for those of you who dont like alcohol...

[Winterborn]

You cant honestly say that legalising drugs would be a good idea.

Do you know how many people would be drug fucked?

How little would get done?

How many more deaths/crashes e.t.c resulting form drugs over alcohol there would be?

I enjoy drugs, but Im glad there dealt with as they are.

I jsut think there needs to be a bigger focus towards getting the dealers and not the takers.

 

[tooky]

You cant honestly say that legalising drugs would be a good idea.

Yes I can. Legalising drugs would be a good idea, providing that their sale and production was regulated.

Do you know how many people would be drug fucked?

How little would get done?

What exactly do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that as soon as drugs were legal everyone would just be fucked all the time? That's rubbish.

How many more deaths/crashes e.t.c resulting form drugs over alcohol there would be?

Any kind of legalisation would have to be alongside regulation, and education, this should minimise the number of people being irresponsible with drugs. At the end of the day I can smack myself in the head with a baseball bat and suffer no legal consequences, why can't I snort a line of coke or bosh a pill?

I enjoy drugs, but Im glad there dealt with as they are.

I jsut think there needs to be a bigger focus towards getting the dealers and not the takers.

So why not destroy the black market by legalising drugs? If they are being sold and manufactured by people licensed to do so, with proper facilities etc. the dealers are all gonna be fucked because they're out of business.

/offtopic rant

 

[PGTips]

JTMarlin, you realise the alcohol content in beer is measure in mg not fluid ounces???

It would be more appropriate to measure them in grams. 1 unit of alcohol is 10ml of pure alcohol (obviously its diluted down as you say). Alcohol (ethanol) has a density of 0.9408, so drinking 20 units in a night (10 pints) you consume 20x0.9408g = 18.816g of pure alcohol. Thats certainly far and above the mg range.

Just thought I'd throw that in. I've had the same thoughts, alcohol seems to be the drug you have to consume the most physically to get an effect. 10mg of alcohol wouldn't be noticed at all.

 

[JB]

It would be more appropriate to measure them in grams. 1 unit of alcohol is 10ml of pure alcohol (obviously its diluted down as you say). Alcohol (ethanol) has a density of 0.9408, so drinking 20 units in a night (10 pints) you consume 20x0.9408g = 18.816g of pure alcohol. Thats certainly far and above the mg range.

Just thought I'd throw that in. I've had the same thoughts, alcohol seems to be the drug you have to consume the most physically to get an effect. 10mg of alcohol wouldn't be noticed at all.

Isn't one unit a glass of wine?

Two or 3 wines and I'm feeling it.

Isn't GHB in a similar dosage range also.

 

[JTMarlin]

Think about it, drugs get you high. Alcohol gets you inTOXIcated. As for legalizing drugs, anyone who says it'd make more problems is stupid. Drugs have been illegal for 90 years and I can still get them whenever and wherever I want, how has it done anything other than make overpriced and shitty drugs? Less people would do drugs, because less people could get them. Who cares more about the health and safety of their customer, a drug dealer or a liscenced pharmacist or doctor who has spend 10 years plus of their life to be certified to prescribe drugs? If people were doing pure cocaine, diamorphine, and amphetamines that cost relatively nothing, their lives would be fine. Hell, look at all the excessive "social drinkers" out there who have no problems...

 

[Hengeyokai]

Ok, intoxicated is a word. Just because you don't use it when you get high doesn't mean that when you get high you aren't intoxicated. Anything you take that makes your brain behave in ways it normally wouldn't has some kind of side effects, some really bad, some mild and hard to notice if you don't know what you are looking for.

That being said, I don't enjoy being drunk. I enjoy the taste of some alcoholic beverages, but usually don't indulge. Except for a pint of hard cider, maybe 2 or 3 times a year.... I can't say I get high all that often either, but I still use shrooms or weed every now and then and even the occasional ghb or mdma.

I don't think alcohol should be illegal because then people would drink illegal shit just to get wasted instead of having access to good wine, quality beer, spirits, ciders that they can actually drink for the taste. We'd still have the bad side but none of the good side.

The thing that annoys me about alcohol though is how people EXPECT you to drink. It's starting to be a little more accepted in my surrounding, but for years I've had to explain why I don't drink and convince people that it doesn't make me a party pooper. I'm seen as stuck up or boring because I refuse drinks. I mean, hey if you don't like me, why are you there? Just waiting for me to get drunk so you can start to appreciate me?

