming', your perceived experiences could be more related to a deeply rooted complex around persecution, which could also feed into the feeling of being gang stalked. When we have complex belief systems and subsystems that are feeding into one another, it can easily lead to tendencies towards certain patterns of thinking. If you're prone to persecutory thinking, then it isn't too far of a jump to start also observing random occurrences in the world that most people actually experience each day but don't read into, which you subsequently connect to the deeply rooted feeling of being persecuted - there is greater than 0 chance that this is the core of what fuels what you describe as gang-stalking.

My sincere hope is that maybe I can give you a seed of something that can help you to overcome what seems pretty difficult to manage day-to-day. Maybe you wake up and thinking 'maybe that person online made a good point and I'll give it a shot' and then maybe you start to feel better. In the event that it's helpful, then that's a pretty cool thing for you, and maybe that lets other people see that we can overcome things like what you're describing.

I don't know, I just don't like seeing people suffer with stuff like this, and it doesn't seem like there's much of a collective solution on how to helps folks struggling with gangstalking beliefs, so I figure why not try.

Feel free to disregard everything I've said, and please know that I'm just trying to give some compassionate but firm feedback given that you posted about what you're going through and were seeking advice on the matter.

 

[crazyhairman]

In my experience most people who claim they get gang stalked are suffering from a psychotic episode. Police officers don't stalk you, they straight up arrest you. Plain and simple. Cops don't get paid to stalk people, they get paid to convict them.

I agree 100%. However have you ever lived in a small town with a over zealous police department? Myself and a couple of my friends were pulled over and searched every day we drove through this small town. They would always ask us the same questions.

Could it have been that we were troublemakers once upon a Time? Sure. Could it have also been if they were trying to incite some type of response? Could have been that they were trying to escalate things? Cops are just people. And people can do extremely cruel things.

Oh and they don't get paid to convict you of crimes. That's the courts job. They get paid to protect and serve you. And apparently harassed the s*** out of you in some cases.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

What's the pay like for gang stalking these days anyways? Need a little part time side income here as we ramp up into the holidays. Wouldn't mind some easy work on a crew just standing around and making normal faces in the direction of some tweaker then clocking out for the day

 

[kiely]

Haha right

The “gangstalking” stops when you get a job.

Thugs will rule the World.

Speaking of, I have to go make some sourdough bread. Away from the window, because I don't
even want to know. Anymore.

Make more sourdough bread ! It's healthy and it's good exercise kneading the dough.

I love it. hahaa.

What's the pay like for gang stalking these days anyways? Need a little part time side income here as we ramp up into the holidays. Wouldn't mind some easy work on a crew just standing around and making normal faces in the direction of some tweaker then clocking out for the day

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

Haha right

The “gangstalking” stops when you get a job.

Thugs will rule the World.

Speaking of, I have to go make some sourdough bread. Away from the window, because I don't
even want to know. Anymore.

Make more sourdough bread ! It's healthy and it's good exercise kneading the dough.

I love it. hahaa.

No i think you misunderstood my joke. I wasn't taking a low blow at the unemployed brother's and sisters of the world

I was saying how can I personally get hired to join a gangstalking team? Like who are these individuals? How do you apply? What's the pay rate

I was just being funny because being a gangstalker seems like an easy job

Sorry if my joke read in a way that felt like it was directed at you. I honestly opened this thread and read zero of the comments and just wanted to land a corny ass joke and dip. So I don't even know who you are sir