I also hate having to take care of drunk people. I don't want to spend my evening in the bathroom with someone who can't drink without being sick. I don't want to impose that on others, and I don't want others to impose that on me. It's just a pain. Taking care of drugged people isn't much better on the other hand.... I just think that out of respect for your their friends, one shouldn't force them to lose their time because of someone else's substance abuse.

 

[fizzygirl]

I honestly don't see any point in that, its simply drug snobbery. You don't enjoy alcohol, that's fine, but why the need to slam the users. The problem users of alcohol are the same as the problem users of any drug, they are the ignorant ones.

I firmly agree....I love alcohol, and I really can't stand weed, but each to his own and we're all fine.

i hate being around drunk people cause they never do anything. They just sit around and bitch and cry and get upset and never get off their asses

riiiiiight...we never do anything.... i've seen just as many people sitting on a couch refusing to get up and go out anywhere because they just smoked a big ol blunt as i have tired from drinking all evening.

 

[alasdairm]

riiiiiight...we never do anything.... i've seen just as many people sitting on a couch refusing to get up and go out anywhere because they just smoked a big ol blunt as i have tired from drinking all evening.

agreed. blaming "alcohol" or generalizing about (all) "drunk people" has, frankly, no value. my opinion of course.

alasdair

 

[shadystoner]

I like alcohol....but I prefer weed over drink

 

[raoulduke]

I've started to also dislike alcohol. Before I was a regular weed smoker I actually enjoyed getting drunk. Now after becoming a moderate regular even daily weed smoker I don't enjoy it anymore and don't see the point to it. The same for every other drug the is. Oxy is an exception because I did some today 25mg after a month clean, no big deal it was nice but not THAT nice. I have to keep clean for at least another 2-3months before I do it again, its really not that intense or interesting anymore even though I snorted 10mg and ate 15mg. Anyways yeah I didn't spend any money on it either so it's cool. Alcohol...in small doses (1-2beers, or a glass of wine) is like a bad tranqulizer. It's not really that calming instead more aggrivating than anything. This is for about 10 minutes before it starts to feel sloppy and relaxed in a way...Anything more than 2 drinks is stimulating or agravating like I said for longer and longer the more you drink until you get to becoming really dizzy and nausious. Besides that, I simply don't like the feeling alcohol gives me at any dose that much....sometimes it's ok in certain does but only sometimes. I think it's the weed that's causing me to dislike alcohol because their highs are really the exact opposite. Weed gives no sedation only relaxation, it gives no aggrivating feelings, and it's simply an euphoric high (weed). Alcohol is something different, it's for getting more messed up I suppose, but hey the majority of the world's population seems to like it of course except for the muslims and other people.

 

[Winterborn]

For starters I dont think most (or atleast some) of you have given alcohol a big enough go.

Half of you are speaking more shit than teachers do on drugs. Many of you can be very hypocritcal.

In my experience the only aggresive drunks are homos to begin with. Im sure they would act the same under drugs as well. And its not just aggresiveness- everything thats been said- which dosent come with alcohol- it comes from the perosn drinking.

Its not just getting drunk- its also the drinking itself that should be enjoyble. Not just the taste but also the practice itself (like injecting is for a H addict).

Unless you drink way beyond what you should, you dont get side effects.

Its legal.

Its pretty cheap (also I know those from UK might argue that).

Its a hellvalot less addictive than most drugs.

They both have a place. I think those who enjoy, and are responsible about both, get the best of both worlds.

 

[tooky]

Its ahellvalot less addictive than msot drugs.

Not really true. Alcohol is physically addictive. I'm sure many people here who have drunk heavily have suffered from the shakes (delerium tremens) after a heavy night. This is a physical withdrawl sympton from alcohol.

There are probably more people addicted to alcohol than are actually classed as alcoholics, because it is more socially acceptable, although this addiction is probably at a fairly low level and doesn't affect their day to day lives. Its controllable, mainly due to its legal status.

Drugs like marijuana and ecstacy are not physically addictive, they don't result in a physical dependence.

 

[nephil]

Not really true. Alcohol is physically addictive. I'm sure many people here who have drunk heavily have suffered from the shakes (delerium tremens) after a heavy night. This is a physical withdrawl sympton from alcohol.

There are probably more people addicted to alcohol than are actually classed as alcoholics, because it is more socially acceptable, although this addiction is probably at a fairly low level and doesn't affect their day to day lives. Its controllable, mainly due to its legal status.

Drugs like marijuana and ecstacy are not physically addictive, they don't result in a physical dependence.

you are correct...the body becomes addicted to alcohol faster than we think...exactly why people take that "hangover drink" or drink a bloody mary after a long night of bingeing

 

[phishEcLOVEr]

just wanted to make a quick comment...

I agree with many of the views about ganja being safer and less destructive than alcohol...what i wanted to comment on was on Winterborn's comment about there being more accidents if weed was legal...

First of all, the fact that weed is illegal makes it more appealing to many. It's the whole "rebel" factor. Don't forget that Marijuana is the Nation's most commonly used illicit drug. so legal or illegal...people are going to TOKE...
If the nation decided to legalize herb. It would not create this huge epidemic that many people fear. It would actually have a positive impact on the US economy and employment. Think about the tax revenues that could be generated on weed not to mention saving all the money that has been spent on Anti-marijuana propaganda. It would also open up a huge job market for the production and distribution.

The regulation process could not be all that difficult. Look at Amsterdam. Technically weed is NOT legal there just accepted but for the sake of shits and giggles lets just say it is. Weed is highly regulated and controlled there. You can't go out on the street and start puffing or you will get arrested. It set up similarly to alcohol...If a place is going to sell they have to have a permit. You can NOT drive while smoking or under the influence. etc etc etc......you get the gist.........
but i'm rambling i will talk more later.. i just wanted to make a point...

peace.

 

[Winterborn]

First of all, the fact that weed is illegal makes it more appealing to many.

Besides 14yr olds, who else does drugs to be a rebel?

so legal or illegal...people are going to TOKE

Course they are. But that dosent mean its a good idea to legalise it. I think they should de-criminalise it, yes.

Think about the tax revenues that could be generated on weed

I guess. But like the money created through tobacco and alcohol- most of the money would only be used for ad campaigns, treatment wards, awareness programs and hospitals having to deal with the problems caused by these things.

But as I said- they both have a place. Perhaps if weed was legalised (in a similar fasion to alcohol) we might see alot of problems gone.

Er im not making sense. Ill edit this once my hangover is gone

 

[tooky]

Course they are. But that dosent mean its a good idea to legalise it. I think they should de-criminalise it, yes.

I don't understand the argument that weed should be decriminalised not legalised. Decriminilisation doesn't remove any of the problems that prohibition causes, it doesn't take the industry out of the hands criminals (the big time dealers/importers) all it does is stop users from being arrested (not that this is bad). With legalisation you destroy the blackmarket, which is the cause for many of the problems associated with marijuana e.g. the gateway effect.

 

[phishEcLOVEr]

well decriminalination is the first step toward legalization. but they have to get over tht hurdle first and it hasn't proven to be easy.

Arizona along with a few others last November tried to pass a prop to decrim 2 ounces or less by just giving the offender a ticket with a fine...
None of the states had this pass.

 

[eternalcrux]

The problem with alcohol is that its SO GOD-DAMN EASY TO GET AND SO FUCKING CHEAP. See, I also was also one to hate one the alcohomahol, but when you can't find any benzos or ambien and you JUST CAN'T SLEEP, sometimes it is the only alternative.

 

[PassMeTheVicks]

i dont know...when im high, i am more productive than anything...i do things...get shit done...walk, run, snowboard, write, draw, create music, dance, think, focus, get aroused, not smoke cigs, organize, clean, talk, socialize, sleep well, drink water...etc, etc...


Excellent.

 

[michael]

I'm sure many people here who have drunk heavily have suffered from the shakes (delerium tremens) after a heavy night. This is a physical withdrawl sympton from alcohol.

this is simply not true. delerium tremens are not the shakes that many people are acquainted with. what most people think of as the shakes is generally caused by lack of vitamin b in their diety (alcohol inhibits the absorbtion of b vitamins). DTs are FAR FAR FAR more severe, and generally speaking only the worst drunks will come anywhere close to experiencing them, and it takes a LONG time of constant drinking to get to that point.

here is some good info on DT.